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Posted by shealagh cynfal-wells at 13/06/2005 18:04
Hi! I am a local artist living in Goole and am researching the folk history of the town. I am very interested in Richard Cooper and am a little surprised that he is not listed here as from what I can gather he was a founding father of the town. Very little seems to have been written about him and although he had two businesses and built two streets which where named after him, he seems to have been forgotten from all historic reference about the town. The folk reference is that he began as a foundry worker and then went on to own his own ironmongers and foundry works called pheonix. If anyone has any information on this enigmatic figure at all I would be very grateful to receive it
Posted by caroline at 12/07/2005 23:16
hi there is it richard cooper st that you are looking for info on such a sad loss that east riding do not want this street
Posted by pedro at 10/03/2006 13:54
Took a nostalgic walk around Richard Cooper and Phoenix St as I was born in Phoenix St moved into R.C st until 1953.Sorry to hear the council intends demolishing these properties.I well remember as a child hundreds of bats flitting around in the night sky.So my walk was in the late evening during the summer of 2005.Low and behold what do I see bats I wondered where are they residing.I understand as protected species these also have to be rehoused.Have the council considered this or are they intending to bulldoze the lot just a thought.:)
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 10/03/2006 13:56
Would Pedro like to provide more information on his family and their time in Richard Cooper Street, for purpose of supporting Goole
Action Group wish for regeneration through renovation of this area?
Please contact webmaster at Goole on Web.
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 10/03/2006 14:29
Bats being checked out right away.
Your tip a good one.
Hope you will get back on your family connection as well.
Posted by pedro at 10/03/2006 22:11
Born phoenix st 1936 at No45 moved to No39 richard cooper st about 1940 until1945 then No31 until 1953.Mrs Gleadow had the corner shop at carlisle st end and mrs steele had the cornershop at the opposite end towards hook rd.Richies bakery and shop halfway down the street.holmes fish shop later reopened by gouldens was on the right twards hook Rd.The river bank was in those days dotted with small boats used for salmon fishing.of which my father had one along with Oldriges-cooledges -cawthornes-and many others.A right of way from phoenix st thro to marshfield road was thro what we used to call the arch(still wonder how this got closed)Herons mill on hook road employed most of the local girls along with ritchies bakery.there was in those days quite afew buisness people in the area.Including Frank Hoodless barge owner.Frank Hall barge owner and of course Sam Cross stevedore services who incidentally owned the only car in Richard Cooper St.Most of the familys had allotments on the now kingsway school(of which dig for victory was the key word during the war years)we had royal naval personel Sam Whitely went down with HMS Hood god rest his soul.My Uncle Dick Cawthorne returned home from the russian convoys and lived in Fleamans buildings backing on to RC street now part of shuffleton mill new houses.Merchant navy personel Herbert Marshall Buried at Tenoozen lock Holland.Fred Grice Donkeyman on the SS Hebble lived in RC Street.Steve Appleyard phoenix St fireman on the lanky boats Mr Porter (wiggy for obvious reasons) chief steward on the lanky boats and numerous others.inc myself ahh happy days.
Posted by pedro at 10/03/2006 22:40
Just a thought as the action group for Richard Cooper and PhoenixStreets got the local busness men who were born in Phoenix St on board.Charles Oldridge of Oldridge construction Born in Phoenix St along With John McGrory both Prominant Buisnessmen hope these guys are not ashamed of their lowly roots:)
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 12/03/2006 12:31
Pedro
John McG played hard to get when approached in earliest days of Goole Action. Where is Charlie Oldridge now though?
Can you bend their ears any better? Methinks our John is/was too close to local business and its links with Goole Dev. Trust/East Riding to dirty his hands with little folk.

And do give me your family name please, for our listings. See genealogy postings.

Treasurer
Posted by pedro at 12/03/2006 14:38
J Mcgrory born in phoenix St RMS shipping Stanhope St
C Oldridge Oldridge construction born Phoenix St Owns half the pubs in goole mcintosh-steam packet-vermuyden -dock tavern-
mariners arms (yet to open soon) ferry boat-dintint dockers-royal-and some in rawcliffe bought bert timms house at airmyn this is his present residence.I still have VG street party celebrations on photos 1945 with all these raggy a**e kids on I never forgot my lowly backgrowns even after making my first million:)
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 12/03/2006 16:09
OK Charlie O residence noted - will try and get his ear unless you can get to him faster than us.
But you are ? Do I guess at Cawthorne?

On Sam Whiteley, Hood casualty. He does not appear on Hood listings of crew. Can you add more detail to his service etc. please.
Posted by pedro at 12/03/2006 22:46
Sorry cant help with contacts as yet wont be back in uk until june-july.I understand the old lanky offices is now some sort of museum hoping to visit it.I also remember the adelphi works garage at the end of phoenix St housing bren gun carriers during the war.The americans were billeted in the christ church the cook house was in the grounds of the church in Victoria St next to Beecrofts corner shop.First coloured gent I ever saw the cook who used to feed us starving waifs we would stand on the church wall looking into the kitchen.And be rewarded with bowls of yummy soup etc:)Remember mum (who was a cawthorne)saying the Adelphi was at some time a theater.(long before my time)Will check with my older brother re-S Whitely cant beleive I got that wrong feel sure hes on the cenotaph in Bartholomew gardens.The mind boggles when you think of the lanky boats still sailing out of goole in the 1950s built in 1910-11-12 gosh the Titanic was on its way then.
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 13/03/2006 11:27
Pedro, you are an absolute mine of info. It also will be added to genealogy info. coming in from people who lived in the Streets.

There is a C.Whiteley on the cenotaph records this website.
Also in MI Goole Cemy: Samuel W d.1909 aged 39 and Tom W d.1917 aged 43. Any news you get will be useful on this.

The Dock G. (formerly old Goole Steam Shipping then Lanky) is a building oozing character but in need of your first million! Do tell us when you are next in UK and we can arrange something - not a museum, one day an art gallery, for now artists' studios.
Goole Action is given house room there because the owner shares our heritage of Goole interests.

Treasurer
Posted by pedro at 13/03/2006 12:24
Dont forget Alf Cook resided at No27 Richard Cooper St awarded the George Medal seargent in paratroop regiment.His Mother Minnie used to organise the yearly day trip to the seaside for us kids.Our parents would pay minnie coppers over the year until the fare was covered.Baring in mind my mothers rent for No 31 went up to 5 shillings per week (25 new pence) much to her dismay from 3 shillings and sixpence.The landlord was Randolph Hopley:)
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 14/03/2006 07:50
Pedro, I spent 3 hours on library records yesterday - 1901 census for Streets, and 1040 Yearbook for comparison of family names.

A J.S.Cook at 27 RC in 1940.

Glad you mentioned rent and landlord. I was going to ask Genealogy group for similar details so thanks for any more you can remember. Was Hopley the actual landlord, or did he just collect rents for his clients? I believe he was a letting agent too and had an accountancy office in St.John Street, near Dock Gallery.
Posted by pedro at 14/03/2006 17:00
You could be right about Hopley just collecting the rent.I am contacting my older sibling for more info.But wonder why the name WALLACE ROCKETT keeps popping into my head I feel sure it relates to some propertys in the area.Also as a child we used to watch the tugs towing up to about eight barges from Hull to York.Woods barge company from york would transport nuts and cocoa to rowntrees at york from hull docks and still manouvre the railway bridge at hook without any mishap.Whereas the ships going to and from Selby or Howdendyke invariably seem to collide with the same bridge in latter years.local bargees in phoenix st and rc Cawthornes-wood-taylor-hall-hoodlass to name a few.
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 15/03/2006 07:15
Wallace Rockett was another (housing) agent, to my knowledge. Isn't he in 1940s tel.dir. on this site? Had office in Church Street I think.


Didn't some Bargees later became river pilots - ?Eastwoods? - because they knew river like old sailing men?

Have you visited Waterways Museum, Dutch River Side?
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 15/03/2006 07:41
And did you know the Waterways vessel "SOBRIETY", an old hulk of a barge before it was resurrected, donated by John McG, established the river and canal links and led to the Museum getting its own site and building, and later extension?
Posted by pedro at 15/03/2006 15:16
I visited the museum when it first opened understand its now extended.Glad to hear J Mc donated the sobriety.After all his and C Oldridges rise to fame started on the barges.G>D Holmes was on opposite corner to the art studio you told me about. He and Charlie was on the barge SEMLOH.Holmes in reverse.The old dredger Nautilus was nothing more but a pontoon with a grab crane mounted on it.Dredging sand off the ocean lock into barges a lot of the sand was sent up the canal to Sheffield.Some locals said it was used for glass but I doubt it.wouldnt have thought it was high in Silica more likely used for moulds at the steel foundrys.ANother character I well remember Mr De-Cobain in Argyle St he would recharge the accumulators for the Radios during the war.Another barge company was Bleasedales also in church St I beleive their barge names ending in cliffe ahh happy days :)
Posted by pedro at 15/03/2006 20:30
A few more incidentals.Johnny Smithson the local chimney sweep resided at No 52 R.C street His son Sam local boxer used to fight at the drill hall(rear of catholic church Pasture RD)also at the Market hall along with Joe Carrol another well known local who had family in Phoenix St.And not forgetting a dear old couple from R.C St Mr and Mrs Ernest Smith who I believed were Gooles oldest married couple later to reside together in Boothferry House.If we needed a bottle of pop on a sunday then mrs Charlesworth would provide it she kept cases in the passage of her house in R.C St.Maybe a coincedence but the name Cooper was prominant in the street also at No33 and 41:)
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 16/03/2006 10:53
I haven't been down the cut for a long time, but there used to be some old barges moored across the water from the Waterways museum. Bleasdale I knew was Frank. He would be going to work when I was going to school. And his sister? Nellie, lived in Clifton Gardens until her death a few years ago.
Johnny Smithson used to sweep our chimneys when I was a kid.
The Coopers are still in RC Street, Barry and his wife. And Geneal. Newsgroup has contact with the Charlesworths.

But your memories are the stuff of gold. I am storing them for now, can we put them into our Streets Stories, set in context of whatever else might be offered, to write them up when we get organised, like we did our own personal Yellow House stories ?

How does that strike you? Should we be cannibalising your life?
Posted by pedro at 16/03/2006 20:45
Only to glad help.Use info as you wish before memories fade I saw one enquirey for info on Purvis potato merchant goole station yes his buisness was right next to the platform I summise the spuds came by rail.Whats more his driver was one Irvin Wilson who lived in Richard Cooper St.Other Names from Phoenix St was Hancock Phyllis married George Garner they had transport cafe in Ouse St Then opened same at Timms chemist ex shop in Aire St now a carpet shop my bro informs me.Her sister was Isobel,brother Herbert had a pony and trap he would be for hire to do local removals which in those days wasnt far i/e phoenix to richard cooper His pony would graze on the river bank and would you believe in winter he had a lean to in the back yard in phoenix St for the same horse:)
Posted by pedro at 16/03/2006 22:48
Other recolections Ted Edward steele lived next door to gouldens fish shop.His mother had the store opposite.Ted was the sawyer in the timber mill at adelphi worked for LEP transport
The big boss of LEP was Mr Studer who lived up hook RD next to the Vicarage Mrs Maud Richardson in RC St was his house cleaner.Mrs Ellis was his housekeeper.Mr Studer was swiss as where some of his employees namely a Mr Gyslinka I think he was chief accountant in the main office in Belgravia now Halifax office.Also previous to Lep taking adelphi it housed East Yorkshire Buses one driver lived in Phoenix St end house Mr Bill Campbell later British School of Motoring - to be continued :)
Posted by pedro at 17/03/2006 21:35
Previous to Ritchies the shop and bakery was Revells who also had a shop on marshfield road next to the co-op at Kingsway end.You tell me B cooper still resides in the area.His father was Joseph at No41 Brother to George Cooper at No33.Ritchies also had the Lyceum cafe next to Seltzer leather goods shop near the old goole times office Ritchies resided at the rear of the lyceum Remember Madge well his daughter she also had the Woodside cafe on Rawcliffe Rd.Ritchies van driver was a miss Woodhall she lived in either Sutton or Sotheron St
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 18/03/2006 08:30
You are a walking street directory Pedro.
Adding all this to the STREETS stuff too.
A big renovation company working in Goole believed to employ a Cooper trading as Dockside I think the name is. Were working on old Jolley's shop in Victoria Street not long back, now re-converted again for housing (flats).

We had some Riches (how is it really spelled?) memories in the Yellow House exercise we did. It all ties in, plus geneal. group info.
You humanise it with your memory for names and people in general.
Riches had a shop on Boothferry Road as well. Opposite St. John's Hospital, now Tesco site. Sally's Army occupy those Riches' premises now.

Yes, Revell, in Marshfield Rd. That's where I began this local history - with the fields of Hook - and since extended to try and give the Streets some background whatever their fate turns out to be. All this area part of same landscape originally. And ponies in back yards not so daft when cattle grazed on river shore in rural times.
Also there was a night waste collector with a horse/cart called Woodhead in the 1870s or so lived in Marshfield area, and had a stable - the land between M. Road and what eventually became P Street was used for "smallholding" you could say, gardening and so on.

Re Bill Campbell - EYMS - are you sure it was E. Yorks. bus company, not another? Also which end house in P. Street did Campbell live - near Adelphi end or the other end - and which side? I can't see into your mind's eye, you know.
Posted by probobly not east yorks at 18/03/2006 09:34
maybe got the bus company wrong we had so many incEnterprise and silver dawn.Advance. Ben sketcher.Also I think it was J woodhall who ran the hook bus he owned it lived in Axholme St ran it from accross rd from ldl in north st.Bill Campbell lived on the left going towards adelphi if it wasnt the end one it was very near,Audus lived opposite He worked at timms flour mill his wife once gave me three-pence to take him his billy can of tea to the mill.I can see the billy can now white chipped enamel the top utilised as a cup.I seem to recolect that campbells were in some way related to the Bruce!s who you have on the census returns :) keep up the good work
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 18/03/2006 09:48
Terrific. What year did you take the billy can to Timms Mill?
It is important link, in view of that demolition site and its difficulties in filling it.

Thanks for the bus details, and names too.

Bruce relatives supplied info for Yellow House too. Some still in Goole.
Posted by pedro at 18/03/2006 23:16
The tea delivery was during the warI remember the church on boothferry rd now quick fit tyres was demolished the day before this later became the co-op hall.Mr Audis grandkids were the Riseburys in RC St.I aim to print out your info i/e names and adresses my brother is 14 years older than me so I hope he will connect names etc with occupations he was also in the home guard during the war and remembers all who served in dads army
Iam presently interested in the T.Cawthorne on your register this must be family member but doesnt ring a bell with me.But he will know as the only ones I remember are Walter No 15 Rc I think he married Dora Ericson from across the road he was a bargee later river pilot sadly passed away last year rented the same house until his death. His brother was Richard lived in Fleamans Blds
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 19/03/2006 07:48
In 1901 Thomas Cawthorne, 70 Master Mariner and Sarah, his wife were at 30 RC Street. There were other seafarers' families either side of the Cawthornes - Sarah Arnold, 33 and daughter Ellen at 28 and Jane A. Cook 29 together with three children and also a Boarder Minnie Chester - both their husbands no doubt at sea on Census night.

In 1940 -
Audas, T at 54 P.St
Audas, Clara at 62 RC.St
Cawthorne, A.E. at 5 Fleemans Bdgs.,
Cawthorne W.B. at 30 P St.
Cawthorne W.C. at 30 P.St.
Risebury, D. 28 RC St.
J. Carroll at 47 P.St
C. Oldridge at 48 P.St
J.McGrory at 17 E.Parade

The fact that one of your Cawthorne family rented same house until his death makes another good story. How about giving us the life that chap lived in that house, from his first key to his last breath. This is why the Streets are so important.
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 21/03/2006 19:53
Down at Waterways today, singing praises of GOTW
and how it need to extend its links, especially the people/human links to life that was Goole's once.
Do you know the Wheldale - a barge that tipped the Tom Puddings?
Let's hear it for this benighted place, before we sink in the cut.
Posted by pedro at 21/03/2006 22:31
Never Did research my own family tree.But 1940 W.BCawthorne at 30 phoenix st was my grandfather Whittle Brown Cawthorne
and your 1901 census Thomas Cawthorne Master Mariner was my great grandfather. When you say Wheldale barge tipped puddings do you mean towed? Hoists tipped or am I missing something
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 22/03/2006 07:19
Yes, you know what's what, I mean towed. The Wheldale is now resplendent in freshly painted traditional colours, done by volunteers.

Good that you can fill out the bare details of names and addresses.
I was looking at the 1841 census at the library and there were pages of "watermen" then - Without detailed recording, I surmised that these may have been families actually living on barges. The writing is difficult and faded, but these documents, now scanned on to film, give a picture of life then.
Posted by pedro at 22/03/2006 21:10
My brother also drew my attention to the fact how many locals in both streets got married to childhood sweethearts.We also discussed employment in both sreets.We came up with Bargees- seamen and coal trimmers as most prevelent during the war years.With of course armed forces leading.
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 23/03/2006 09:34
This marriage business, people who were neighbours, do you think that was because the community of the streets did not meet people from other parts of town? Or other towns? Is that why so many are/were still resident in those streets?

What happened when the shipyard closed, and the docks shed labour and became containerised? Where did the people go, what did they do, then? If they were nearing retirement age, what did their children do when they could not follow same occupations as family always had?
Posted by Geoff Depledge at 23/03/2006 19:39
My relatives the 'Depledge's' stayed in Richard Cooper St recorded in the 1881 and 1901 census. In 81 William F and family was at schedule no. 112, Arthur R & family at schedule no. 113 and Mary D & family at schedule no. 121.(I do not know the house numbers).
In 1901Thomas & his family were at no 24 Richard Cooper St, Robert at no. 16 and my Dad Sidney's family (he wasn't born untill 1919) were at no. 20.
Samuel and his family stayed at no. 23 Phoenix St.
Posted by Geoff Depledge at 23/03/2006 19:55
I have noted reference to the Cawthorns and Marshfield Rd and add the folowing info.
The Cawthorns are related by marriage to the Depledge family (both the Cawthorns and Depledge families are from Knottingleymoving to Goole in the mid 1800's) Sara Depledge b1805 was married to Joseph Cawthorn b1805. All of the male Depledges were master mariners as eventually my Dad became (later he was a Goole Pilot).
My Dads family lived in Marshfield Rd almost opposite my Mums family who were at no. 23. They were Storr (my Gran was nee Smith) See also a note I have put on the Railways page.
My Granny and Granddad Storr were at one time the longest married couple in Goole I remember their 65th when I was a child probably about 1959 or so, Granddad died in 1961.
Posted by Geoff Depledge at 23/03/2006 20:12
More info on the Depledge Cawthorn connection in 1901 George Cawthorn Depledge lived at13 Humber St, he too was a mariner.

Somewhere flicking through the site I have seen reference to the Jackson and Austwick families of mariners. They are also related to the Depledge's and are variously beneficiaries of wills related to the ownership of sloops.
Posted by pedro at 24/03/2006 00:00
Sadly the decline of the shipyard coincided will the decline of shipping using the port.Most of the shipyard labour i/e welders-platers-plumbers etc moved on to the local power stations which were under construction at the time.Also many ex seaman
were employed in this same industry as riggers.Interesting reading about Cawthornes and Depledges.I knew many Depledges if its the same family.George and jack went to sea later worked on the same power stations.
Sadly our shipyards could not compete with foreign work practises.Goole Shipyard siren would sound at 12noon until 1pm thus the whole factory shut down for lunch.Whereas as I witnessed in Japan if one tradesman went for a coffee break even for 10mins,another guy picked up his tools the job never stopped.I once travelled home from Japan and during conversing with my fellow passenger on the plane found out he was the owner of the Rochester Shipping Co who at one time had ships built at Goole.He had just taken delivery of a new vessel jap built from ordering it to completing sea trials 18 months.He said he would have preferred it to be british built but sadly we couldnt in the UK compete.
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 24/03/2006 13:31
WHEW, there is so much out there. How come none of this history has seen the light elsewhere until now?

I knew some Marshfield residents moved from other streets, in the early days from Bridge Street area, later times from RC St.

Cawthorns and Storrs of Marshfield Road in the first 50 years or so of the street history. I did not know connection to Depledge family.

The Cawthorn(without an e) I have are Mary,widow of Fabian Rhodes C, who married George Hewson, and her brother-in-law, Joseph C, son of Captain T, who became auctioneer.

The Storrs were Sarah and Alfred, 1891ish, and family of 4 sons.

Can only say at first glance, that this town's rich heritage has to be recorded publicly, with help of all the current members of these families, so none of it disappears without trace when memories are no longer recalling it.

Am glad you mentioned sloops, too. Cos to have the family links to their vessels is a book in itself.

Shall add all this to my "drafts" until we can maybe establish homes and families "tree" over the generations.

The early engineers did their apprenticeships in the iron foundries too, linking eventually to seafaring, and shipyards of course. So to see those links following through to employment at power stations is another route through Goole's skilled past.

As Pedro says though, Japan and now China and India are doing everything far cheaper than the UK. When you mention Rochester Shipping Co., are you referring to R. in the US, or R. UK (where incidentally some of this town's early customs people were from).

Was grandfather a Ward too?

I've sailed in a wooden hulled boat down the Humber, in the dark, and round the coast to Brid. but that was a long time ago.
It does change your view of land and even amateur sailors hve to develop some of the self-resources of those seadogs.

Look forward to more of these reminiscences coming out the woodwork!
Posted by Geoff Depledge at 24/03/2006 14:50
Alfred(b1845, d1904) & Sara Storr(B1847 in Hull,d??) had 4 sons,Henry(b1866), Alfred(b1868), James(b1870). and my granddad Frank(b1873. d 1961).
The family of Frank I can trace to the present day, the others are lost to me after the 1901 census.
Frank married Annie Smith from Hunslet they had 8 children my Mum Enid(b1918) is the last surviving.
Their son Albert was landlord of a pud on the road to Old Goole, Cyril had a butchers shop, while Vera who married a Bateman had a pork butchers shop on Aire St (long demolished).

You can see the history of the Sloops owned by the Depledge family on the Goole Gen site.

How much more do you want to know, you can contact me on geoffdepledge@hotmail.com
Posted by Geoff Depledge at 24/03/2006 15:20
All of the Depledge family in Goole as of the 1901 Census derived from one Knottingley family.
John(b1807 d1881) himself a master mariner had 3 sons Samuel, Thomas & William F all of whom became master mariners.He also had 4 daughters Sarah married a John W Thompson of snaith a master mariner, Mary married a Thomas Austwick whose family became involved in ship ownership.
It was John's sister Sarah that married Joseph Cawthorn.
Posted by Geoff Depledge at 24/03/2006 16:54
I have just sent the following e-mail to the Goole Times in the hope that they can add to info about Goole residents

'I have miss-placed a news cutting which referred to my father.

My dad was called Sidney Depledge and during a bombing raid he helped save a ship in Goole docks, can you help to find this. I am trying to add info to the collation of local history on the Goole-on-the-web site'.

Cheers

Geoff Depledge
Posted by Geoff Depledge at 24/03/2006 20:50
Posted by pedro at 24/03/2006 21:34
just perusing some local shipping companys+ships.Hook steamship co(Goole and Hull steam towing)
S.S Aruba sunk by E boat1941 built as the Laura 1916
SS Kalua hook steamship co.sank by bombing off the Tyne
SS lulonga hook steamship co sunk by eboat
SS Blacktoft Weatherall SS Co built 1910 lost to eboat 1945
a lot more went on in hook than we realise.
Plus my brothers just furnished me with a list of Goole built vessels from 1938 to 1945 cripes they built over 200 vessels
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 25/03/2006 06:14
Think your alley, the alley to P St, from 1961 until the neighbours closed it off, was between 28 and 30. The odd nos. are across the road and 23 etc. at the river end.
Nursery school was in Edinburgh St., by Alex school.
But your childhood memories bring us right up to date nearly!
And having all these links to your Goole roots too.
Goole Times no longer the paper it was though.l
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 25/03/2006 06:17
Former Docks manager, George Robinson, is the shipping man, keeps online site of Goole Shipyard vessels. I was talking with him the other day. Link to him if you cant find his site, via Waterways, where he is Chairman of the project.
I told him GOTW was best site for real flavour of the place so he might read this post.
Posted by Geoff Depledge at 25/03/2006 09:54
How right you are thanks for correcting my memory the Storrs did live at no. 30
Posted by matthew at 25/03/2006 10:14
i have been looking up the depedge"s they went back to 1901 i think
Posted by pedro at 25/03/2006 14:49
Think we beat the pet monkey geoff we had jacko chained to the wringer (mangle) in richard cooper st.uncle dick in fleamans buildings brought it home from sea during the war.eventually sold to appleyards in Phoenix st.eventually sold to travelling circus camped on waste land now eatgate flats.my bro still bears the scars of a bite it gave him hence selling it my bro is now 83 yrs old.good old days lol
Posted by pedro at 25/03/2006 14:59
just a thought geoff. how about anne storr had sweet shop opposite tower theatre in carlisle st.she was bombed out of her house in boothferry rd and moved to riversdale drive about 1943
any relation?
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 25/03/2006 17:52
Pedro, wasn't that Anne Storr the other Storr family - greengrocers?
Posted by Geoff at 25/03/2006 18:36
you are absolutely correct.
The Storrs on my side originate from Leeds and moved to Goole around 1860.
In 1901 there were two Storr families in Goole the other Storrs came to Goole from Lincolnshire, Winteringham if memory serves me. The family head was Leedham Storr (b.c1830)
Posted by Geoff at 25/03/2006 18:42
I forgot to add. The grocer Storr had his shop on Carlisle st at the corner of Burlington Cresent. By coincidence my Auntie Vera Bateman (nee Storr) kept their books for years (in the days before accountant fees). Is the shop still open I seem to remember it closed.
Posted by pedro at 25/03/2006 18:58
not storr the greengrocer this anne was also known as Wilson.Incidently the grocer shop at the end of Phoenix St was Mrs Darley.The fish shop at the opposite side was Tommy Ramsker.And the sweetshop was Rollinson.Next door to Rollinsons on Kingsway there is about three bay window houses in one resided Captain Laverack.Master on AHL lanky boats .He was badly burned during the war facial scars incurred when a bus with all the crew was hit by enemy fire I seem to remember they were on the way to join a ship.I believe Capt Laverack recieved some sort of commendation.I was a member of his crew on the SS Alt in 1951 what a nice chap he was too and that says something.As most of the Captains ruled with an iron fist.We used to thro the arch into marshfield Rd to Dick Autys butcher shop most of the residents in Phoenix and RC had credit with him paying at the week-end.Unfortunately during the war years he seemed to have nothing but corned beef and sausages :)
Posted by Geoff at 25/03/2006 19:14
Thanks Pedro, I remember the name Darley now you mention it but not the other shop owners.
Capt. Laverack was well known to my dad & mum.
Did you know my Dad he had a foreign masters ticket and was relief master to Tom Collier on the Marlwood before becoming a pilot.
Posted by pedro at 25/03/2006 22:13
Yes remember your dad as a pilot also lawson-robinson and many more.all ahl master had foreign tickets and were their own pilots.pilots required for foriegn vessels and coasters like everards whartons etc.Captain Harold Lawson of riversdale drive was his own pilot he had the lancasterbrook for years,his son was a pilot with your dad his wife was a school teacher at goole modern.If the pilots left goole with a ship and nothing for return journey they had to take the train back later supplied with a mini bus.my uncle walt cawthorne took ships from goole up river to howdendyke and selby.I was a lowly A.B on the lanky boats Captain Crabtree Frank Drury and many more come to mind.The river was a cow of a trip if I was at the helm and we passed Hull we couldnt be relieved and by the time we reached Goole my arms would be aching. then drop anchor to swing alongside the jetty opposite Vic pub.if they didnt get that swing right it was onto the sandbank opposte the shipyard.many lost on that bend had to be blown up by Van-Der-Aker dutch salvage company.Also the dutch ship Nottingham loaded with evaporated milk missed the swing and turned turtle opposite the cemetry.She was refloated later after discharging the cargo with divers they used inflatable air bags and later she still carried on running to goole.The river was awash with tins of dykeland evaporated milk and still edible weeks after.I used to fish them out:)
Posted by Geoff at 25/03/2006 22:54
Posted by Geoff at 25/03/2006 23:18
Re Goole Pilots.
The pilots who took ships from Goole to Hull never had ships to bring back.
The way the tide worked made that pretty well impossible. the ships went from Goole to Hull on the rising tide and were arriving at goole as the high tide allowed vessels to leave Goole.
My Dad worked from Hull to Goole and occasionally if there were too many boats leaving he would take a ship back. More often than not he had to get the train back to Hull or you would see the pilots thumbing a lift at the end of Boothferry Rd on the main road to Hull
Posted by pedro at 25/03/2006 23:33
only two pubs in Hook Blacksmiths Arms and the Sotheren Arms
pubs exsisting in aire street from lowther bridge Lowther Hotel now closed.Royal hotel and macintosh arms still there.pubs demolished the crown in ouse st. and the Sydney hotel Aire st
Peacock modernised but not until the 1970s still open Jimmy Stanley was landlord during the war when the plane crashed on it his wife jumped from the burning building killing a soldier who tried to catch her she was a rather large lady and the soldier recieved a broken neck.Jimmy Stanley Junior her son unfortunately died in the fire age 13yrs.they managed the pub up to about 1969,Sid Raywood took it over(he was skipper at sea also)During his tenancy the peacock was completely rebuilt and still open.The Steam Packet pub was in george street now a supermarket car park
Posted by pedro at 26/03/2006 00:11
no I didnt mean bring a ship back on the same tide i meant if they had no transport back.Captain Lawson brought his ship up when they least expected him the standing joke at the time was when she dry docked her hull was shiny due to sand friction lol
Posted by pedro at 26/03/2006 00:33
I sailed with Captain Lawson on the Lancasterbrook in 1954 the mate was Monty Rhodes,Chief engineer was Mr Wilson his sons had a builders buisness their yard was at the end of axholme st.Storrs shop still at the end of burlington crescent only sells flowers I believe.I think arthur junior still has a veg shop next door to woolworth
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 27/03/2006 07:59
Being of same generation as you Pedro, and spending many days of my childhood with relatives in Riversdale, next door to Anne (Wilson) - believe she was a "femme sole" as the old legal expression termed it - and on the other side was Capt. Lawson, when the ships in the river could be seen from bedroom windows before the houses opposite were built, much of these memories I can share. And Geoff's early days in Marshfield - Joan Rollinson is still alive and lives in one of Memel Cottages.
Posted by pedro at 27/03/2006 13:34
Yes I remember when you would have had a clear view from Riversdale Drve.in fact the path from the riverbank to the houses seemed endlessI even remember potatoes growing there we would take a few and roast them on a fire of driftwood as kids we called the bankside the target for some reason,The grass would grow some 3ft high.I still have my dads salmon fishing license to fish from about the ocean lock area up to hook railway bridge.the waterways museum can have it when Im next in goole)Unlicensed fishing was poaching and carried a ten shilling fine.The guy who swung the bridge lived at Laxton and would call the police if fishermen ventured further than the bridge the last time I was in goole I met his son now aged 86 lives in the same house.still there next door to my nephew I must get his surname.And yes Anne was unmarried but what a lovely person she was.
Posted by pedro at 27/03/2006 14:12
Getting back to locals marrying in the area.Frank Hall RC St married Audry Kilding RC St.Walt Cawthorne married Dora ericson Rc St.Bill smithson 52 Rc married Sheila Wood Rc No54
Ronnie Wood her bro Married Jean Seaton RC.Paul Rice married Margaret Whitely Phoenix StSid Cooper 33Rc married the girl next door at 35(forgot her maiden name) Blackwells married Cooledges.and Taylors. Pypers married Robinson RCSt I think everyone in both streets were related in some way.
Posted by Geoff at 27/03/2006 17:41
My auntie Vera Bateman (nee Storr) lived at 6 Riversdale Dr. I believe from the day it was built. Her daughter June still lives there.
I remember the path cutting through to the River but we used to get into trouble for sneeking off there when visiting my Aunt.
In her latter years my Granny Storr stayed with my auntie.
Auntie Vera's husband was called George but he died quite young in the late 40's I believe.
Posted by jamie fox at 28/03/2006 00:27
I note on the geneology many references to Goole Cemetry monumental records. Could someone please direct me to this site is it online? Thanks jamie
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 29/03/2006 09:29
MI for Goole Cemetery not online so far as I know. Copies can be obtained by post from Boothferry Family History Society. Secretary is Margaret Howard Goole 01405 762608.
Presume you are UK based!
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 29/03/2006 09:35
Marriages! - You should know that Paul Rice could be seen the other week carrying a large cake through town. His and Margaret's big anniversary.
Shall register these family details for the Streets - thanks to your excellent powers of recall the vivid boyhood days are reminding me of the potato field and the riverbank walk from the old town library back to Riversdale. Books came in a variety of colours - brown green and red drudgy shades, carefully stacked under the watchful eye of that librarian who maintained silence in the Reading Room - was it Uriah Wood. You had to be 9 before you got a borrower's ticket of your own.
Posted by pedro at 29/03/2006 13:41
Yes the old library was then in carlisle St next to the tower Kath Myers also worked there.I remember perusing the lloyds list for info on returning troopships after the war.on which my brother was returning from the far east.aboard the Empress of canada.After they demolished the Carlise school rooms.Eddie Eastham built his furniture shop on the site now the library and Museum.
Posted by pedro at 29/03/2006 15:11
ref-Peacock
I had a word with my elder brother today he will be 85 this year
says J Stanley indeed took over the pub from storrs and was licensee all thro the war years.He took grandad(an old sailing ship mariner) in for a pint in 1946.Mrs stanley put down her knitting to pull the beer on which Grandad picked up the knitting and proceeded to knit a few rows saying I used to knit socks when at sea lol.Grandad was Whittle Brown Cawthorn.After Phoenix St he moved to Union Place now swallowed up by Tesco
Posted by Geoff at 29/03/2006 21:28
Pedro/Goole Action
have you seen my note under the Railway, do you know anything about this or where I can find info
Posted by pedro at 29/03/2006 21:43
When we lived in Richard Cooper St dad had two allotments at the end of Ainsty St (now Kingsway school).During the war years he grew vegetables.and bred rabbits(for the pot)we had our customers along hook road inc Mrs Bowles-Mrs Rushworth-and Miss Rhodes who ran a private school.Among his customers was a captain Lee I believe he was the Harbour Master in fact the house was called harbour house on Hook Rd.During all this time of wartime scarcity I never remember selling to the elderly in RC and Phoenix st but delivered free to Mrs Dixie-Gill--Smiths and many more.The Laurels house on hook road was took over for billeting soldiers this house remained empty until the 1950s when it was eventually modernised by Dr Langley who came out of Egypt because of the suez crisis.during this time I myself was at sea and Dr Langley and Dr Strachan were the shipping federation Doctors for seamen.I was on a ship Called the Lumen from Liverpool Moss tanker and Nasser gave us 24 hrs to clear the Suez canal before he blockaded the canal.Thus we were among the last convoy thro.(happy days:)
Posted by pedro at 29/03/2006 22:04
cant help with train geoff but will pick the brains of someone older.I do remember the potato merchant Pearson someone was loking for tho ran his buisness from the station his driver was one Irvine Wilson also from phoenix or RC St.also remember a train crashing the barrier gates killing a policeman and skittling a steam roller and tar boiler driven by Mr Krebs who was badly burned.At the time I was waiting for a bus to old Goole outside Powels Photographers shop in Mariners St by the North Eatern Hotel.Opposite was a garage and Seniors newsagents.Later Mr Kitwood opened his cafe on the corner.Moving there from the cafe on Goole station later having Quite a large bakery buisness in town(sorry to digress)
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 01/04/2006 09:40
Train driver - are you talking about the present station, or the one before it, in Aire Street?
Dont have any info on driver, unfortunately.
Posted by Geoff at 01/04/2006 16:55
didn't know there was a previous station I will see if my mum knows
Posted by pedro at 02/04/2006 08:35
yes see railways page the original station was alongside railway dock adjacent to st johns street
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 02/04/2006 19:49
I like the allotment stories. And who got what.
Tell me, what were/are the drawbacks to living in terraced streets.
Then and now!
Posted by pedro at 02/04/2006 23:33
Well during my time I guess the biggest drawbacks at the time were heating and light.Considering that very few houses in both streets had the luxury of electricity. my own parents had gas light right up to 1953(I had long gone by this time living in comparative luxury at sea)Over crowding was another problem as previously stated some housed two families when the elder sibling married they usually took over the front room.The majority of families were very large I knew of one family with nine children plus a married couple in the parlour(wouldnt be tolerated today)And yet remember very few complaining.During the war years the fever ambulance was a frequent caller driven by mr Spillman from Rawcliffe who took the patients to the then westfield hospital known locally as the fever hospital.A mr storr living with his mother inlaw at 29 RC mrs Houghton worked down thorne colliery and recieved his allowance of a ton of coal per month this would be tipped outside his front door due to the limited access to the rear so families in greater need never went without a coal fire.Others more wealthy just payed mr Barnard to deliver with his horse and cart stabled at the rear of the tower theater.I believe he resided in marshfield ave.After the war most of the larger families were rehoused by the council.Those who chose to remain i/e older couples and smaller families then enjoyed modernisation of most properties
Posted by pedro at 03/04/2006 23:44
Also very noticeable was when people were rehoused in the post war council houses in the western rd area the gardens were vegetable gardens not the blooming flower gardens one sees today I guess old habits die hard.Athough it didnt take long for the housewifes especially my mother to realise the bread dough would rise in the hot tank cupboard at a constant temperature.So woe betide anyone who drew hot water off during this time and lowered the temperature:)
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 04/04/2006 09:07
Before your mother had the hot tank in Western Road, did she take her bread to Riches' ovens to bake?
I know that used to happen in Ouse Street area, was it Wilson the bakery there?
I guess apart from the allotments for veg etc., the lack of green garden space in the two streets did not seem unusual at the time.
Kids would clear off and play on the riverbank and no-one else had time to sit on fancy decking!
You mention the fever hospital, Westfield? Was illness and its spread among close-packed families a regular problem?
Did anyone get infections from water or sewerage supply?
Before indoor lavs. were there outdoor ones for each home?
I am trying to get a picture of "decent" standards that today's govt. is pushing as a reason to demolish housing like these streets, despite having as many mod cons now as everywhere else. All they seem to lack is a view of greenery, but what about sounds? With all those people living in tiny homes, I guess you could not hear the neighbours above the noise of your own?
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 04/04/2006 09:16
Somewhere online, think it was bbc war stories, Barnard's son Peter writes about being bombed out of their house on Boothferry Road, and moving temporarily into M. Road, next door to a surveyor, who was Peter's guide to becoming one himself.

Some of the Barnard fields between Western Road and the riverbank - used for the horses to be put out to grass once I guess - were given planning permission for housing extension in the Goole/Hook plan, and are now filled with Peter Ward-type homes.
Posted by Geoff at 04/04/2006 18:20
talking about outside toilets I don't know when 30 Marshfield Rd was built but it must have been "posh" at the time because it had indoor toilets fro the outset.
I guess I was lucky we never had outside loos but plenty of my contempories in the early post war years did. I do remember however getting "bathed" in the kitchen sink or in front of a coal fire in a tin bath. Happy days!!!!!!!!
Posted by pedro at 04/04/2006 21:02
No Ritchies never helped with home baking.I remember Wilsons tho known locally as tea-cake Wilsons.Our bread was left to rise(dough) in an earthenware bowl in front of a yorkist stove the stove had oven- fire-and a water boiler at the side.The more affulent who had a bath(not many) it was situated in the back kitchen with a work surface over the top Mrs cooper at No 33 RC had one the rest was a tin bath hanging on the wall until friday night the york stove boiler would hold about 3 gls of water add the cold water and 3 kids theres your bath night. occasional dipheria + scarlet fever in a few familys but not in epidemic proportions.Water from the main was no problem.but we had a catchment well in our backyard rainwater.used in the war(if needed) with a styrup pump for incendary devices.Dont recall anyone drinking from these so called wells.Dad filled ours in after the war using ashes from the coal fire .Dont recall any noise problems but remember long summer nights with the ladies gossiping sitting on the doorsteps.Probobly waiting for the men returning from the Vic pub.:)
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 06/04/2006 14:01
30 AND 28 MARSHFIELD late in the day for that side of the street, Geoff. Built around same time as houses opposite, from my research, despite older style.
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 06/04/2006 14:04
Pedro, we have updating on Sam Whiteley, from Paul Rice.
Shall be putting it on the new website just gone live - www.goole-action-group.org.uk. Helps to launch the Social History page. Photos from the old B & W days to illustrate page as soon as we can get sorted and labelled into some memory-guessing game, maybe.
Posted by pedro at 07/04/2006 15:55
looking forward to updates.But very interested as to what ship sam whitely was lost on cant believe I spent last fifty years believing it was hms hood
Posted by pedro at 07/04/2006 18:33
sorry meant last 60yrs:)
Posted by Geoff at 07/04/2006 22:51
Pedro see the new Goole Action Group web site for info on Sam
Whitely
Posted by pedro at 09/04/2006 08:54
nice site cant believe I got it so wrong about S Whitely but considering I was only 7yrs old at the time maybe I can be forgiven.I knew all the family tho eddie served in royal navy. ernie was killed building keadby power station. andrew and douglas in the army.Lena sadly passed away she was married to bob bunting glorious gloucsters fame Korea. surviving members Dougie Jean margaret and mary.I remember a very sad day in the early fifties (Ithink) Lena tragically lost her 3yr old daughter Linda who fell into a wash tub and was drowned some sad memories but lots of support from great neighbours.
Posted by pedro at 09/04/2006 10:08
harking back to local buisnessmen I cant believe J Mcgrory is not showing more interest after all he owes a lot to this area including his life.When he was about 8yrs old he fell in the river and would have drowned but for the prompt action of Mrs Harrison 31 RC and a dutch seaman whos ship was berthed at the pier awaiting penning in the lock (victoria).they both risked their lives by entering the water and saving his life.
Posted by pedro at 09/04/2006 10:10
all these incidents could be confirmed by Goole Times archives
Posted by David Lea-Jackson at 12/04/2006 18:41
Pedro; ref S Whiteley.Sam was a friend of my dads and served with him on mv CEDARBANK. My dad was lost when she was torp'd in 1940. Sam survived and joined mv NORTHMOOR as 4th engineer but was lost on17/05/43 regards David L-J
Posted by pedro at 12/04/2006 21:58
many thanks for info on S Whitely I would have lost money had I bet on it :) got confused with Edward been in Rn his bro was a good friend of mine sadly no longer with us. Who owned the Northmoor and Cedarbank at that time please?
Posted by pedro at 12/04/2006 22:05
Incidently on ships page, ships in port 1881 I found my great granfather wm b cawthorn ab aboard the ship Contest I would love to find more about this ship
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 13/04/2006 17:41
Contest? Name rings bell. Think I've seen a postcard painting of ship?? Goole library??
Do Ron Gosney's transcripts include this vessel?
If so, maybe he can help.
Posted by pedro at 13/04/2006 22:33
forgive my ignorance but I keep seeing references to yellowhouse i/e on goole action group site some photos courtesy of yellow house.What or where is yellow house
Posted by GOOLE ACTION TREASURER at 14/04/2006 08:54
Yellow House is a reference to Vincent van Gogh, his paintings of Sunflowers etc. Adopted by George & Gosia who run this arts hothouse and stirred up Shuffleton, youth and Kingsway School with dance, film, drama and writing events last year. The oldies took the opportunity to write about their memories, mostly about life in the riverside part of Goole. We hope to publish these one way or another very soon, maybe a taster in return for cash! To save our streets. You can find YH if you do a bit of creative browsing online and see more of what they do out of Liverpool. You might like to take this subject further on Goole Action site, however, where it is hoped some of the old black and white photos supplied to illustrate our writings with YH will begin to appear before too long.

On that subject, and the Mrs. Harrison you refer to as being a life-saver, it would be interesting to have more details of the lady and her family connections - if you are able.
Posted by pedro at 14/04/2006 19:05
re Mrs Harrison see goole action group social history
Posted by david lea- jackson at 15/04/2006 18:11
Pedro, mv Cedarbank was a "BANK BOAT" owned by Andrew Weir Shipping. I do not have info ref Northmoor. My paternal G/Father was Captain Joseph Lea(SS LOWLAND) During the resession my dad went as his first mate despite having a "deep sea" ticket obtained whilst he was with AWS. My dad was born at the old jetty house Blacktoft in 1909 when his father Captain David Jackson was jetty master.
Posted by pedro at 15/04/2006 22:21
Posted by david lea- jackson at 17/04/2006 17:52
pedro,what a brill site, only recently discovered but already bringing back memories of years gone by. I attended Miss Rhodes school "Gwalia" My g/father used to walk me to school each day. Miss Rhodes and her father used to put the fear of God up me to the extent that on occasions I used to give Captain Lea the slip and play "hookey". I also recall her sister and brother-in-law arriving back home having got out of Singapore as the Japanese took control. My mother eventually got fed up with me and I was banged away to boarding school for the duration. More of that later.
Posted by pedro at 17/04/2006 18:46
Remember Miss Rhodes well on Hook Rd as a kid I even ran to the corner shop for her. She would pay me with comics I always used to think them schoolkids must be learning a lot because I came away with a bundle of dandy n beanos lol. Capt Lea ringing a bell tell me more
Posted by GOOLE ACTION TREASURER at 18/04/2006 06:26
David, I believe your Jackson relatives lived in Marshfield Rd in its early days. The block numbered 9/27. Somewhere I have record, also details provided by the late Annis J.
Posted by George Robinson at 19/04/2006 08:50
For Pedro .... CONTEST

In 1881 this would most likely have been the CONTEST built in 1879, 486grt by James Laing at Sunderland for William France but she was registered at London not Goole so is not in Ron Gosney's transcriptions from the Goole registers (we have a copy at the Waterways Museum).
INCREDIBLY this old ship is reported as still sailing as a much-altered motorship ABDULLAH under the Greek flag, I'm sure I have some more detail somewhere if only I can find it.
Posted by GOOLE ACTION GROUP at 19/04/2006 09:35
A web search also found this entry in local newspapers (Hull)
1874 October 29th;
Trial trip of the s.s Contest, launched by Messrs. HUMPHRYS and
PEARSON.
Can George add more to this?
Posted by George at 19/04/2006 11:52
CONTEST

Enid, yes that CONTEST of 1874 was also for Wm. France but as they definitely also had the one I mentioned built in 1879 then I can only presume they sold her prior to that date ... she was not lost as she is in Lloyds Register of 1905 as the GAULOIS of Brest.
Pity no-one that I know of has done a history of William France, I think he was a Leeds merchant who branched out into shipping and later of course joined with Fenwick to make the well-known shipping company of Wm. France, Fenwick.
Posted by david lea-jackson at 19/04/2006 12:46
Pedro,My g/fatherwas one of five brothers,all Masters,Stephen Herbert,William and George,He had the OBE and at one time, in the 20's was harbour master at Goole. My G/father retired in 39, shortly after the LOWLAND was mined off Walton on the Naze,Essex coast. After the loss of my dad Joe kept a "weather eye" on me for many years. My Grandparents lived in Jackson St and he used to walk me to school through Richard Cooper St. By coincidence their next door neighbour was Uriah Wood, He had lodgings there, He also made an impression. Tall and gaunt with a "Duff" leg.He may have been OK but to a small boy rather intimidating. My dads sister Annis Lived in Marshfield Rd,My paternal G/father,Capt:David Jackson was I believe Harbour master at Goole uto his death in 1948,he lived in a row of houses near Lock Hill and I understand these property's are listed.One other thing my G/F Lea took over the house keeping on his retirement and was on very good terms with local shop keepers,in fact,on reflection,baring in mind they were a God fearing family there never appeared to be any shortages, only sweets.
Posted by pedro at 19/04/2006 14:45
Spoke on phone today with my elder brother(now in his eighties) says he remembers Capt Lea Harbour master but thought he resided at harbour house Hook Rd.As at one time this property was allotted to the Harbour masters.The house is about 3 doors prior to reaching Ainsty St and still has inscription Harbour House and date above the door.
Re-Contest many thanks for info on ship I downloaded log on 1881 census unfortunately got HMS Contest Chatam.However looking forward to my visit in June-July to Waterways Museum.
Posted by GOOLE ACTION TREASURER at 19/04/2006 15:47
Been to research old Goole Times. Found both Contests. The first one replaced by the new steamer built at Sunderland. "Arrived on Saturday from London with a general cargo for the first time." (talking weekly paper dated 27 February 1880 here)
This Contest in collision in Humber 9.30 p.m. 7 April 1883 (was Pedro's relative aboard?) Crew of 13 hands, cargo of coals, going downriver from Goole to London. Other vessel, Vesuv, Copenhagen with Trinity House pilot on board, sank as a result (a little below Holme buoy). Both masters found to blame when inquiry held in London June 1883. Possible that a red light on Vesuv might not have been properly lit but Contest doing a fast rate of knots, made a badly misjudged change of direction that was held to have been a wrong manouvre.

Also a mention in Garside cuttings Vol 2 p.104 - that this Contest (486 tons gross) was subsequently renamed Hermine, Jyden, and Marta of Abo, so she appears to have had a pretty chequered history.

There are lots of arrivals/sailings listed of the old Contest, under command of Capt. Watson, usually with goods for London, but in August 1879 he sailed for Ghent with coal.
Posted by GOOLE ACTION TREASURER at 19/04/2006 16:02
Harbour House Hook Road was used by earlier Harbour Master, Capt. Baker - see Goole Gen. enquiries and messages. But I discovered that he also gave his address as East Parade. Could be that was the HN office. Capt. Lea followed Capt. Baker on latter's retirement/death.
And then between 20s and 30s, Harbour House was occupied at some time by Mr. Smith (a shipping agent?) for whom my mother worked as a shorthand-typist before her marriage in 1927.
Posted by david lea- jackson at 19/04/2006 16:11
Pedro,ref your t/c with your brother. The Capt;Lea reffered to would have been George.I have noted obs from Goole Action site ref my aunt Annis Halliday.Regret cannot locate website.Annis had a sister Elsie,She married Robert(Bob) Ludkin,He was in property,then there was my dad David.Alas,both sides of my family have gone,taking up permenant residence in Goole cemetary(I hope).
Posted by George at 19/04/2006 17:03
CONTEST of 1879

Yes her later names in order were HERMINE, JYDEN, MARTA, 1962 ARGO, 1965 EVANGELIA, 1982 ABDULLAH, Turkish not Greek as I mentioned earlier and reputed to be still sailing.

FERDINAND HARTMAN SMITH
I have come across that name as a shipping agent with address either The Arcade or Belize House, in 1920 he had registered at Goole a substantial steam yacht called BLACK TULIP, previously owned by Aveling of steam roller fame. He sold her in 1924. I wonder if anyone knows more about him, was he a man of substance who might have run such a fine vessel or was he maybe a broker buying her and re-selling after 4 years. I have had long contact with a man who later lived on her as a houseboat on the south coast.
Posted by Stuart (Webmaster) at 19/04/2006 17:11
You can see an image of the Black Tulip by following the link on the right-hand side
Posted by GOOLE ACTION TREASURER at 20/04/2006 07:10
George -

Ferdinand H. Smith is relative of Michael Cowling, who has contributed to Goole Genealogy group. Join up, see the site on GOTW, then you can contact Michael. Smith at Belsize House was another relative. FHS lived at Belle Vue now the care home, on N. Street Goole. FHS original director of Goole Times newspaper too.
He shipped logwood, perhaps a ref. to Black Tulip!?
Posted by GOOLE ACTION TREASURER at 20/04/2006 07:13
David -
Annis Holliday, your aunt, was my respondent before she removed from M. Rd. As a child, or before her birth, her parents were residents in the block 9/27, so maybe your late father too was brought up for a time there. Will try and find my dates/notes on this.
www.goole-action-group.org.uk is website you need for the other refs.
Posted by GOOLE ACTION TREASURER at 20/04/2006 07:23
CORRECTION - George -

Michael Cowling material not on Goole Gen. I read too much of this stuff! He contributed transcribed diaries of FHS wife in their early days in shipping business to Boothferry & Goole FHS. I have a copy of an old mag. with this material, inc. contact. Will send it to you c/o Waterways.

To my knowledge, the Smith my mother worked for was not related to FHS nor to the family who lived at Belize or Belsize House - on Hook Road, the late 1880s buildings between Salisbury and Fountayne Street.
Posted by GOOLE ACTION TREASURER at 20/04/2006 07:57
And Belize House, ref. to logwood trade, of course.

A quick glance at the Boothferry FH contribution shows that HC F(erdinand) Hartmann was in Goole from earliest days of steam-shipping trade, and married Emma Smith of E Parade in 1864. Mrs. H died 1918. There were no children, but Mrs. Smith had nephews and nieces. Hence the FH Smith you mention.
Posted by david lea-jackson at 20/04/2006 18:19
Ref note concerning my aunt. Very interesting. I last saw Annis in 96/97. At the time I was driving up the A1 on average every three weeks to attend the needs of my Aunt Edith Portus. She taught piano from her home in Westbourne Grove for many years but as she got older her mind began to trouble her and after a spell in Goole hospital I managed to get her into private residential care where she spent her final years(2) in relative contentment. Once Edie had gone I had no further need to travel North but before finally moving off I called on Annis to be told that she and Rebecca had moved, address unknown. As I say it was nice to hear from you, I tried to access your website but got "blocked".
Posted by pedro at 20/04/2006 21:31
BEWARE OF SKELETONS IN THE CUPBOARD
I am presently researching the Cawthorn family tree and thought you may be interested in this snippet I uncovered. In 1814 Elizabeth Cawthorn (Knottingley family) was sentenced at Nottingham assizes to be transported for life accused of stealing one gold sovereign from a customer in the local Inn. She was shipped out on the good ship Wanstead to Parramatta New South Wales along with 250 other female prisoners (two died on passage) She arrived safely on the 9th Jan 1814. 7 years later she married another prisoner one William Stephens who arrived on the good ship Coromander. He was listed as a brickmaker. I do hope they lived happily ever after. I think I may look for the Stephens family in Australia and tell them the good news. (I told you we were a family of mariners) lol
Posted by GOOLE ACTION TREASURER at 21/04/2006 08:17
Well, well, well. I too knew Madame Portus, she taught me piano like so many others. Living to a good age has its downside often, if memory/mind wanders or body fails. That's another reason to keep cyber-searching as Pedro does.

Cannot understand why you are blocked except that your machine has low security level stopping you from accessing site.
You should persevere! It's worth your attention!!
Annis and Rebecca moved together to Adeline Street, before Annis became too frail to make the move. I did occasionally see her and was able to attend her funeral, having learned that she and her husband had been buddies of my aunt and uncle as young marrieds. I recognised your mention of Ludkin too, my aunt knew all this family history but one does not make the connections when young.
Posted by david lea-jackson at 22/04/2006 20:30
How right you are in referance to the use of the internet.I freely admit to being something of a Technophobe but can honestly say that since purchasing my PC last year I have derived great pleasure inlooking up places I've been to.Emails are a godsend and now,only recently I have located this website and I find it most interesting.It's good to come accross someone who knew Edie,she was a true sweatheart.As a boy during the war,not only did my grandparents have an influence in my life but Edie also.I often stayed with her and recall going for miles on our bykes when she was collecting for the Salvation Army.Regarding the Ludkins.When my parents married I think the first home they had was at 35 Marshfield Avenue.It is odd but I can recall being fascinated at the fact that in the kitchen there was a brick built copper boiler with a small coal underneath.That really did make an impression,I could only have been about three.My dad was at sea(deep)for long stretches and it was left to my mum to "Arrange"things as a result of which shortly before the outbreak of war we moved to 152 Pasture Road,the last house on the right before what was then Tomlinsons fish & chip shop.My mothers name was Ethel Lea she attended Goole Grammer as did my dad prior to going to Drax,Now Reads
Posted by Geoff Depledge at 22/04/2006 20:55
I visited Goole last week with my Mum (now87), I took her to the Peacock and introduced her to the present landlord (remember my Mum's Dad Frank Storr had been the landlord. It was interesting to watch her reaction she was obviously deep in thought about her childhood. She remembered the two large houses opposite and the 'rich' families that stayed there alongside small cottages for the poorer townsfolk.
We went down Kingsway and Marshfield.
Mum has corrected herself re the Rollinsons she now believes their shop was No 4 Kingsway the house her family lived in before the Peacock.
Mum remembers much of Pedro's history of the people and places but not as clearly.
She is however adament that Captain Laverack (Billy) lived next to my Dad on Marshfield Rd, she says he was the most handsome guy in Goole prior to his burns.
Mum is confused regarding Anne Storr and Anne Wilson, she thinks the latter owned a sweet shop, did they both live in Riversdale.
Randolph Hopley was the landlord for 30 Marshfield Rd,
We also visited Hook 9 Garth Lane where we lived is pretty much the same but I was surprised to find that the old School had been knocked down (or is it not where I remembered it to be).
My uncle Frank storr had an electricians shop Mum thinks it was on Ouse street, can you confirm. He died of MS in 1946, mum reckons he was responsible for the lighting on the docks and had a bad fall.
With reference to previous comments re Boothferry Rd Pedro mentioned the bombing did one of the houses belong to a Mr Martin who ran a hairdressers business.
Mum also thinks the Cawthorns had a chemist shop on or near to Pasture Rd and that a Cawthorn lived down North St, is she right.
Posted by pedro at 22/04/2006 22:45
Geoff your mums not doing bad for her age. I used to be confused about Annie Storr/Wilson - it's the same person. We used to visit her shop in Carlisle St. My mum always referred to Annie Storr us kids called her Miss Wilson. Prior to her moving to Riversdale her war damaged house was on Boothferry Rd at the end of Jackson St. Luckily she was in her shop when the house was hit. I do vaguely recall a hairdresser in the vicinity also.
Re - Bill Laverack yes was on Marshfield Rd but for some time he was in one of the houses next to Rollinson, maybe only temporary, but I had reason to visit him there he was transfered from the SS Alt to the Hebble and I took him some item he forgot to take with him. My mum used to say what a good looking guy he was. I only knew him after the accident but recall seeing his wedding photos.
Cawthornes (note the E) had a chemist shop as well as a drapery shop on Pasture Rd (I believe the Chemist was actually in Argyle St) later Beardshall or some such name. The small terraced houses opposite the Peacock is now I believe a builders yard used to be a passage way into them from North St I think it was Belgrave Terr or similar name.
Posted by GOOLE ACTION TREASURER at 23/04/2006 09:06
Belle Vue Terrace was the block after BV House, now the old folks home.

David, Salvation Army is the strongest memory I have after my piano lessons with your Aunt Edie. Did any of the RC and P Street families go to any of the many chapels? I know that one resident in Marshfield Road supported William Booth's movement when it first came to town - and same lady (Mrs. Atkinson) had tenants in P Street - probably some of the homes immediately behind hers - she lived at 32 M.Rd., and was grandmother of Frank Atkinson (of Mayfleet, Hook Road).

Captain Laverack's son David is still around in Goole - seen him occasionally.
Posted by GOOLE ACTION TREASURER at 23/04/2006 09:12
As to Cawthorne (with e) the draper - his son Geoff at school with me.
Cawthorn (believe he was without e and "Leonard"?) the chemist - lived for a time in M. Terrace prior to 1914 (block nod. 40/60) that backs on to the old Adelphi Warehouse site.
Posted by GOOLE ACTION TREASURER at 23/04/2006 09:32
Behind BV Terrace (actually four cottages with named archway to rear of them) was William? Street - another terrace pulled down by Mr. Black about 1930s, for health reasons. That's the builders' yard now.

BV House and Stone House on North Street were homes built by Goole's "merchants" - the Bromleys I think were first at BV (later it became home of Hartmann, shipping agent). Stone Hse was named by stone-carriers - the Clegg family.
Posted by GOOLE ACTION TREASURER at 23/04/2006 09:35
4 Kingsway was Rollinson's shop. Now flats.
Did that property still have its front garden in your mother's time, Geoff?
Posted by Geoff Depledge at 23/04/2006 10:02
Yes 4 Kingsway had a small front garden when mum lived there, it would have been somewhere around 1923/4 to the late 20's early 30's when mum was there.
Posted by Geoff Depledge at 23/04/2006 10:08
I see the Lowther hotel is closed by its state of repair it seems its been closed for years.
You used to get a good pint in there 'Bass' I think. I used to play a game or two of snooker in there with my Dad and some of his mates after they'd docked (he was a pilot).
Posted by Geoff Depledge at 23/04/2006 10:18
Message to David Lea-Jackson. I note your Dad was a mariner, I wonder if he was related to George W Jackson whose family thou' originating in Knottingley was a Goole boat owner. If so we are related, my e-mail is geoffdepledge@hotmail.com for further info.
Posted by Geoff Depledge at 23/04/2006 10:21
more info from Mum the Webers lived at No 6 Kingsway and the Hutchisons at No 8
Posted by david lea-jackson at 24/04/2006 18:36
geoff,Sorry I wasn't a help.Keep looking and intouch.David L-J
Posted by GOOLE ACTION TREASURER at 25/04/2006 19:08
The Yorkshire Waterways Museum, Dutch River Side, is holding a Family and Local HIstory Day - Sunday 21 May 2006, 11am - 4pm.
FREE ENTRY.
Shuffleton Streets, Shipping (maybe), and Boothferry all to feature - plus Trips on the Cut (charge to pay).
Roll up and bring the town to life.
Posted by Peter Scott at 28/04/2006 20:04
I have some information on the 'Contest', My 3xgreat grandfather Thomas Woodhead was the first master of this ship when it was launched. His son Thomas was first mate and later went on to be master also. It sailed from Goole to Griffin's Wharf on Tooley street London, right at the southern end of London Bridge and was one of William France's Goole and London Line steam packets. It's sister ship 'Resolute' was also captained by Thomas Woodhead and they both sailed weekly. They were built in Glasgow, Whiteinch in the mid 1850s.
Posted by pedro at 28/04/2006 22:56
Contest)I assume the one my relative was on see ships in port 1881 would be the one built by James Laing of Sunderland.
Posted by GOOLE ACTION TREASURER at 29/04/2006 09:23
Contests! Now three of them - a family shipping history by the look of it. The 1850s' built C, the 1870s' C and the James Laing vessel.
Hope George and Peter can work on this, perhaps down at the Waterways History Day on 21 May.
Posted by david lea-jackson at 29/04/2006 18:50
In the 1881 census my g/g/fathers ship FLOWN is shown.Captain Joseph Lea is listed,together with his wife Rose Ellen and son and daughter William and Rose Ellen jnr.The ship was a top sail schooner,owned and skippered by me g/g father.has anybody any idea if a photo or print might exist.David L-J
Posted by GOOLE ACTION TREASURER at 30/04/2006 12:48
Do you have any info on the sailings made by your ggg or the cargo carrried?
Posted by david lea-jackson at 30/04/2006 17:16
Hello there, I can only assume that the cargo would have been general. What I do know. not that it would have much bearing on my request. is that my ggM spent the first 25 years of her married life at sea and was shipwrecked three times off the Norfolk coast. This info came from a journal written by my G/F's brother Stephen Lea
Posted by pedro at 30/04/2006 20:05
Wow Dave that journal would sure make interesting reading. And surely immensley important to the waterways museum as it concerns local family maritime history.
Posted by GOOLE ACTION TREASURER at 01/05/2006 08:02
Perhaps David could arrange to let an archivist inspect the journal to give advice on how best its contents could be saved for posterity - there is a museum organisation online that might be able to offer advice within easy travelling distance of his base: try looking at www.mgm.org.uk to find qualified archive advice - otherwise old journals could soon be wrecked by too much handling - and stowing them away in their original form would also lead to deterioration over time. But if the contents could be copied in some way for general public interest that would be a huge plus.

David, your relative Stephen Lea - I have a ref. to him being an apprentice on the Golden Wedding. Do you have any info. on the last trip made by the GW, other than that in public press etc., when she broke up in a gale in the Gulf of Mexico, under her young master Stephen Ashton, who also had his wife with him and his crew.
Posted by pedro at 02/05/2006 19:48
I took a look at the stainforth web site very interesting.Noted a mention of Fred Barass (I think) little known about him I do recall a Fred Barrass living in Phoenix St in the 1940s he was a bargee working for G.D. Holmes I think. I also seem to relate him to the Guest family at the time.Just wondered if it was the same man
Posted by GOOLE ACTION TREASURER at 03/05/2006 06:39
I thought Barrass rang a bell too - your linking to Guest family might be correct. I will put your query on the Goole Gen site and see what comes up!

The last Guest moved from P. Street very recently under these housing proposals.
Posted by GOOLE ACTION TREASURER at 03/05/2006 06:55
I have also found on museum site mention of a PHOTOGRAPHIC EXHIBITION - of people connected with the waterways - OF PHOTOS FROM ARCHIVES of The Yorkshire Waterways Museum, Dutch River Side, Goole - 1 - 28 May 2006. Further details from Tel. 01405 768730 or email:info@waterwaysmuseum.org.uk
Posted by Geoff Depledge at 05/05/2006 22:37
Posted by pedro at 05/05/2006 23:16
Guess thats what they mean about the good old days geoff.
could be why I went to sea lol.Duty frees in 1950 on board 50 senior service cigs =2/6 bottle whisky 3/6 rum 3/- gin 2/-
1 doz bottles of Mcewens beer 7/6. beer in the pubs of goole at that time 10p a pint ah happy days.
Posted by Christine Spencer at 06/05/2006 17:59
My greatgrandmother lived at 50 North Street, her name was Christiana Maud Collier. There was a passageway at the side leading to a row of houses which I believe was called Providence place where her daughter Brenda Cox lived.
Correct me if I am wrong as I haven't lived in Goole for over 50 years.
Posted by GOOLE ACTION TREASURER at 07/05/2006 07:03
My understanding was that 50 North Street would have been where the block of flats is now - I think one of the two houses still standing on the Goole side of Belle Vue House (the Home for Elderly) was 34 and to the west of it was built the YMCA and there were houses there either in or behind that site between Victoria St and North Street - I think one was Billington Row?
The next block was the one where North Street Wesleyan Church was first built, and that was the brewery area too I believe.
The older census details give the names of all these streets, rows etc. in that area.
Posted by Geoff Depledge at 07/05/2006 09:51
Do you know how to contact the authors of the site there appears to be no way through that address.
They have no infomation about my family which could be added
Posted by pedro at 07/05/2006 15:02
Houses also stood where the tax office is now situated.mrs botley had the corner shop next to peacock then came a row of houses up to Bamforths on the corner now labour exchange.When the plane crashed on the Peacock one of the engines passed over Botleys and demolished one of the middle houses unfortunately killing the lady occupier(name just escapes me) Her remains were found in the cellar kitchen of the same property.
Posted by GOOLE ACTION TREASURER at 07/05/2006 15:45
That side of North street would have been odd nos. though. Houses went all the way down towards the Clock Tower, with Kelly fish and chip shop and the Solicitors' offices before it ran out with the "wooden" single storey shops on the corner with Aire Street.

I saw no Depledge in - but how to contact a mystery, unless you can find one in publications section, or do a search on Townsley, a "Goole" seafaring name once I think.
Posted by david lea-jackson at 08/05/2006 18:38
Ref the Golden Wedding; Steven was indentured on 2/8/1901 under Captain David Rees of the GW and found himself enroute for South America. He rejoined the GW on the 20/06/1902 this time under Cpt Pritchard, 1st mate being Herbert Mathews of Ramsgate. That trip took him upto 26/01/1904 when Cat Rees rejoined the ship in Nova Scotia. Steven was signed off on 26/08/1905. He mentions a number of Goole "LADS" he served with, namely, Harry Tulley, Harold Chester, Richard Hartley and Howard Uncles. At one time he was on the CORNHILL with my G/F. No mention of the wreck though. Regards David L-J
Posted by Peter Scott at 11/05/2006 18:23
Does anyone recall the evacuated French soldiers brought to Goole after being liberated from Lorient by Bennett's ship 'Sparta' in operation Ariel in June 1940? My uncle remembers the alleyways behind Parliament Street and Gordon Street being full of thousands of them, all just sitting around. My grandfather operated the gun fitted to the rear of 'Sparta' as they were divebombed by stukas. Apparently they were sitting ducks as they didn't have time to set the range of the guns and the shells exploded way above the planes.
Posted by George Robinson at 12/05/2006 19:25
SPARTA - OPERATION AERIAL

Peter, the authoritative book about the ships that took part in all the 1940 evacuations lists SPARTA as making one voyage with troops, Brest to Falmouth on 17-18 June. I just find it odd that she would bring a large number of French troops all the way to Goole with the extra hazards of the east coast. Could memories be playing tricks and this was some other occasion? Just a thought that occurred to me!
Posted by pedro at 12/05/2006 21:16
dont recall any repatriated troops in Goole apart from Italian POWs.Many billeted in Mariner St and Centenary Rd.Lots of american forces tho prior to Dunkirk landings.As Previously stated the americans had tanks and bren gun carriers placed in the then adelphi garage bottom of Phoenix St.
Posted by Peter Scott at 14/05/2006 10:47
As regards operation Ariel, I am assuming the ship was Sparta as I believe it was the only Bennett's ship left at this stage ( apart from the lighter Hydra ). I have a letter written by my grandfather from Lorient on June 1st 1940. He was on the Corea when it was mined and then went for gunnery training in Rosythe when he recovered from his injuries. He sailed with Bennett's on the Corea, Sparta and Syria ( among others earlier in his career deep- sea). It's possible the Sparta was not the ship he was on. As for the troops in Gordon St. and Parliament St., I don't know whether they were part of this evacuation or not. Apparently though, there were about 3000 troops brought back from Lorient, and no-one could get near the toilets for the whole journey!
Posted by Peter Scott at 14/05/2006 22:00
Does anyone know anything about the Mill at Goole Barracks and if it still stands? It was owned by Thomas Birks junior in 1881.
Posted by GOOLE ACTION TREASURER at 15/05/2006 08:37
Are you asking whereabouts of Goole Barracks, Peter?
Posted by david lea- jackson at 19/05/2006 12:09
Pedro,your ref to the Italian POW camps in Goole.Whilst I accept that I moved away from Goole when very young I always returned during school holidays and I recall being somewhat confused at the sight of these men the DEADLY ENEMY wondering about town and mixing with the locals,in fact I recall seeing them on Sundays at the Salvation Army,dressed in British Army uniform,dye'd dark brown with large yellow patches on the jackets and trousers.Of course they were dark days,not always that dark but as I grew older I came to under stand the position that Italy had found herself in during the 40's
Posted by pedro at 19/05/2006 22:11
yes but as Italians lots of these prisoners were catholic and used St Josephs church in Pasture road for Sunday Mass one being Angelo the hairdresser who returned to Goole after the war duly marrying his local girl friend,Sadly he recently passed away after spending the remainder of his life in Goole.
Posted by pedro at 20/05/2006 07:49
personally my own recollections Of POWs in Goole was that the majority of them were glad to be out of it ( the war) and living in relative luxury In nissen huts.These would later be used by the local council to house Goole families.Until the building of post war council houses in Western Rd and other areas.Very few restrictions were placed on the prisoners as far as coming and going around the Town.As a schoolboy I also remember walking into the camp in Mariners St without been challenged to collect a toy wooden train engine made for me by one of the POWs.
Posted by david lea-jackson at 21/05/2006 15:48
Pedro;A nostalgia kick.I remember the Canadians being in Goole.My mother had let her home in Pasture road out to some of the officers,through the ministery,whilst she did her bit for "King&Country".Do you,or anyone else for that matter,recall them building a Bailey Bridge over the river just below Boothferry bridge.It was never completed,they lost a Sherman tank which was recovered and sat by the side of the road,near the Fever hospital for some time,I recall being able to get inside and with my mates having great fun operating the turret,no gun in situ.Happy but at times dark days.
Posted by Geoff Depledge at 22/05/2006 20:34
Can anyone please tell me where Thornton Landing is. It is a recorded birth place in the Census for one of my ancestors, I believe it may be near to Howdne or Blacktoft.
Posted by GOOLE ACTION TREASURER at 23/05/2006 07:32
There was an area called Thornton Lands - believe that to be nearer Gilberdyke, Newport.
Posted by GOOLE ACTION TREASURER at 23/05/2006 08:17
Dug out Broomfleet & Faxfleet by Eleanor M. Reader pub. William Sessions York 1972 (out of print I reckon now). Thornton was Templar holding (see GOTW Villages page for link to Templar garths) - Thornton Lands ar Faxfleet - T. Landing could well have been the riverside staithe.
Reader describes it as the old approach to the Humber bank at the end of Faxfleet Lane ... where the 'little ships' tied up and transferred their freight to the 'great ships' , the sturdy cogs and busses which would withstand the buffetings of the North Sea." Then trade went to bigger ports, like Hull.
Reader also mentions the brickworks community at Thornton Landing, being an outlying part of Broomfleet (bricks transported by Market Weighton canal) and lock there.
Posted by GOOLE ACTION TREASURER at 23/05/2006 08:43
Do look at Blacktoft on village page - you can then use the modern map to see Thornton Lands, and also the old map for a view in 1855. You find them on the Faxfleet Garths Templar link. Webmaster has thought of everything!
Posted by Geoff Depledge at 23/05/2006 22:29
Thanks for the help very useful
Posted by david lea- jackson at 12/06/2006 13:39
The sun is shining and I am in the garden reading through past messages left, as an expat it is a pleasure. I note a reference to a Mr Smithson, I recall him visiting my g/parents in Jackson St and leaving soot for the garden. Talking of names and characters from years gone by how about Mr Doubtfire who sold ice cream Mr Joy,he had a sweet shop in Jackson St and Mr Cowling he was the barber in the same street, not forgetting Charlie Gates the cobbler. One other name that comes to mind is Mr Drury. For many years this gentleman was my g/fathers steward and when my g/f retired Mr Drury went with him and I have an idea he opened a shop (second hand) in a street where you caught the blue & cream bus to Brid. The story has it that Mr Drury saved my g/fathers life in 1918 when the REMUS was torp'd off the Orkneys with the loss of five crew.
Posted by neil chappell at 27/06/2006 13:03
Just discovered i am related to Reuben CHAPPELL(famous son of Goole). Does anyone have info on the Chappell families of Goole, Hook, Hensall.
Posted by Ian Fletcher at 03/07/2006 16:06
I left Goole in 1955 when I was 10 years old but reading some of the memories and comments made have brought back many pleasent memories to me. We lived on Riversdale drive opposite the path that led to the river bank (No 19) and my "best friend" who also lived on RD was Keith Studer grandson of Mr Studer of the LEP factory. I went to school at Gwalia Preparetory School which was on Hook Rd at the corner of Richard Cooper St until 1954 and then attended Hook Church of England School
Posted by Jim Drury at 06/07/2006 10:32
Hi, I'm trying to track down anyone living in Goole, who was related to a Lucy Barrat, that married and became Lucy Drury, and had a son called Phillip Drury and a Daughter called Susan Drury, with a George Drury Shortly after Susan was born, George passed away, if you know anyone please can you get them to email me on JimDrury@hotmail.co.uk
Posted by Bill calvert at 08/07/2006 14:42
Anyone remember the newsagents shop under Cowlings (Carter Street)being owned by two sisters Eva and Ivy? She married Raoul Calvert. I need to know more about Raoul's father James William Calvert who ran barges from Goole to wakefield with alum etc. What was his position in the town, please? joy calvert
Posted by John Storey at 12/07/2006 15:36
Just come across the information on Movers & Shakers
after reading through i came across a note about Bill Campbell (posted 18/03/2006 @ 08:30 hours)
Bill was my Uncle & worked for both Eyms & Lincolnshire buses.
He lived at 56 Phoenix st with his sister Olwen & his mother.
Later running the Goole & District Driving school.
I was born in the front room at 56 P/St & later moved to
no 44 P/St with my mother Olwen (who pushed the co-op milk handcart for many years & my Dad Harry a docker.
i lived in P/St from 1947 until 1962.
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Posted by shuffleton streets at 18/07/2006 10:07
Phoenix St. residents info. noted. Adding it to store for "street trees" so family memories can be recorded for old time's sake, if these houses are lost forever.
Posted by David lea-Jackson at 18/07/2006 18:30
Well done Stuart,your message dated 17/07/06 refers.
Browsing through the site I see Geoff makes ref to the Peacock.
As a small boy in the war years I found it exciting watching our bombers going over from the many airfields around Goole and I have a vivid memory of being in the back bedroom of my mothers house in Pasture road and seeing the explosion resulting from two aircraft colliding and falling to the ground. Of course it wasn't until next day that I was told what had happened and that a little boy had been killed
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 18/07/2006 22:52
For Peacock linkage, have a look at www.Goole-Action-Group.org.uk - note ref. re Richard Cooper and Peacock.
Posted by pedro at 18/07/2006 23:18
Re Peacock yes the little boy killed was Jimmy Stanley Jnr known to us at the time as snowball (blond hair) on his grave in Goole cemetry is the vase contributed by all his school friends at the Secondary school Goole
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 19/07/2006 10:49
re Calvert enquiry - James William Calvert was living at Greensides on Boothferry Road in 1927 - he appears there in a facsimile commercial directory (probably Pigots, held at Goole library). His link with this house was probably through his work in the canal trade.

Greensides was built and occupied by the family of John Taylor certainly to 1948. Taylor's concern was with the Goole & Hull Steam Packets, until his death in 1911.

There is a ref. in 1919 Goole Times Year Book at Goole Library for Goole & Hull Steam Packet, manager Mr. H. Prickett, Sec. Mr. A. Calvert jnr. - offices then in Adam Street, Goole.

Your best bet is to contact Goole Library - tel. 01405 762187 or email library c/o East Riding of Yorkshire Council (it does have a website) - requesting info. from commercial pages in Goole Times directories for the years held (approx. 1907 - 1940). Those directories also contain alphabetical list of residents' names and addresses.

I do remember the newsagents you mention, but dont know the link between the two ladies and Calvert.

Hope this helps set you on track.
Posted by John Storey at 19/07/2006 16:52
Just reading thro previous postings, re: Goole action group posted 19/03/06(07:48 hrs) In 1940 My Grandfather + 2 sons lived at 44 P/st. Arthur + sons Harry & George Storey.
Grandfather worked as stoker at the Alum works for years
Harry was a docker & George a Regular in the Army- well before WW11. George was killed in action in Northern France in 1944.
Harry married my mother Olwen Campbell in 1945, Olwen
lived at 56 P/st before she married.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 19/07/2006 20:36
Hello John,
Spent half the day in air-conditioned library, looking at free Ancestry census. Good to have post-census details. Thank you for these. Am keeping this info for the records. Altho it may be dark days of winter before I start pencilling it all in!

But that said, I am chuffed that you have sent your info. because getting it from locals is darned difficult.

The library records via Ancestry shown up Richard Cooper in his glory days, and I found his Cluff grandson lived to be 95 and died at York - one Ashley Fitzgerald Cluff.
Can you, or anyone add anything to this history, of Minnie Cluff nee Cooper's offspring. She was widowed when her husband, a customs officer died at Falmouth before he reached 50. Something to be said for modern medicine, I guess.

Would you like to reveal where you are living now? If so, contact me care off addresses on website (www.Goole-Action-Group.org.uk)- Treasurer.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 20/07/2006 08:13
Calvert enquiry - Took opportunity of free access to Ancestry to check Calvert census entries, 1891 and 1901.
1891 - JW Calvert was 11, scholar, youngest of 5 brothers, sons of Henry Calvert 50 b.Howden and his wife Hannah, 52 born Swinefleet, living at 2 Jefferson St. Goole. Father a Wharfinger on docks, George H 24 a Checker, Docks, Tom 21 ditto, Alfred 19 Ship Chandlery Assistant and Arthur 14 Apprentice Plumber.
Family also had a domestic servant - Adelaide Shipley.

1901 - JWC 22 and a Canal Coal Agent was living with brother Tom 31 Dock Wharfinger and his wife Mary E. 28. Their son Hereward 5 and daughter Ada A 1, at 34 Carlisle St. Goole.

Tom Calvert lived in Marshfield Road at one time so I quote from my ref. taken from his obituary Goole Times August 25 1950:
Tom Calvert remained in "stevedoring" tradition being wharfingers to Aire & Calder Navigation until Tom Calvert joined Goole Steam Shipping as chief stevedore for 29 years before his retirement in 1935. During the 1914-18 war Tom C assisted in superintending the loading in England and discharging in France of British ambulance trains. Later as Lieut. did duty at Calais, ultimately rising to Deputy Assistant Director of Docks, with rank of Major. Earned him MBE. He was survived by his widow, one son and two daughters - Mr. H. Calvert became director of inland waterways and inland water transport in the British Zone of Germany.
Posted by Eileen at 29/07/2006 13:44
I am trying to find out any information about a family named Hedley who lived at 46 Phoenix Street. The wife was my Father's sister but we were never in touch with them and I know nothing about them. Does anybody remember them?
Posted by pedro at 29/07/2006 18:29
Hedley phoenix St Stan and Ivy.sons Stan and Cyril.Daughters Phyllis -Ruth-Kath-Marleen-and Barbara.I dont know how many are alive.But Marlene certainly is along with Cyril I saw Phyllis the eldest daughter Quite recently also.
Posted by John Storey at 31/07/2006 14:13
Mr & Mrs Hedley lived at 46 Phoenix St next door to the Storey family at 44 p/s & the cooper family at 48 p/s.
They had a large family (already listed by Pedro) but he missed out another son Colin - who i grew up with.
Posted by david lea-jackson at 04/08/2006 18:36
HereI go again on one of my nostalgia kicks. My mat/gm Mary Jane Lea was a lifelong Salvationist, in fact one of the founder members of the Goole Corps.

As a boy my G/father and I used to to meet my g/m and my aunt Edith from the citidel every Sunday afternoon but not before the"old man" had trailed me all round the docks to see what ships were in. I remember some were in a bit of a state, this was wartime of course.

One thing that has always intrigued me was the brick built office by the Lowther Bridge. Before going onto the"army" my g/f and I always stopped off so my g/f could enjoy a lemonade. There were men in there in uniform. It was only later in life that I have began to wonder who they were. Also what became of the cannon and ball that was above the portico of the Lowther Hotel.
Posted by Robert Ward at 06/08/2006 20:58
The Lowther cannon was stolen overnight, possibly around 1970.
Posted by pedro at 06/08/2006 21:02
I remember the pilots lobby on the dock wall at Lowther Bridge as kids if we where enquiring about arrivals of a certain ship this is where we would head for. Inside was RT Radio we could hear the eta at goole.
Posted by David Lea-Jackson at 20/08/2006 17:55
Another recall is of a large warehouse which to a small boy took on the appearance of a cathedral, this was just over the Lowther bridge,had a railway line or lines running through it and was burned down during the war,arson or sabotage was suspected but not confirmed.

Thanks for the info ref the pilots office. I thaught it was customs but on reflection it makes sense as my G/F Joseph Lea went as a pilot after he left the Lowland in 1939
Posted by pedro at 20/08/2006 22:29
Yes right hand side over the bridge it was the the bonded wharehouse.Stacked with spirits i/e whisky rum etc but I believe it was incendary bombs during the war caused its demise
Posted by Adam Sutch at 23/08/2006 21:59
One for Pedro, please. In March of this year, Pedro made a post referring to the Home Guard and his Brother who served in it. My Grandfather, Lt Col Harry Richardson, formed and led the Home Guard in Goole throughout the war and I would be very interested in any reminiscences or contact information, anything to do with the Goole Battalion. I would also be interested in any information on the K.O.Y.L.I.Territorials in the area between the Wars. Fascinating stuff on this site, particularly all Pedro's stuff. Regards Adam
Posted by pedro at 24/08/2006 21:17
Spoke with my bro today he remembers H.Richardson and others
inc major Silvester of the solicitors Silvester of Goole. He used to ride a white horse during mustering his KOYLI territorials. He also says other officers inc the Hudson Bros of Hudson Ward millers. Also that these men were all serving in the first world war and consequently set up the Goole Home Guard for WW2. The Sunday parades was a sight to behold with the men marching thro town led by the mounted officers.
Posted by Pam Collier at 05/09/2006 19:47
Can anyone remember John (Jack )Moorfoot who was a Coop roundsman before and during WW11. He lived in Adeline St then Newclose Lane with wife Eva and 4 daughters Ethel. Joyce. Edna and Enid.
Posted by jo at 12/09/2006 22:31
PHEW - where to start, I have a million questions. I'll just say what I have and hope someone can help in my quest to build a bigger picture of my ancestors :o)

Hannah Pauls (Polos/Powls) was my GGG Grandmother and born in Holm in 1827 and died in Goole in 1880. On the 1851 census she lived at 26 George Street, Goole.

She married George Shaw in Hook in 1853 and they had 3 children, George, Edwin and my GG Grandmother Rosa Hannah in 1855 (although Hannah may also have had an illigitimate son William Pauls c1850).

In 1881 George was the *Beer House Keeper* of the Steam Boat Tavern located at 10 Humber Street, Kingston upon Hull (is this near Goole?) along with Rosa Hannah, her husband William Osburn (my main point of interest) and thie new daughter (my 2nd main point), my G Grandmother Sarah Rosa Naomi Osburn.

William Osburn was a master mariner. On the 1891 & 1901 census he was on the SHAH, a paddle tug off the river Ouse. In 1891 the rest of the family lived at 51 Hannocks Terrace, Spyvie Street, Drypool (again, is this near Goole) but are UNTRACEABLE on the 1901 :o(

The SHAH was owned at this time by Goole & Hull Steam Towing Co. Any info on archived records for them would be fantastic.

William was born in Knottingley in 1851 but lived at 9 South Street Goole from at latest 1861 to earliest 1871, so at least 10 years.

Sarah Rosa Naomi Osburn married Charles Nicholson in 1905. He then seems to *disappear* and in 1914 she had my grandmother Rhoda with a chap called Henry Thomas.

Family history suggests that she placed my grandmother in an orphange c1919 but did not die until c1930. After my grandmothers birth she disappears off the radar.

I know there are not many actual questions in there but ANY info relating to my long tale (if you are still with me) would be gratefully appreciated.

Thank you all in advance
Warmley
Jo
Posted by Tricia at 12/09/2006 22:41
Hi.I'm new to this forum and I'm searching for relatives from Goole. Who can remember more details about the Rollinson's shop? Does any one know anything about the Rollinson family? I would also like to know about the socio-economic background to life in Old Goole as my grandmother's grandparents were brought up there and moved a lot. They even lived in the Half Moon Inn at one point. Anyone know any members of the Purvis or Marshall families?
Posted by Tricia at 12/09/2006 22:46
I'm back... just noticed a posting from a Mr Ward. I have a relative who married into the Ward family. Are you local and do you have any info on Wards from Goole? cheers!
Posted by Bill Stewart at 18/09/2006 00:17
Reference to Annie Wilson shop in Carlisle Street jogged my memory. She was really nice and friendly to kids who went there - gave us advice, eg enjoy yourself while your young and sold us single cigarettes, this would be 61 or 62 I think, there was also a really nice sweet shop just up the street opposite the Tower cinema. My other vivid memory is the Sydney Hotel in Air Street, we used to slip across from the Parish Youth Club to engage in some underage drinking - interesting clientele included foreign sailors and ladies who we used to refer to as 'dock fairies'!
Posted by shuffleton streets at 25/09/2006 20:17
And I'm back too. Joan Rollinson is still kicking at her home not far from shop. I can tell her you are in search of family if you wish.
Now shall read your messages.
Posted by shuffleton streets at 25/09/2006 20:22
Pedro, sorry but I have to escape Goole at times!
I was bridesmaid to my mother's cousin Enid Webber, aged 9, so that would be about 1945/6, when she married Raymond Hudson of flour millers.

I will catch up with you when I get time to read all the mailings during my absence.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 25/09/2006 20:37
who knows anything about Goole's gangmaster(s)? I hear street talk, see immigrants being housed, transported, and employed in all parts of Shuffleton and even Salisbury Ave, and Belgrave Drive, who are collected from door by employer's transport.

Info would be useful.
Posted by pedro at 26/09/2006 20:28
I certainly hope that Goole has not come under the influence of the Eastern bloc Mafia.
Welcome back all who have been conspicuous with their absence.lol:)
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 27/09/2006 08:20
It is all perfectly legitimate it seems. Holding on to be connected to immigration, at suggestion of inland revenue/customs, a wait that was at min. half hour, only to be told EU workers had every right to be here.
That was not my grouse. Workers are getting a poor deal. Local landlords are racketeering in collusion with entrepreneurial "gangmaster", it seems.
Anyway, little streets of Goole unfit and for demolition does not bother owners of our terraces all parts of town, across railway, down Salisbury, you name it, there are 14 I am told in one very close to here. Mattresses are shipped in and then new residents are left to furnish place themselves, after their long working hours. Vehicles - fleets of them, all up-market by comparison with locals cars - pick up and drop off at door, anytime between 4 a.m. and 6.45, even take them to supermarkets on way back home.
Remember how our working men on shifts at Scunny had to get to the designated bus pick up point? Well that's not the game now. I hear these residents pay for housing, pay for transport, and no doubt i n return feel very well off here.
Meanwhile rental returns are upped by intermediary to save landlords trying to get their tenants' rents, electricity is being metered to ensure bills are paid in advance (and at a greater cost to user).
Our historic links with Lithuania, Latvia and Poland etc., are now much strengthened, and local employers will be getting a good workforce.
But we, the residents, are paying for it. No support from ERYC who are passing buck to Goole TC., and to date no support nor discussion by Goole TC.
Isn't life fun in sunny G.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 27/09/2006 21:41
Huge news tonight, as Elizabeth Pascoe wins her high court case against govt's English Partnerships, its development arm, on Human Rights grounds and other, against Prescott's demolition of northern terraces.
So we live to fight again.

Look out for that silver Mercedes, MMM and something like 434 or maybe there is a 5 in there. But anyway, in Red Lion Street Goole last night, what seemed to be left-hand drive vehicle was occupied by male eating ...? fish and chips.

There seems to be a changeover in occupancy at 43 M Rd. On Tues. evenings. Someone is being done, I reckon. Anyway, watch this space for further info. And if you can elaborate, please do.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 29/09/2006 20:33
It seems from Judgment that human rights grounds were not successful, but a pyhrric victory on "predominately" ineffective land use of homes in the way of Liverpool City of Culture's "great highway into the city" did result in Eliz. Pascoe getting one over the govt's Dep. PM. For how long, we have to guess, the Deputy role I mean!
Anyway, voicing these thoughts aloud, plus what I said earlier about "inconvenience" of early morning transports, seems to have alerted someone. 'Cos the nuisance has suddenly become unheard!!! We shall see how long this lasts, especially in view of Gangmaster licensing coming into force 1 October 2006 ... .
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 01/10/2006 18:22
Posted by Patricia How at 02/10/2006 17:14
message to shuffleton streets - yes I am very interested in making contact with any member of the Rollinson family. Thanks for getting in touch!
Posted by David Lea-Jackson at 14/10/2006 17:30
Reading the messages from G A G together with Shuffleton ST I thaught it might be of interest to know what has been going on for the past 18 months down here in the"far east",Essex I mean.
With 2012 and the Thames gateway in mind English Partnership in cahoots with Mr "two s***s" Prescott have been trying to get their hands on a local area noted for its wild life and flora and the odd furry creature in white stilletto's.
Last Friday EP announced they were no longer interested due to the reaction shown by the local community who were helped in no small way by the local press when the organised a petition resulting in 1000's of signatures being obtained.
They maybe back,at a much later date but inthe meantime this has been proof positive that the voice of Joe Public cannot be ignored.
All the best,
David L-J
Posted by Angela Taylor at 23/10/2006 22:33
Hi Goole Action Treasurer.
Re your note of the 23rd April you speak of a Mrs Atkinson living at 32 Marshfield Road the grandmother of Frank Atkinson, do you have any more information as to who her husband was, or who the parents of Frank were. One of my Atkinsons lived in various houses in Marshfield Road in the early 1900s.
Hope you can help
Angela Taylor
Posted by RW at 24/10/2006 20:22
Just thought I'd let all the family historians know that we are having a 'Family and Local History Day' at The Yorkshire Waterways Museum (Sobriety Project), Goole, on Sunday 29th October 2006 from 11 - 3. Societies / groups attending will be: Shuffleton Streets, Boothferry and District, Selby and District, Pontefract and Isle of Axholme.
Posted by Emma Laverack at 01/11/2006 20:44
Hi, I'm new to this site and I've read some of the comments that people have made. I was intrigued to find that Geoff Depledge and Pedro have mentioned my grandfather Captain James Laverack of Marshfield Road. I was wondering if you had any more information or memories of him/ his family that you could share as I never got the chance to meet him.
Posted by pedro at 01/11/2006 21:55
Emma I cant add much more but say captain Laverack was most respected by all who sailed with him.Even today when us old salts are remenicing we can we can always find fault with AHL skippers but he always comes out tops.No doubt you have seen his wedding photos and observed what a good looking man he was prior to his accident.Some years ago he was featured in an article of the Goole Times these should still be available in the archives.I personally sailed with him on the S.S Alt and S.S Hebble truly a gentleman.
Posted by Geoff Depledge at 03/11/2006 09:07
Emma sorry I cannot add anything while my Mum is still living and she can remember Captain Laverack she cannot now add much as her memory is now very limited.
There is a difference which I cannot explain Mum calls him Billy and he is certainly the same one that Pedro talks about. Mum knew him before his accident and says he was the most handsome man in Goole (mind you others may not agree).
I have no personal knowledge and my Dad who knew him well (they were neighbours) is dead.
Posted by Emma at 05/11/2006 20:38
I have just been talking to my dad after i got your replies. He would like to thank you greatly for the kind memories of his father. He added that his accident happened after gunnery practice in Berwick-on-tweed. the plane that was towing the target drogue decided to buzz the bus that he and his colleagues were on. Unfortunatley on the last pass it hit the bus and exploded. Billy Laverack was pushed out of the bus but suffered serious burns. He was in and out of hospital for the next 3 years. He was treated by Archibald MacIndoe who was a pionneering burns surgeon during the war. He operated on many burns-injured pilots who became known as his 'guinea-pigs'. Dad tells me my grandad eventually passed away after a heart attack on his ship off north cape (Norway) en route to / returning from Russia, in April 1978. He was airlifted off the ship but died before arrival at hospital.
Posted by pedro at 05/11/2006 22:19
Many thanks Emma for the final chapter of Captain Laveracks life. I left Goole in 1970 and often wondered about his final years. As a matter of interest could you ask your dad the name of his last ship please.
Posted by Geoff Depledge at 06/11/2006 17:24
Hi Emma, theres a chance that your Dad might know of my Mum & Dad. My Dads family lived next door to the Laveracks he was called Sid Depledge (his father was called Thomson Flower Depledge) and my Mum lived opposite her name is Enid (nee Storr). They may well be much older than your Dad Mum is still living and will be 88 this month, my Dad died in 1981 he was a river pilot and knew your family well.
Posted by Emma at 06/11/2006 21:25
My dad left goole in 1972 to go to art college and only lived briefly in goole since then. his brother david still lives in goole and is a lot closer to the history. particularly relating to the ships. ill ask him to check out the facts and post a further message. he will probably be able to help with information more than my dad and i can.
Posted by shuffleton streets at 11/11/2006 10:29
sorry to have been incommunicado - life gets too difficult to deal with everything, but I will try and get back regularly - see enquiries from family members Atkinson and Rollinson - Atkinson family all passed on but Frank was grandson of Capt. Peter A who was one of the old sailing skippers in Goole's heyday, 1870s on. I shall have to check dates from ancient research documents I compiled too many years back to have to hand immediately, but Peter A moved to steam and then after retirement began his own small company.
Its ships ended with ..."fleet", e.g. Mayfleet, the name given to house on Hook Road where Miss Lilian Atkinson (Capt. A's daughter) lived until her death. The family were big supporters of Christ Church. Lots of stuff in old Goole Times, on film at Goole Library for researchers.

Miss Rollinson is now in her eighties, and if Patricia will pass some details of her relationship to the Rollinsons, for me to tell this elderly lady, I can ask her if she would like to take up any contact.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 11/11/2006 10:35
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 11/11/2006 10:39
Captain Laverack had a son - David - who lives locally. I am not in touch with him, but he is around sometimes.
Posted by Ray Jordan at 25/11/2006 04:50
I am researching my family tree and would be very grateful for any information of my grandfather Henry (Harry) Lead. He was an ex trawler skipper who became landlord of the Railway Hotel, Staddlesthorpe near Gilberdyke. He is buried in Newport churchyard. After his death his wife (my grandmother) lived in nearby Hive until she passed away
Best regards
Ray Jordan
Posted by david lea-jackson at 20/12/2006 11:39
To Shuffleton St,Pedro and George,
A line to wish you all a happy christmas and all the best for the new year. Your observations over the past year have been truly entertaining and informative.
Take care,
David L-J
Posted by pedro at 20/12/2006 18:24
A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL
WITH THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP RECEIVED
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 27/12/2006 14:16
Thank you and All Good Wishes to you stalwarts out there!

Have just completed initial pencilling in of 1891 and 1901 streets' residents. Bearing in mind the houses only went up to the first cross-street then.

Think I have fathomed out the ordering for un-numbered RC - well it matches up at times with families there in 1901. Hebden household in RC Street, posted brief details on G.A.G. site.

Look forward to further reminiscences when you get the call.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 02/01/2007 19:41
Unreliable communicator, like Webmaster of GOTW, but new stuff for interested folks on GAG.
Posted by David Lea-jackson at 24/01/2007 15:33
Prompted by a recent email.Memories of a happy childhood spent in Goole.
Afternoon tea in Hackforths.Favourite seat,at a table by the window over looking boothferry road,in the company of my mother and various aunts.I spent my time watching the vehicles going by.For example a red steam lorry that spat cinders out and low loaders,RAF ones that had aircraft parts on them I seem to think that Glews garage was taken over by the MoD or what ever gov dept was responcable in those days.
Later in life I became aware of the Art Deco frontage Hackforths had,I trust it has a preservation order on it.
David L-J
Posted by Deborah Mahoney, Brisbane, Australia at 07/02/2007 23:55
Hi there

Not sure if you can help. I am trying to trace my anscestors.
The Depledge,s - I only know of them living in Pennistone, Sheffield.

My great gran & grandad (Elaine Clarenda D Pledge - nee Sutton & Willie De Pledge) lived at the White Bear inn - Pennistone both early 1900,s.

Children
Frank
Cyril
May
Ida Mary - my grandmother - born 1923.

Just wondered if you might have info that could lead me forward, I would appreciate any info u may have

Deb
Posted by geoff depledge at 08/02/2007 19:29
Deborah, if you send me your e-mail address to geoffdepledge@hotmail.com I will put you in touch with a group of Depledges who may be able to help.
I have come across the Sheffield Depledges in my own research but so far I have no link to my Depledge branch of the family
Posted by geoff depledge at 09/02/2007 20:46
Deborah, with minimum effort using ancestry.co.uk of free BDM I found the marriage of a Willie Depledge to an Elsie C Sutton in the 1stQ 1915. He may have been the son of George & Harriott born 1886 in Crigglestone, Yorkshire
Posted by David Lea-Jackson at 11/02/2007 15:33
I wonder if someone could assist me in making contact with my cousin Rebecca Halliday. I lost touch when her mother passed away and I am doing family research into our grand parents David and Annis Rebecca Jackson.
Many thanks,
David L-J
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 18/02/2007 12:13
Message for John Storey:
Your family history now added to Shuffleton Streets website - www.goole-action-group.org.uk.
Please check it out and let the site know if you want any changes to be made.

A lot of material on there pre-your time!
Posted by Keith Studer at 20/02/2007 10:31
Only today have I stumbled into this site by chance and saw the message from my old "Best Friend" Ian Fletcher on 3 July 2006. We havn't seen each other since 1955 ! We won't have changed a bit.
Are you there Ian ??
I was brought up first in Riversdale Drive and then on Hook Road, where my Father lived until his death only a couple of years ago
nostalgia !
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 24/02/2007 08:39
Missing the Chief Mover & Shaker - come back soon Pedro.
Posted by Stuart McLeod at 02/03/2007 00:00
Pedro
I wonder if you can help me please? I noticed on your posting of 24/03/06 you mentioned the SS Blacktoft. I believe my grandfather Captain Ernest Fisher was Captain of her in 1941 when she was torpedoed off the east coast. I believe he was awarded the OBE for this action. I would be very grateful for any info you could give me about the ship please. Many thanks, Stuart
Posted by Ref Whiteley at 03/03/2007 10:49
Great to read all the old memories of the home town, reading this in Australia, and had to add to the Whilety stream, Betty youngest of the Whiteley clan, still living in OZ. Reading this with Mary Taylor, nee Whiteley, visiting family, great memories.
Posted by David Lea-Jackson at 03/03/2007 17:47
"Some time ago Pedro made mention of the fact that there appears tobe a shortage of scibes from the "older generation" I could'nt agree more hence the reason I submit,in my own small way,certain cotributions when they come to mind.
One in particular was an island called,I think Wessex.This was just opposite the old fever hospital.As a young boy I used to go camping with a couple of friends,this was before Graham Norton and Julian Cleary were on the scene,their names were Colin Butler and Derek Sprakes.
I make mention of the island because the last time I was in Goole,at least six years ago,the island seemed to have gone.
Posted by pedro at 04/03/2007 14:01
Im back after 6 weeks in the carribean sailing and sunning.Now catching up with postings more to follow
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 04/03/2007 16:46
David, not Wessex but Wessucs - Westfield Banks, the island being that part around which the river has snaked in its changing course being the reason, I believe. That would account for your not seeing it the last visit.
I know this bit of the bank was a favourite for such "old-fashioned" entertainment, that folks like us oldies got up to when there was "nothing to do", as the complaint goes nowadays!!
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 04/03/2007 16:51
Pirate of the Caribbean, hey. Well, there must be a multi-volume blockbuster waiting to be written now. We can't wait to hear about the sun setting over the horizon, never mind about the grey goings on in Goole during your cruise, Pedro!
Posted by pedro at 04/03/2007 16:57
Wessex (or Yorks pronounciation Wessux)Please note J.Mcgrory named his house in Hook Wessex after this play area.Which sadly over the years has erroded away.In my youthful days it was a vitual jungle lol.And one could actually get lost in it we killed many(imaginary japanese soldiers)during the forties here with our air rifles ahh more happy days.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 04/03/2007 17:12
postscript David: Wessucs being what John McGrory, another old Shuffletonian, called his house at Hook I think. No doubt remembering glory days of old.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 04/03/2007 17:15
Cant believe machine faster than minds! All it needs now is the man himself to join in.
Posted by pedro at 04/03/2007 17:38
Re- Studer Keith I guess your dad was Ronnie I well remember his dad the old man with his Beret and churchill cigar catching me smoking in a no smoking area of LEP Transport (Adelphi works)After giving me a rocketing for smoking I pointed out he was smoking a cigar as large as a rolling pin.To which he replied in his accented English DO AS I PLUTTY SAY NOT AS I PLUTTY DO. Ron Pantry was his Chauffer Mrs Ellis his housekeeper.
Posted by David Lea-Jackson at 05/03/2007 17:28
Pedro, nice to see that you are back where you belong. Many thanks to you and I think Enid for info ref the island.

As a young man I spent time in the far east, Malaya, Indonesia and Papua New Guinea and that island where as boys we fought many a battle bore an uncanny resemblance to some of the areas I was in. The only thing missing would have been the wild life and the humidity which in itself was a killer. Not so happy days but we are still here.
Posted by pedro at 05/03/2007 21:17
Thanks David just enjoyed 6 weeks in the carribean catching up with old pals,and helping my friend build his new house.I too spent some time in Papua NG during my working days its completely changed now the rain forest decimated by timber loggers.Thanks to a guy called Vincent Tan a Singaporean whos greed has resulted in the indigenous people having to move out.
But thankfully when he attempted to do the same in South America I played a small part in stopping him by publishing news cuttings of the damage in PNG.He promised the Suriname Government a new hotel in Paramaribo in return for lumber conssesions which were thankfully denied him.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 06/03/2007 21:09
It would be really useful to know how Keith Studer feels about the Adelphi Warehouse forming part of the streets re-dev. site?
I knew Ronnie, his Dad, too. When I worked for CPH, his legal pal.

Can't speak for boys own games on Westfield Banks, but my lad and his mate(s) got up to rafting tricks on Goole dockland, so I have since learned. Without those opportunities to adventure, none of you, old or middle-aged, would have gone on to experiences far beyond the riverbank. Goole is full of pioneers, or was. Read the Rowntree Foundation document on GAG for another view of pioneers, in housing terms, and see what incoming Howden residents think about Goole!
Posted by Mr. T. Pudding at 07/03/2007 12:17
These people as mentioned above, are fantastic human beings, and deserve to be recognised for their work in having Goole put firmly on the map. We should thank them all from the bottom of our souls, but more than this... We should thank the American super giant, Google, for having a name so similar to your own. For now, meer typos bring people who have never even been to Yorkshire to the sunny port of Goole.

Thank you, Google. You truly have enriched our lives.

With peace, and love

Tom
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 07/03/2007 18:55
Goodness, gracious, me!
It's the man himself, and we Goolies thought all Tom Puddings had sunk to the bottom of the cut.
Greetings from G.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 07/03/2007 19:27
Coming over the motorway this evening, sixish, low water showed mudflats on northern (Howdenshire) bank of Ouse, with what looked like another islanded bit in the making. Shifting channels.
Posted by David Lea-Jackson at 09/03/2007 18:33
During the early 60's we happened to be in Indonesia and when the "droppings hit the fan" we had to move on. One or two of us were found to have sustained damage in transit and that is how I found myself in a civvy hospital in Port Moresby. It was there, once I was able to get out of my cot that I thought I had found true love in the shape of the matron. She was too old for me, so she said, but I have happy memories of sitting on the hospital verandah in the evening, sipping and chatting with her and being bitten not by the love bug but giant mossies
Posted by Cate Austwick at 11/03/2007 12:38
Hi. Have just been browsing through your very informative web site. My family are originally from your area. My Great Grandfather was an AUSTWICK and involved in the shipping trade. I also heard that his parents may have owned a pub? He and his wife had around 9 children. I know they had twin girls (one was called Sylvia) who died at a very young age from diptheria (in England). There was also a son who drowned at a young age whilst swimming from a pier (in England). His wife (my great grandmother, Georgina) and their children left him around 1927 and immigrated to Sydney, Australia. They were never to have any contact with him again. I am not really sure of why or what exactly happened. I am trying to research my family tree. If anyone has information about my family history please contact me. Thanks, Cate Austwick (AUSTRALIA) - baillie@speedlink.com.au
Posted by Stuart McLeod at 22/03/2007 01:22
Re: SS Blacktoft. Thank you Pedro for your help, I'll follow it up
Posted by janine at 02/04/2007 15:20
Hi
I am researching my family tree and have found my ancesters were from Goole and Hook.
My great great grandfather William Wareham drowned in the River Ouse at Goole in 1883. Does anyone have any info or know where I can find out what happened? He was a mariner.
Posted by David Lea-Jackson at 11/04/2007 18:48
I note that there have recently appeared on the book shelves yet more books questioning issues surrounding Sir Arthur Harris's commitment to bombing Nazi Germany in the way Bomber Command and the USAAF carried out the task, I refer of course to Hamburg and Dresden to name only two of the countless cities that were,to a large extent, totally obliterated. For me it only confirms mans inhumanity to man a situation that still exists in the 21st century. In mitigation it could be said that in sending our bomber crews out each night was, at that time, the only way we could fight back.
As a small boy,living in Goole,I remember well the aircraft forming up in the sky above Goole before heading off for the continent and God knows what. A more vivid memory is of seeing return in daylight. You could see the damage sustained to the Halifax, Lancaster and Wellington bombers, but had no idea of the carnage that had occured, only a thrill at seeing these aircraft flying so low. I for one recall climbing onto the roof of my g/parents air raid shelter and painting, in blue, RAF then V for victory. This was the innocence of childhood which wasn't to last.
Posted by pedro at 11/04/2007 22:18
I to remember the bombers leaving the locality of Goole.I believe it was 51 squadron based at Pollington airfield Snaith some 4 miles from Goole.A memorial has recently been erected in the said locality comemorating those who never returned.I have been informed of a book called Snaith Knights author Renee Ounsley who I understand is the secretary of this memorial.Although I must confess as yet not got around to buying it all proceeds of the book going to the upkeep of this memorial.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 15/04/2007 09:20
Pedro, Many thanks for comment on GAG. Awaiting site update. Back asap.
Posted by David Lea-Jackson at 15/04/2007 13:21
Pedro,
I picked up on the memorial at Snaith sometime ago when "surfing" also mention of a ghost that frequents the site.
During the war my mothers youngest sister met a young Australian bomber pilot at a dance in the Market Hall in Goole.They were eventually married at St Johns.Bill was one of the fortunate ones who survived the "tours"they were called upon to do and on completion Bill returned to Brisbane taking Josephine with him. Bill flew Lancasters from Broughton Nr Howden. Some years ago I paid a visit to the airfield and much to my surprise found a photo of Bill and his crew on the wall of the club room.The airfield is part used today by "The real aircraft co" a number of restored aircraft canbe seen,war time and civvy.well worth a visit.
Regards,
David L-J
Posted by Shirley at 22/04/2007 23:34
I am fairly certain I have had some family (Coates/Coats) living in "Goole Barracks". I have found it on a map and is on census returns, but I don't know anything else about the building, it's history etc.. I would like to know something about it, I have tried all sorts of places, the library etc.. but nothing. Would appreciate some help...Thank you
Posted by Priscilla Margaret Laybolt nee' Shadwell at 28/04/2007 09:19
I lived at 52 Burlington Crescent, the house was attached to the Storr's greengrocer, fruit and fresh fish store on the corner of Burlington and Carlilse Street. Our living, sittingroom was on the second floor above the store. The Storr's lived on the other side of us either 54 or 50 Burlington, depending from which end the numbers began. At one time the whole building was an inn, but was seperated by walls to turn it into two seperate dwellings, and the store.
The library was not far, just a little way down on Carlisle street, I borrowed books from there since I was allowed at the age of 5yrs. until I left to come to Canada in 1946.
I was originally married in Goole.
I remember Eunice Lumley, John Gillian, Mary Duffey, and I had a good friend Victoria but cannot remember her surname,
I would love to hear what happend to them?
I also taught at the Alexander school when I first worked, teaching in the kindergarten classes.
Posted by Priscilla Laybolt at 28/04/2007 09:25
Sorry, I forgot to mention a neighbour who lived just around the corner on Carlisle street, his name was Arthur Middleton I believe, his wife was called Mary. Arthur helped design and make all those beautiful flower beds in the cenotaph park. He also had a daughter Dorothy. The work in the park was something to be proud of and I'm sure the town was proud of them.
Posted by Angela Taylor at 30/04/2007 17:06
I am writing on behalf of a cousin of mine who is doing research into his ancestor who may have sailed out of Goole around early 1900s. Does anyone have any idea where a list of ships sailors can be located. His ancestor sailed to Denmark, Germany and Belguim. At this stage we do not know of any named ships. This sailor came from a family of seafarers from Goole called Tuke. Any info would be welcome

Many thanks
Angela Taylor
Posted by David Lea-Jackson at 01/05/2007 11:09
Another trip down memory lane,for me at least.As a boy my g/father Joseph Lea used to take me for long walks along the riverbank towards Hook,sometimes we used to call at a very large house that faced onto the river,the first one you came to approaching from the docks,the back garden had a gate leading onto the bank.
I recall having soft drinks and cake there whilst my g/father chatted and have often wondered "Who lived in a house like that"any answers?
David L-J
Posted by pedro at 01/05/2007 17:05
David that house even had a gazeebo actually on the river bank also a covered trellis of honeysuckle.I believe it was the vicarage.
Posted by David Lea-Jackson at 03/05/2007 19:11
Pedro,
Thanks for that,I've often wondered where I'd been,not the first or last time mark you.If you are right about it being the vicarage I can understand my G/mother being there what with her involvement with the Salvation Army etc.After he retired my G/father was never far from her side and whilst not a Salvationist he gave her unconditional support in her beliefs.
The garden made a big impression on me,it was the ability to walk out onto the bank and see the dingies etc,lined up on the bank.
Once again,many thanks,
David L-J
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 04/05/2007 19:35
Storr's greengrocery and attached property, on Burlington Cresc. and also a small place on Carlisle Street recently placed on market.
Perhaps tells you more about Goole than any of us can say.
Posted by Sh at 04/05/2007 19:37
Went to Boothferry Rd school with Dorothy Middleton. Good to know her dad was so green-fingered, never realised that as a child.
Wonder if Dorothy reads this site, or is still around.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 04/05/2007 19:41
I thought the remains of the gazebo might have been at Studer's place.
By the Poplar trees that are no more.
Although the first house was the Old Vicarage and I still use it as a turnaround for the short evening amble.
Did you know that the property next to the old Vicarage - Wadsworth's old home - is to become apartments with another bungalow in the grounds?
Posted by David Lea-Jackson at 05/05/2007 16:11
Pedro/Shuffleton St:
Your last thread started the"cogs" to turn.Mention was made of Wadsworth house.When my g/father Joseph Lea was skipper of the Lowland he associated with Colin Wadsworth,therefore I'm left wondering if it was his house I used to visit,its all history now but at least I now know where I might have been.
David L-J
Posted by Angela at 05/05/2007 22:30
Please can any one help with info on the Ramsey family who lived in carter st then later moved to Richard Cooper st they had children Jack Alice and ? John. Alexander was a mariner pilot on the Humber out of Goole
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 16/05/2007 16:28
David, I think it may have been Colin Wadsworth - C.P., but possibly his family were the first residents, before him. I believe it was G.B. Wadsworth who had the house built.
Checking the Goole Cemetery Monumental Inscriptions (Boothferry Family and Local History Group publications), Vol. 1 contains their entry - Colin Pearson W. died August 29th 1969, aged 82 years.
Their home was between Studer's and the Vicarage.
Posted by David Lea-Jackson at 19/05/2007 21:47
I would like to thank each of you for coming back with the answers to the many seemingless quistions that I put to you.May I say that I never get bored when on your site.
Posted by Fiona Moate at 11/06/2007 18:38
I found the site by accident too. I have found it fascinating to read about memories of people I remember growing up in the 1960s.
I remember Captain Laverack, my Grandma telling me about his burns. He used to walk a wire haired terrier on the bank, it was called Jack. My Grandma was called Bertha Barrow and lived in Belize house on Hook Road over looking the river. My grandfather Fred Barrow was manager of AHL shipping in the 1950s. I have a lot of photos of the sinking of the SS Aire.
My Father was Fred Moate; he died in September 2006. He did a lot of experimental drama in Goole in the 1960s, producing plays for the Vermuyden players. They won a lot of festivals.

Concerning the gazebo on the river bank; it was part of Studer's house River Lodge. It had gone before I was born, but I think I have pictures of family members there as they knew the Studers.
Posted by pedro at 13/06/2007 09:16
I remember Fred Barrow well,during his working years for AHL.Also remember my pre sailing days as one of the Richard Cooper St urchins running errands for his wife.A lovely lady who invited me for tea on one occassion remember climbing up the steps (sadly now the house converted into apartments) Also recall his daughters especially Margaret cant for the life of me remember the name of the second daughter.Ahh happy days.
Posted by Fiona Moate at 13/06/2007 19:37
To Pedro: Margaret Barrow was my Mother. She died in 1999 she was one of the UKs oldest surviving diabetics at the time. Her sister is called Anne and is still alive as is her elder brother Michael.

I was really sorry when the house on Hook Road was sold. I spent a lot of time with my Grandparents and the house was wonderful for a child to play in and so full of history. I was very angry the developers ripped out all the fireplaces, stained glass and the amazing Victorian bathroom, complete with a delft blue style loo that I loved and was always proudly taking my school friends to see.

Sadly Goole has never really gets a grip on it's history till its too late
Posted by pedro at 13/06/2007 21:16
To:Fiona Very sorry to hear your mum passed away as a teenager she had many friends in RC St area the riverside park was our playground many of us also attending the same schools etc.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 16/06/2007 08:57
Sadly, this town loses all its talents, for good reasons, until it is too late to find enough of them around who appreciate the values of another age and prepared to take on the "modernisers".
If nothing else remains but history, this site is the right repository for the memories. What I remember about that house - and mentally add it when I pass by - is the glasshouse - long before Urban Splash saw the benefits of such additions in Manchester.
Posted by Fiona Moate at 18/06/2007 18:52
The glasshouse as you put it was the former conservatory that had been roofed and was used as a kitchen. What a kitchen! But a bit hot in a heat wave when the oven and Aga were both on.

The views over the river were fantastic, watching the ships come in while you were having a meal! You take things for granted while they are happening and miss them as time goes by.
Posted by Shuffleton Streets at 19/06/2007 08:06
Sorry about the "glasshouse" - conjures up incarceration. I hesitated to use conservatory cos it is so over-worked and modern extensions are twee by comparison with that lived-in space that became your family kitchen.

A developer of any quality would see that it is quite possible to re-capture just those same river views, once land has been grabbed along Hook Road, but I doubt that new builds will have any panache, never mind Victorian splendours.
Posted by David Lea-Jackson at 23/06/2007 19:32
Fiona,
As a small boy one memory I have about"THE HOUSE" was the fireplace in the lounge.I remember looking up it and wondering if I could climb it.
David l-j
Posted by peter winton at 08/07/2007 12:58
some memorable times as a kid in percy street old goole and later in goole . but then better times followed , i married the beauty im still happy with, and moved away to the east coast .
we dont get back much so cant say we miss you goole .
Posted by Pete at 07/08/2007 17:06
Now Gordon Brown says local councils have to build more affordable homes.Will Richard Cooper St and Phoenix St get a reprieve as a few thousand Quid spent here will be far cheaper than building more council houses that is if we can find land to build them on.
Posted by family seaker at 27/08/2007 18:47
Help!! any one any infomation on Cawkwell families in 1820's-18-30's In Goole? ( esp if an Elizabeth in family) Or even John Dailes wine merchant, commision agent and general finger in every pie of Aire street
Posted by Robert Ward at 29/08/2007 16:30
I have an Elizabeth Cawkwell nee Young, born Cowick 1823, married William Cawkhill or Cawkwell at Rawcliffe 1847, lived in Leeds for a while, then back, died Rawcliffe 1905.
Posted by caroline at 04/09/2007 21:01
just been browsing through messages hey what a lot of history you folk should put this down on paper and leave it at Goole Library or join the local history group in goole because info can soon be lost Should know we are doing family tree and tracking info down with added work to find out about where they lived and how they lived . with not many relatives living takes a lot of time
Posted by andrew cawthorn at 04/09/2007 23:14
I am researching my Cawthorn family history, my great grandfather Samual kay cawthorn lived in hook and was a mariner by trade.
His father was Whittle Brown Cawthorn
In 1894 he was awarded a French maritime bravery medal for saving a life off the port of Bologne.
I am led to beleive that there was another member of the family who also received this award possibly Whittle Brown but this information is sketchy.
The citation states that he was on the steamer 'Kirkheaton'.
Was this ship registered in Goole as I have drawn a blank so far.
Posted by pedro at 05/09/2007 09:37
For Andrew
the Kirkheaton was built in 1881 for Wm France of Goole by Hodgson Soulsby of Blyth Northumberland.Later renamed the Antonio she was in a collision and beached on Noja Beach 1925
My Great grandfather was William Brown Cawthorn (mariner) born Knottingly 1850.His son Whittle Brown Cawthorn born 1875 at Poole Dorset (mariner) was my Grandfather he died in Goole around 1955.
for more info on Cawthorn family leave email address and I can point you in the right direction.
Posted by andrew cawthorn at 05/09/2007 22:14
Pedro, thanks for the prompt responce to my query.
From the research that I have so far on my family history I beleive that my GG Grandfather Whittle Brown Cawthorn was born in 1846 and he had a younger brother William Brown born in 1850.Any pointers that you can give me in researching my family history would be appreciated.
Posted by Tricia at 13/09/2007 14:08
I have several mariners in my tree and I was wondering what they actually do! Can any one tell me when the docks area was redeveloped and when the housing there was demolished.
Posted by Robert Ward at 19/09/2007 15:32
Tricia
I think the houses around the docks and the Bridge Street area gradually disappeared over a number of decades. I guess that the Barge Dock Side, South Street and Doyle Street houses would have gone first. I believe quite a few people moved across town to the Kent Road area in the 1930s, but there were still people in parts of Albert Street into the 1960s where my mother used to go to a hairdresser called Mrs Langton.
Posted by pete at 20/09/2007 13:13
And obviously mariners were seamen
Posted by David Lea-Jackson at 23/09/2007 17:53
I have recently been looking through my collection of old photo's and papers and I got to wondering if there is any one old enough,long in the tooth etc;who might have remembered my dad,he was on the Bank boats all his short life with the exception of a short spell as 1st mate with my g/f Joseph Lea on the Lowland.
Two further names have sprung to mind.The first is Eric Hewerth,he was my dads best man,I have a feeling he crossed the bar sometime ago.The other is some one who was always reffered to as "Twink"Spink.I know this gentleman survived capture by the Japanese and returned to Goole at the end of hostilities,my mother saw him occasionally but lost touch when she moved away."Twink" and my parents were great friends prior to the war,or so I was told.
Posted by pedro at 26/09/2007 22:23
Spoke with my brother today hes in his late 80s.He remembers a twinky spink who was in the army and took at the fall of Singapore.He later worked at Fisons factory after the war married someone called Holborough or Elborough.He lived near my Bro in Belverdere Crecent until his death about four years ago if this is the same chap.
Posted by David lea-Jackson at 27/09/2007 14:03
Pedro my friend,
Thank your brother for me.It's a fact of life that no one person needs reminding that none of us are immortal.The Twinky Spink referred to was the one, which only compounds an awareness of the need for people to put,not only their memories to print but to do their level best to remain intouch with family and friends whilst we are able.
On this occasion not having been in Goole since the year 2000 I feel that had I made the effort I might have been able to make contact with Twink at that time.
Such is life,Thank you again,
David L-J
Posted by Patricia at 13/11/2007 18:33
After a long absence I'm back: to answer SStreets question about my connection with the Rollinsons... I'm related to the Purvis family who lived in Clifton Gardens and I think a member of the Rollinson family married a Purvis..... I'm interested in anything connected with the Purvis family. I would also like to know any connection with traders and the docks area. My great grandfather Purvis was very wealthy and his son married a poor lass from the docks area - how might they have met when their socio-economic groups would have been worlds apart? Any guesses??
Posted by Adrian Black at 14/11/2007 17:37
In response to Pedro who entered a comment on 25/03/2006 at 22:13. Pedro, Can I ask you about Frank Drury?
When did you know him and what was it he did? Do you know his age roughly? I only ask as my Father was a Frank Drury, he was born in Hull in 1930 but sadly died in 1998. I am curious to know if it is the same man. If there is anything that you can tell me I would be grateful.
Posted by Robbert Ward at 14/11/2007 20:41
re Frank Drury. My Dad used to talk of Frank Drury who became a pilot. They grew up together in Brough Street. Amongst his childhood stories was one of a rowing boat in which he and Frank used to play on the river. Can you imagine how the authorities would regard that now? They eventually had to abandon it on Westfield Banks "island" (before it was a true island) when a strong tide washed them up river. When they went back it had completely disappeared. However, as my Dad was born in 1921, I think this was probably a different Frank Drury to the one born in 1930.
Posted by Tricia at 14/11/2007 21:20
David L-J
I have posted you a note on the other site - Genealogy - and my address is patricia.honour57(at)googlemail.com
Posted by Patricia at 14/11/2007 21:29
TO SStreets again..Just read your comments on the docks page and you said that you used to visit the Acaster family..I'm wondering if they are rellies of mine. My gggrandmother was Elizabeth Acaster. Can you help?
Posted by Pedro at 14/11/2007 22:55
Re-Frank Drury ABT 1930
Was chief officer with AHL I sailed with him on the SS Alt about 1952 red hair very slim chap.I believe at the time he was living in
or around the Reedness area certainly one of the local villages.
Posted by pedro at 14/11/2007 23:05
Patricia re-social mixes most affluent buisness men of Goole held meetings in the Sydney hotel and the Lowther maybe on one of these occassions a pretty bar-maid caught his eye.Purvis I remember were potatoe merchants situated adjacent to the railway station
Posted by Adrian Black at 15/11/2007 17:18
Hello Pedro,
Thansk for that. My dad used to say that he was a chief petty officer in the royal navy, but I have since found out that thsi was not entirely accurate. He was prone to embellishing the truth at times that suited him. He never had red hair, it was always thick and black. I have begun to think though that the absence of any grey over the years may have been more to do with hair cair products than good genetics. I wonder if he could have had red hair and dyed it.
He had ancestors from the Goole area. I know that his grandfathr charles drury was born in Giolberdyke in 1873 and his father Benjamin Drury was born just outside Goole in 1840. The place was called Howden as I recall. Is there anything else you can tell me about Frank?
I may have been born and bred as a Londoner but I do know that my ancestry is in East Yorkshire and I am strangely proud of that. Thanks for your help
A
Posted by Patricia at 15/11/2007 18:47
Hi Pedro - thanks very much!! Robert Purvis Potato merchant is my gr grandfather so if you have any memories or pictures ( or anyone who can) etc I would be grateful. Thanks!
Posted by corby bunting at 19/11/2007 13:51
To pedro. For the first time I tried Movers and Shakers and find it mind blowing. It's like coming home again. I can put faces to so many names. Although I never spent much time down your street only to raid your bonfire coming up to the day and ultimately to have it stolen back. My mate John Appleyard lived down there and we have kept in touch. All the people and the dates inform me that I must have known you. You may have known my cousin Tommy Dunwell. After leaving school he was found an apprenticeship with Smith Bros, like me. But he upset his mum and dad by running off to sea. His first ship being the Alt. We have exchanged emails and photos. Some of his stories about growing up in Goole are great. We share the same grandmother in Annie Taylor. Both her parents were water way people Thomas Taylor hailed from Barnsley and his wife Mary Jeff of Mexborough. Annie also had a sister Hannah who married Charlie Shipley. One of the children of Charlies 2nd marriage was Harry Shipley the famous milkman of Hook. I'd better stop here as I must leave room for others.
Posted by pedro at 20/11/2007 00:15
Corby yes our paths must have crossed. I knew J Appleyard very well he I believe ended up working for the power company at Drax power station. I also served on the SS Alt. Knew Tommy also on board was Eddie Binnington and Walt Duffy. My mothers side of our family were Cawthorns all mariners and canal boatmen in fact my grandmother was a Taylor Edith but her dad (I'm just researching) was Edward Taylor mariner engineer but I believe was originally from Hull. 1901 census shows him living in Dunhill Road Goole. Shipley the milkman from Hook delivered by pony and trap down our street. Happy days
Posted by corby bunting at 20/11/2007 15:59
Pedro. I was sorry to hear what happened to Eddie Binnington. Like other friends Alan "Ace" Fielder and Alan Bedford. Taken too soon. Thomas Taylor married Mary Jeff at Goole parish church 1850. Thomas bled to death in Goole docks when his leg was trapped between his vessel and the dockside April 1871. another person you may have known was my uncle Billy Ash/ Tug, Tenacity during the war and in later days Abbey boats. I have tried contacting his two daughters who are still in Goole. But their husbands refuse to let me. One of these men informed me that my grandmother Annie Taylor carried a gene that is transmitted to all the female line of my family which is responsible for early onset of Altziemers disease. This I know to be untrue for my two sisters reached a good age and both were bright as buttons I am sorry to touch on such a morbid subject. But I believe in my grand mothers innocence and need to put the record straight. I promise to write a more light hearted subject next time
Posted by Tricia at 23/11/2007 16:54
Pedro, I would love to know more about life as a mariner and canal boatman. A branch of my family lived on the water and several were mariners.
Posted by pedro at 23/11/2007 21:02
Tricia I had five uncles all ex mariners then canal and river boatmen (bargees) I myself went to sea at 15yrs of age.On one occassion the ship I was on came into Hull from west africa with a cargo of cocoa and coffee beans. the barges loaded from our ship into my uncles barges these in turn went up river to York (Rowntrees factory) During the early 1950s the river Ouse was a hive of activity a tug would sometimes tow as many as 8 or more barges up river to various ports.The other canal transport would enter Goole locks and proceed along the canal to Leeds Sheffield Knottingley etc.
Posted by pedro at 23/11/2007 21:16
Some of the local barge companys in my youth. Woods of York
G.D Holmes Goole/ Bleasedales Goole/ Harkers Knottingley (tankers) Eastwood Goole. and numerous privately owned vessels with the family on board some indeed born on the vessels.(a sort of water Gypsy) in later years for various reasons schooling etc many took up residence in Richard Cooper and Phoenix st area.
Posted by Stuart - Webmaster at 24/11/2007 00:31
Tricia, there's a good book called 'The Ramblings of a Boatman' by A.L. Hill which describes working life on the Aire & Calder Navigation and Humber from the 1940's to 90's. It's out of print, but you may be able to find a copy on the Internet.
Posted by corby bunting at 02/12/2007 22:21
to Stuart. I have tied in vain using the internet for the book "Ramblings of a Boatman" Have you seen this book for sale recently?
Posted by Jayne Webb at 05/09/2009 20:50
Does anyone remember Joseph and Beattie (Beatrice) Anson of Ferry Farm, Howdendyke, in the 1920's-1950's?
Many thanks
Jayne
Love the site
Posted by emmo at 01/09/2011 11:26
dose anyone have any history on goole hall and dose the name lockwood mean anything in conection with goole hall
Posted by Trudy Jay Fallon at 27/04/2012 14:14
John Beeman Smithson was my Great Grandfather, the chimney sweep, tinsmith and scrap merchant who married my Great Grandmother, Edith Mary Smithson. They lived together in Estcourt Street where he owned a rag and bone yard before moving to 52 Richard Cooper Street, Goole in the 1920's, where they lived until he passed away in August 1955. John and Edith reared a pig in their backyard and the residents of Richard Cooper Street would take their scraps of food to feed the pig until it was ready to be harvested. My G.Grandfather would then distribute the meat to the residents who had helped to feed it and a feast was had by all! My G.Grandmother was a very stern, stiff upper lipped lady who had her own wooden chair, pride of place, adjacent to the wood burner in the Queen Victoria public house on Hook Road, Goole. There she could be found sat smoking an old Warden pipe. It's said, that locals would not dare to sit in this chair for fear of the wrath of Edith Mary, my great gran! The ladies would also congregate in the Burlington Cresent for a tipple whilst sat in the Snug. John and Edith had six children; John, Billy, Owen, Sam, George Henry (my Grandfather) and Mary. Sam and my Grandad were both boxers known as; Sam *Boy* Smithson and *Sonny Boy* Smithson. If anyone can remember any of my family members or have any stories and info they can share, I'd be very grateful.
Posted by George Morfett at 29/08/2012 16:21
Interesting reading about Goole..particularly Richard Cooper Street and the docks. Although I lived in London, I visited my Gran and Grandad, who lived at 14 Richard Cooper St, when I was about 8 to 16 years old..that is about 1954 on, My Uncle..can't remember his name now, piloted a fresh water barge delivering water to the ships in the docks. He took me with him on several occasions, when I would board the ships while he was filling the tanks with fresh water. I also had another Uncle who was diver, (the old rubber suit with brass helmet and lead boot type,) apparently repairing the dock gates. My Gran and Grandad (Jessie and Ernest Smith) were that longest married couple in Goole. 76 years I believe. The they had gas light mantles in the house and a radio that ran off a car battery..modern technology then. Visited the street some years ago..only a few people were living there, the remaining houses being boarded up and falling to bits. I still have cousins there, but where I don't know. If this happens to revive a contact with any of them, my Mum was born in Goole...Anne Morfett, who had several Sisters and Brothers who lived and died there, with offsprings who will be my Cousins.
My email is gmfiresafety@hotmail.com...Mmm would be nice.
Posted by Paul at 30/08/2012 21:21
For Emmo 1/09/11.
Only a year late regarding your query on Goole Hall.The bulding is listed Grade 2* and built in 1826.For details of the listing text google "goole Hall" (use the inverted commas) and go to the website Listed buildings on line/British Listed Buildings. At the top click search and in the Listed building postcode search put DN14 8AU (don't leave out the space between 4 and 8 or you'll get no results).Sorry it's a bit long winded but can't do links.
The text is really about the architectural details that led to it being listed and only mentions 2 names neither of which are Lockwood.
Posted by emmo at 17/12/2012 14:44
thanks paul
Posted by Gill Cawthorn at 29/03/2013 21:02
I have been reading all the back comments and have just noticed one from `Pedro`, dated 21/3/2006.He mentions that his great-grandfather was Thomas Cawthorn, Master Mariner, who lived in Richard Cooper Street, and previously in James Street. If there are any descendants of this family, you may be interested to know that my husband, aged 84, is the last surviving grandchild of Thomas. The generation gap is huge because my husband was born of a second marriage, when his father was 58.I know there were daughters of Thomas, Sarah Jane Schmidt and Elizabeth Flowers (I think);possibly one of these was Pedro`s Grandmother
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