Goole on the Web
This site is meant to be taken tongue in cheek

Adlingfleet

Visitor Comments

Posted by Martin Wood at 20/01/2006 08:10
For many centuries the Manor of Haldenby and also lands at Haldenby Park, Ousefleet, Fockerby, Eastoft and Swinfleet belonged to members of the More family - descendants of Sir Thomas More. They came into the family via the marriage of his only son, John, to Anne Cresacre. They remained in the possession of the More family until the early 1800's.
Does anyone know anything more about this?
Posted by Brenda ex Rose Cottage at 07/07/2007 02:26
Still a lovely little village though! can't beat it in my opinion!
Posted by Ken Toone at 25/09/2007 18:50
My daughter and her husband now own Haldenby Park in Luddington and I am very interested in tracing the history of the building, which I believe dates back to the 1750's.
Any help would be much appreciated.

Regards.
Posted by jane hill at 28/10/2007 10:24
to ken toone. my father's name is michael haldenby hill and could probably help you. i know that the last remaining haldenby was dorothy and she emigrated to canada as did my parents in the sixties for a few years. they now live in cornwall. he is a direct descendent of the haldenby's and even knows of the notorious card game when the hall was lost on a single hand! try him at mikeandpaulinehill@btinternet.com
Posted by Michael John Haldenby Hill at 08/11/2007 10:24
To Ken Toone
Information that I can give you regards Haldenby Park is that the story which was passed down to me is that Baron de Haldenby came over with William the Conqueror and had the estates around Haldenby Park,Haldenby Manor and Haldenby Hall.One of my ancestors Sir Francis lies in the Church at Adlingfleet.Thomas Haldenby(my great grandfather )was a shipwright at Burton upon Stather and later ran the Scarborough Steam Packet.He had three sons and a daughter(my Grandmother) two sons emigrated to Canada and had no sons the other son Frederick Haldenby had a daughter and her daughter now lives in Holton le Clay.The Haldenby name lives on in my Grandson Luke John Haldenby-Hill.
Posted by chris haldenby at 19/02/2008 22:49
my last name is haldenby and i am very interested in tracing any family history my grandfarther was called thomas and was from the hull area this is as far back as i can get so far my family is living in the scarborough area anyone with any infomation it will be gladly received
Posted by Jonathan Joy at 18/03/2008 19:18
To Ken Toone, I wonder if you are interested. I have an old jug
a bit battered, but it is inscribed Haldenby Lee in gold script. You can always contact me should you like it!
Posted by Patrick Wilton at 04/06/2008 14:26
Hello everyone
My mothers family is Haldenby, our family came to Ontario Canada in 1835. Coming from Whitgift(Adlingflete). We have since spread across North America, in the 1980's we compilied a 3 inch book of descendents...continuing this research, I spent many years studying the medieval Haldenby lineage.
We start with Robertus De Haldenby with his wife Margerita and son Robert (of the 1379 poll tax)...
It is interesting, apart from thier own wealth, lands ect. they were heirs from some of the great crusaders and families ect...namley the De Lovetots, De Furnivals De Useflete and Ferribys ect.
The family, well educated and many have held administration, started to lose thier prominence early in the 17th century. This is when Robert of Haldenby, Swinefleet and Swanland(gg-sonx2 of Francis) lost possession.
Haldenby(in Adlingflete) was the residence of General Healfden(Halfdane).. According to the Anglo Saxon Chronicle A.D. 876, General Halfdane and the Danish Army "divided the land of the Northumbrians; so that they became afterwards thier harrowers and plowers" the same year Rollo the Dane penetrated Normandy.
Its a good possibility that Robertus De Haldenby is a direct descendent of General Haldane.
Posted by ian.goldthorpe at 12/06/2008 12:18
Haldenby Park House

Listed Grade II - the list description refers to a house built in the mid to late 18th century with later 18th and 19th century alterations. The house stands in a parkland setting on the north bank of the former River Don. The Park is shown on Jeffrey's map of Yorkshire of 1775.

Built for the Gee family the building is in brick, stuccoed with Westmoorland slates on the roof over the earlier part.

Luddington churchyard and church contain late 18th and early 19th century monuments to the Gee family.
Posted by MIke Haldenby at 14/06/2008 23:43
I too am a Haldenby (!) and it seems that there are still many Haldenbys in the Hull / East Yorks area where the name seems to have come from. I was interested in the half-dane theory- is that possible?
Posted by J T Salkeld at 03/11/2008 21:18
To Ken Toone,
Did you find a way to contact Jonathon Joy? My wife's family worked around Haldenby Park in the early 1800's and they named their first son Haldenby Lee. I wonder if there is a connection with the jug that Jonathon mentioned?
Posted by steve haldenby at 26/12/2008 09:51
Hi

My name is Steve Haldenby - I am Beverley born-and bred! I have traced myself back to William Haldenby who married Elizabeth Lindley in Luddington on 14/11/1699. I suspect William was descended from a Simon Haldenby of Luddington in early 1600s. Only just got started tree building. Got a lot of Haldenby history up to start of 17th century - but can't yet find link through the 1600s. Love to hear from anyone (esp. Michael John Haldenby Hill or Patrick Wilton) who could maybe fill in gaps I'd also be keen to know how the Richard Haldenby who was at Agincourt (along with one of the Usfletes) fits in! Contact me on scaaty_18@hotmail.co.uk. Look forward to hearing from anyone!!!
Posted by Catrin Ashton at 12/04/2009 15:54
I have a Haldenby Lee in my ancestry, born at Haldenby Park in 1797. I would be interested in getting in touch with the person who put the post about his wife's family and also the guy with the jug!
Posted by Carl Whittaker at 30/04/2009 14:10
I have just started researching the Scott family and discovered that my Great grandmother was Hannah Elizabeth Haldenby who married Charles Marsden on 19/10/1908 in the parish of Burley in the county of Leeds should anyone have any information regarding that side of the Haldenby family from 1908 onwards.
Posted by Paul Haldenby at 03/06/2009 21:30
Another Haldenby here as well. My father's family came from Hull, although I think my great grandfather moved there from Lincolnshire. I had heard he had a number of brothers so if anyone has anything that links to a Charles Haldenby in the Sculcoates area I would be fascinated to know more.
Posted by raymond e.o.ella at 22/07/2009 20:56
haldenby,useflete,furnival and ella pedigrees at beverley archives,yorkshire.
Posted by John Monteith at 01/08/2009 19:15
Haldenby Lee born 1796/7 was my g-g-g-g'father. I believe his parents to be Nicholas Lee and Mary Stapp. Happy to share what I know about his family - would be delighted to learn more.
Posted by Patricia Jones nee Scutt at 05/08/2009 19:37
My grandfather Edward Scutt was the landlord of the Cross Keys from 1924 to 1938 when he moved across the road to Rose Cottage. He also owned the Wesleyan chapel which he used as a workshop because he was a carpenter and joiner. One of the outbuildings of Rose Cottage he used as a blacksmiths forge.
Posted by Catrin Ashton at 11/08/2009 14:37
Hi John,
It would appear we are cousins. Are you on Ancestry or Genes Reunited? If so I could give you access to my tree.
Catrin
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 27/08/2009 15:22
There are 2 pre-Tudor coats-of-arms for the Haldenby family inside Adlingfleet parish church. 8 quarterings thus:
Top from left on shields:
Haldenby/Haldenbie, .......?. Usflete/Useflet, Furnival/Furnivall.
Bottom from left: Ferriby?, Luddington, Ella/Ellay, Wentworth.
There are other early phonetic or variant scribe-forms of these surnames and indeed many others.
One of these 2 coats-of-arms shows the Haldenby's first crest on top of the shield. It is a knight's helmet with an arm coming out of the top holding a cup. The pre-Tudor family motto was "The Divine Toast".
The later second family crest was a black swan and only 6 quarterings on the coat-of-arms, Ella and Wentworth missing.
Kind regards,
Raymond E.O.Ella.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella. at 19/09/2009 22:25
Information on members of the Haldenby and Usflete families:
find Swanland History Group on the internet. They have a book on their village from Medieval to Stuart periods with a coat-of-arms on the coverpage that should be of interest,!.
Regard,
Aelle.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 20/11/2009 14:27
Regarding a previous message:
There is a brass stall-plate for one of the Sir Miles Stapletons in St.George's Chapel, Windsor. There are some for Beauchamp and one of them has a quartering for the Ufflete/Usflete family on the coat-of-arms, a Cathrine/Katherine de-Usflete having married a William Beauchamp of Powyk.

Kind regards,
Raymond E.O.Ella.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 20/11/2009 14:44
Extra:
In St.Mary's Church, in the centre of Oxford, there is a stone slab for 'MAGISTER GUALTERUS DEULFEET LAC HIC, DEUS anima misereatus'.This is a base-mixture of old Norman-French and indeed is for a 'Walter de-Uflete'.
It has been moved a few times and now placed at the very back of the chancel, but some wording is now in poor condition.

Kind regards,
Raymond E.O.Ella.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 20/11/2009 15:08
More on Ufflete/Usflete (other variants):
In Lacock Parish Church, Wiltshire, there is the Baynard family monument and there are various quartered coats-of-arms, two being for Stapleton and Ufflete/Usflete.

Kind regards,
Raymond E.O.Ella.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 20/11/2009 15:56
Ufflete/Usflete (etc.):
In the Parish Church, Cheltenham, once belonging to the nunnery of Sion, there is the Lygon monument with quartered coats-of-arms, two being for Furnival and Ufleet (another variant of this early surname).

Kind regards,
Mr.& Mrs. Raymond E.O.Ella.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 21/11/2009 15:25
More from Raymond E.O.Ella on Usflete (other early variant or phonetic scribe-forms):

Kirby Stephen Church, Cumbria:
WARTON monument:
3 quartered coats-of-arms are for Furnival, Ufflett and Stapleton.

Note: The Usflete (other variants) coats-of-arms quartered by other families are "remnants", i.e., often quartered long after the main Yorkshire branch of the Usflete family became extinct on the paternal descent.

Kind regards,
Mr. & Mrs. Raymond & Marie Ella.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 22/11/2009 15:42
Regarding the Haldenby shields in Adlingfleet parish church: When the historian J.Hunter cited the various quarterings (or someone else on his behalf) for his book on areas what he called South Yorkshire, there was a confusion on the heraldic usage of "dancettee (dancetty, etc.)" and "indented", so instead of citing the 7th quartering (or 3rd on the bottom row from left to right) for ELLA, it was wrongly cited for CORBRIDGE.
The "dancettee" is a dancing/zigzaged line/band and mainly has 3 top points/peaks and the "indented" line/band differs. The ELLA family coat-of-arms is: 'Sable a fess dancettee surmounted of 3 fleur-de-lis Or'., and included on the Haldenby quarterings via the Usflete one, Usflete also having 3 fleur-de-lis on but in another order and tinctures.
Kind regards,
Mr.& Mrs.Raymond & Marie Ella.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 22/11/2009 17:07
Regading the early Usflete (other variants) family:
For more information on them, type Raymond E.O.Ella in a www.google.co.uk searchbox and click. This should locate some pages on the Usflete family.

Kind regards,
Mr.& Mrs. Raymond & Marie Ella.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 23/11/2009 21:17
Regarding St.Mary's Church in the centre of Oxford:

My previous message about the grey stone slab, i.e., an epitaph to Walter de-Ulfleet (other variants) in said church should have included the following: 'MESTRE WALTER DEULFLEET GIST? YCI? DEUESA ALME CYT? MERCY'
It is this that is a base mixture (but some letters now missing) of early Norman-Frence script, indeed the earlier message was in Latin, Gualterus meaning Walter.

Kind regards,
Mr.& Mrs.Raymond & Marie Ella.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 27/11/2009 20:15
Another for Ufflete (etc.):
West Twyford Parish Church (the one in old Middlesex county):
MOYLE family monument:
7th and 8th quarterings on the Moyle family coat-of-arms are for Ufflete/Usflete (etc.) and Furnival.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 29/11/2009 18:16
More on Usflete/Ufflete (etc,):
On a 15th century heraldic illuminated manuscript:
Sir John Beauchamp. Arms: quarterly: 1 & 4 Gules a fess Or, between 6 martlets (3,3) of the second: 2 & 3 [Usflete/Ufflete] Argent, on a fess Azure 3 fleur-de-lis Or. The shield: ensigned with a nobleman's helm. Crest:Issuant out of a ducal coronet Gules, a swan's head Argent, beaked of the first 2 sets of wings addorsed Sable. Mantling: Gules doubled Ermine.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 30/11/2009 16:31
St.Nicholas Church, Alcaster, Warwickshire:
Alter-tomb with effigies of Sir Falke Greville, died 1559 or 1560, and Lady Elizabeth (Willoughby) his wife, died 1562, or 1565:
At the foot of the tomb (1) a shield with quartering of Greville arms, (2) a lozenge with 20 Willoughby quarterings and between them (3) a small shield for Beauchamp quartering Usflete/Ufflete.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr. & Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 01/12/2009 09:27
Note:
Alcaster is now Alcester.

Regards,
Raymond & Marie.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 02/12/2009 13:03
Usflete/Ufflete quartering on Sir John Beauchamp of Powyk's (Powick, etc.) stall-plate in St.George's Chapel, Windsor:
Often regarded has being made of brass, but indeed it is made of silvered copper like most if not all the stall-plates. It has a narrow gilted border bearing Arms, quaterly: 1 & 4, Gules (red) a fess and 6 martlets (birds) Or (gold), (for Beauchamp of Powyk) ; 2 & 3, Argent (silver) on a fess Azure (blue) 3 fleur-de-lis (3 flowers of the lily) Or (gold), this for Usflete/Ufflete. The helm is garnished with gold and covered with a red mantling, branched with gold and lined with the fur Ermine. Crest: a swan's head in silver, beaked red, wings black, issuing from a red crown. In the base is a gold scroll with the name/title: 'John.Lord.Beauchamp'.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella, esq. at 02/12/2009 13:23
Further regarding Sir John Beauchamp of Powyk's silvered copper stall-plate in St.George's Chapel, Windsor:
Other Beauchamp coats-of-arms have another blazon.
Quatered is "quartered", and even though a coat-of-arms may have more than 4 quarters on a shield for other connected families, in heraldry they are still called quarterings, i.e. other families coats-of-arms being quartered on another family's main shield.
The colours are called "tinctures" because there are also metals and furs and other forms of garnishment.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 04/12/2009 18:19
East Riding of Yorkshire Archives, Beverley:
Mrs.Christian Smith Documents:
There are amongst these documents some for the Usflet (other variants) family during the 13th and 14th centuries, etc., e.g., one being archive number: DDCS/25/6, year 1351. This mentions Dame Isabel Usflet, widow of Gerard Usflet [the first one] and mother of Gerard Usflet [the second one], etc.
Isabel Usflet [Isabella de-Ella/Ellay] is also mentioned being a widow Dowager of [the first] Gerard Usflet and mother of [the second] Gerard Usflet in some 'Placita De Banco Rolls' (Common Pleas) at the National Archives (once titled The Public Record Office).
The third Sir Gerard Usflet/Ufflett took with him to France a small troop of lancers and archers for King Henry V and one of the battles they took part in was at Agincourt. He lived after, yet died in France later in the year 1420.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 05/12/2009 10:03
Isabella de-Ellay (Isabel de-Ella) is listed for Whitgift/Ousefleet in the Yorkshire Poll Tax for year 1379. She paid the tax because she was widowed. Note: often ladies, be they widowed or not, still used their family name (maiden-surname) for various reasons and some started to use their maiden-surname after they were widowed for reasons such as inheritance, etc.
She was, however, Dame Isabella de-Usflet, widow and Dowager of the first Sir Gerard de-Usflet (other variants).

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 11/12/2009 08:52
Lay Subsidy (Poll-Tax) for Adlingfleet, year 1379:
Nicholaus (Nicholas) Oufflet (Usflete/Ufflete, etc.), Isabella, uxor (wife), ejus, ffrankeleyn (franklin, a freeholder of a large amount of land/property), xl.d.
This Nicholas was related to widow Isabella de-Ellay/Ella of nearby Whitgift.
............................
St.Mary Magdalene Parish Church, just over the border from Ousefleet village sign: on one of 3 bells there is/was the name Tho[mas] Ella, Ch[urch] Warden, year 1792.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 14/12/2009 08:25
Selby Abbey, Yorkshire: Tomb of Margery de-Pickworth's effigy holds in one hand a small shield for Usflete/Ufflete. She had been widowed to Sir Walter de-Usflete. There is also a tomb for her second husband Hugh de-Pickworth, he having held the manor of "Elley/Ellay/Ella" (Kirk Ella, earlier Elveley) jointly with Sir ..........Ellay/Ella.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 14/12/2009 09:21
More on Selby Abbey:
When I was on a visitation to this Abbey some years ago, I also noticed a tomb that was screened-off from visitors. It had been in the past bady mutilated. There are hammer, mace and sword marks on this tomb. On close examination there is no-doubt that this was an effort to disguise who the tomb was for.

Kind regards,
Raymond E.O.Ella.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 14/12/2009 14:37
Yorkshire Archaeological Society Journal, vol.V111 (v.10), published in 1884, page 2:
Normanton Parish Church [in Yorkshire]: HIC : IACET: DNS: WILLS: DE:USFLETE: NU(?):RECTOR: HVI' : ECCE: P?: CVI: AIA: DICETIB: PR: ET: AVE: XL:DIES: INDVLGECIE: COCE: DVT: QI: OBIIT: III : DIE: MAYI:A': DNI: M':CCC:L:XX:

The above inscription is/was inside Normantion Church and is for the Rector named William de-Usflete.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 14/12/2009 14:46
Normanton (once scribed "Normantion, etc.) Church is the 'All Saints Parish Church'.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 18/12/2009 14:35
A short Usflete pedigree compiled by using mss in the National Archives (Placita De Banco Rolls/Common Pleas) and the Mrs.Christian Smith Documents at the East Riding of Yorkshire Archives, Beverley (ref. DDCS/5/1 and DDCS/25/1 to 6):They are 14th century (1300s):

Robert de-Useflet was father to Sir Walter de-Useflet. He and his wife Margery had Sir John de-Useflet who married Loretta (Lora) de-Furnival, daughter of Sir Gerard de-Furnivall (Furnival) of Swanland. John and Lora had [the first] Sir Gerard de-Useflet who married Dame Isabel [Dowager Isabella de-Ellay/Ella] who had [the second] Sir Gerard de-Useflet [he may have married more than once]. This [second] Sir Gerard de-Useflet had a son who was [the third] Sir Gerard de-Useflet.
This is a more true Useflete (other early scribe-forms) pedigree than those with errors compiled later and indeed those from the 16th century.
Kind regards,
Raymond E.O.Ella.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 22/12/2009 12:15
Scotland in the year 1298, documents relating to the campaign of King Edward 1st, The Battle of Falkirk (edited by H.Gough, printed in 1888 by A.Gardner, publishers to Her Majesty the Queen [Victoria]:
There is a mention in the mss of Johannes (John) de-Useflet, Hugo (Hugh) de-Pikeworthe (Pickworth), Brianus (Brian) de-Jay, he being Preceptor Grand-Master of the Knights Templar in England and Scotland (killed fighting for the English), Andrea (Andrew) de-Elle (Ella), Stephanus (Stephen) de-Elleye (Ella).
These others were also on the English side.
Hugh de-Pickworth held the manor of Elveley (Elley/Ellay/Ella, later Kirk Ella) jointly with Sir.Ella, knight.
Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 22/12/2009 14:33
Note:before Robert the Bruce's supremacy over Scotland and the English there, parts of Scotland, e.g., Midlothian areas were under English rule and amongst the Scottish Knights Templar Order there were English Templars, one example being a John de-Huseflete (Husflete/Usflet) who was Preceptor Master from 1304 to 1306 at Balantrodoch (now called the village of Temple) near Roslyne (Roslin) and Rosewell, below Edinburgh.
Extra note: the Hollywood film "Braveheart" makes some people wrongly conclude that William Wallace was called Braveheart, but it was a proud nickname given later to Robert the Bruce by his men.
Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 15/01/2010 17:46
The English aristocracy at war: from the Welsh wars of Edward 1st to the Battle of Bannockburn, by (Dr.) David Simpkin (2008 ed.). Page 57: a mention of John de-Usflete amongst the English in Wales and that later he was at Falkirk (1298) and Caerlaverock (1300), Scotland.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Aelle-Aella.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 27/01/2010 14:38
Regarding Loretta (Lora) de-Furnival/Usflete:

Caldecote, county of Hertford:
ADOWSON:
St.Mary Magdalene Church & Caldecote Manor:
The patron of the church in 1239 was Gerard de-Furnivall (Furnival), grandfather of the Gerard de-Furnival who held the Manor in 1287. The Manor wa conveyed after Gerard to William Hurst, but rent was paid to Gerard de-Furnival's daughter Loretta (Lora), wife of John de-Usflete, the main family of John worshiping at St.Mary of the Magdalene in Whitgift near Oeusfleet (Ouseflete).

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by haldenby patrick patrickhaldenby@hotmail.fr at 01/02/2010 10:43
my name is patrick haldenby,i live in france .my father eric haldenby was born in hull around 1916 ,his father was arthur haldenby married to elisabeth kent. Im much interested by the origins of our family
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 02/02/2010 21:35
The Reign of Henry the Fith, by J.Wylie & W.T.Waugh (Cambridge University Press, vol.3, 1929 ed.). English siege at Cherbourg (Normandy in France), year 1418:
Page 110: Gerard Usflete [the 3rd.] was amongst those in charge of the French surender. He died 2 years later.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 03/02/2010 08:35
Message for Patrick Haldenby:
If your Haldenby family searches take you to the southside of the river Ouse, then there are Haldenby surname indexes for parish registers, e.g., Adlingfleet & Whitgift parish churches, etc.
There are still the old style card indexes for surnames, including Haldenbys with a few Wills, at the Doncaster Archives, King Edward Rd., Balby, Doncaster, England, DN4-ONA.
(Note: There are also variants to look for, e.g., Holdenby, Haldenbie, Howdenby, etc.).
Kind regards,
Raymond E.O.Ella.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 05/02/2010 11:59
Two John Usfletes in Scotland at the same time, !, or one shortly after the other, i.e., father and son:

C.Moor's Knights of Edward 1, (5 vols.), publ. 1929-32, by the Harleian Society, 1xxx-1xxxiv:
There is a mention of Sir John Usflete and that he died about 1301 or 1302, also a mention he had a son John.

It is more likely that the son was a Preceptor-Master of the Knights Templar c.1304-6 in Scotland and his father earlier was amongst the English during the Welsh wars, later he being with English troops in Scotland.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 05/02/2010 12:34
There is a mention of a John Usflete in E.Gooder's Temple Balsall: The Warwickshire Preceptory of the Templars and their fate. 1995 ed., publ. by Phillimore & Co. Ltd.
..........................
Knights Templar, etc:
Calendarium Genealogicum, by C.Roberts, 2 vols.,publ.1865:
Vol.1, page 451 item 146: GERARDUS DE FURYVALL' ET RICARDUS DE ARRAZ---pro MAGISTRO ET FRATRIBUS MILITIAE TEMPLI IN ANGLIA. Inq. ad q.d.
Vol.2, page 623 item 31: there is a mention of one of the Gerard de-Furnivals and his daughter Lora and that her husband was John Usflete [Lora and John were parents of the first Gerard de-Usflete and John de-Usflete junior].

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 08/02/2010 20:59
Sir Gerard Usflete (the first one):
He and the Prince of Wales were both knighted 22nd. May 1306.
Gerard then was ordered to meet the King later at York and also at Battle Bridge 24th.June 1312, then also with the English in Scotland June 1314. He was requested 9th of May 1324 to be a Yorkshire knight at the Great Council of Westminster.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 12/02/2010 18:26
Northern parts of Suffolk came under the Archdeaconry of Norfolk and in 1335 there was an Archdeacon of Norfolk named Robert de Usflete. He is doumented "from Ousfleet" (Ousefleet).
There were branches of the Ufflets/Usflets (etc.) family living in Suffolk long ago and one was "alive" for an Herald's Visitation in 1612. They were of Somerleyton.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 12/02/2010 18:58
The British Library Mss Department:
There are quite a few mss for the Clopton family of Suffolk and in Harl.1560 folio 5 there is mention of Clopton coats-of-arms and a quartering (7th) is for the scribe-form 'Uffleete', blazon thus: Argent (silver) on a fess Azure (blue) 3 fleurs-de-lis Or (gold). This is the same as the Yorkshire branch's.
Also,Harl.5861 mentions one of the John Uffletes (early 1600s) of Somerleyton in Suffolk had married a daughter of the Clopton family.
Note: although there may be more than 4 quartered connected families on a shield, they are still known as "quarterings".
Later heraldic artists sometimes substitute yellow for gold and white for silver, but in early heraldry yellow and white were not true heraldic tinctures.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 12/02/2010 20:35
The Ufflete/Usflete family of Somerleyton, Suffolk, c.1612:
It is said there once was their family Crest in the parish church.
Note: a family Crest is not a coat-of-arms, it is part of one, i.e., the Crest being an item that seats on top of a shield/coat-of-arms, e.g., a crown, bird, or whatever was granted/used.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Sam at 03/03/2010 15:27
Seeing the Cross Keys pub at Adlingfleet on this site stired a memory or two for me. It was run by a bloke if I recall called Faff Barker who worked for Parsons at Drax during the day where he was known as Captain. I went to school with his daughter Susan who was a lovely girl as I remember. We were once waiting to vine peas down cow lane one night but couldnt start until about 3am so someone had a bright idea that we would have a ride to Faffs and surprise surprise it was still open, Just. We were let in and all got a pint a piece when suddenly the door opened and in walked this dark imposing figure it was Pete Rowells the local copper from Swinefleet. I nearly choked as it was well gone 2.00am by this time. He took off his helmet and asked for a pint of best and then chatted away to us all as though it were 8.00pm asking what were were on with etc He drank his pint and then he announced well lads I'll leave you to it before I embarass you by having to lock you all up at this fine hour. I remember thinking to myself that seven lads and him wouldn't have fitted into his Ford Anglia somehow. Safe to say though when he had gone we were on our way back to the field a bit sharpish. Anyone remember Pete Rowells ? He didn't take many prisoners but you knew all hell was coming sooner or later if you had done something wrong in the villages. Good times all the same, is Cow lane still as bumpy ? no wonder I now suffer from a bad back on occasions !! I have to laugh at the TV ad today Good with food
Posted by Patricia How at 10/03/2010 09:23
Hi! I'm new to this feed but have visited other chat sites on this website. I'm looking for relatives who lived in this area pre national records as I have exhausted them! Where can I find baptism/marriage records for Adlingfleet and Reedness? Looking for my gr gr greats from the mid 1700's called Purvis.
Posted by J T Salkeld at 11/03/2010 09:05
To Catrin Ashby and or John Monteith,
Hoping you might be checking in here again at some stage. Keen to hear about Haldenby Lee. I notice there is also a Ken Lee that is following the same path. Can you try to send me a message through genesreunited and I'll give you my e-mail address.

Regards
Posted by Patricia Jones at 09/04/2010 19:45
To Patricia How
If you leave a message on the Red1st website we will try to help you find your ancestors
Posted by Paul Whitaker at 27/05/2010 09:21
I have a Leggott Whitaker born Adlingfleet 1809 son of a farmer Robert Whitaker & Ann Leggott. Anyone know of any other Whitaker from Adlingfleet?
Posted by Patricia Jones at 28/05/2010 18:31
I have found Leggat Whitaker baptised 8 Oct 1809 son of Robert and Ann also Elizabeth baptised 3 Oct 1852 and William baptised 9 Feb 1851 children of Rachel and Henry (miller)but they lived in Fockerby
Posted by Keith Harrison at 22/06/2010 14:57
We are trying to make contact with Raymond & Marie Ella. We are having some visitors from Canada in August called Dr David Haldenby & family who are very interested in the history of the area. Could anyone with Raymond 0r Marie's e-mail or telephone number please get in touch?
Keith Harrison & Carole Jennings-Harrison
Haldenby Grange
Mill Road
Luddington
Posted by Sam at 24/06/2010 16:36
Re Keith Harrison
Can't help alot but try Ella family in Ousefleet you could get a lead from there. Good Luck
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 08/07/2010 01:02
Hello Keith & Carole,
I hope the webmaster reads this and indeed we give him permission to provide you with our e-mail address.
Your visitors from Canada may be interested in the following thus:
Go to www.a2a.org.uk and type firstly "Haldenby" in the searchbox and click. Later, try typing "Haldenbie", then try just "Francis Haldenby". Also, use the National Archive searchbox.
At the Doncaster Archives they may still have their old card indexes to personal and place-names and they have or did have collections for Haldenby including references to Wills for early members of the family.
This item is at the East Riding of Yorkshire Archives in Beverley: DDBE/20/4, Ousefleet, Whitgift, Aldlingfleet and Haldenby, year 1576 to 1577. We have not seen this ourselves so not sure what it includes. However, if your visitors are sight-seeing they may not get chance to view time-consuming documents?.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.)
.........
Aelle-Aella.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 08/07/2010 01:45
Haldenby Family's second Crest to be seated on top of their coat-of-arms:

There is the Australian & New Zealand area black swan with a red beak and feet and this can now be found in many other areas in the world including not far from where we live, i.e., on waters of the Norfolk Broads.
However, there was in England once a larger black swan and indeed the Haldenby family knew of it and used it has their second crest to go on top of their coat-of-arms, i.e., after they had to relinquish the first crest and family-motto.
By inheritance via related-families, e.g., the Usfletes, members of the Haldenby family gained property in Swanland near North Ferriby, so should the white swans with yellow beaks and feet on the village pond there be "Black" and if there are not any on the pond these days indeed their village signs depict a white swan, although Swanland may be a corruption of Swain, i.e., Swain's land.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 08/07/2010 02:21
Elizabeth Wentworth, spouse of Francis Haldenby (his tomb in Adlingfleet Parish Church):
It is said that the Wentworth connection could not be proven when the Haldenby's were compelled to have granted their second heraldic crest and that this could be a reason why the Wentworth coat-of-arms quartered on the Haldenby shield was removed, along with the Ella family one. However, Francis Haldenby would have had recent knowledge of his wife's family and one would have thought that her father and mother if still alive along with other Wentworths would have been at Francis's and Elizabeth's wedding and there are pedigrees compiled at the time listing the marriage, so perhaps there was another reason for the removal of the Wentworth quarter and indeed the much older Ella one,?.
The early main branch of the Haldenby family after the Reformation of the 1530s remained Catholic up to at least the English Civil War and this was frowned upon by the "New Church of England" and some of the ruling classes, making note that many people today with English roots back to the 1530s and before would have had Catholic ancestors and indeed what are now Anglican churches built before the Reformation were once Catholic worship-places, including the parish churches in Adlingfleet and Whitgift, yet one meaning of Catholic is simply "Christian".

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 09/07/2010 10:57
The Incredible Survival of the First Haldenby Crest & their 8 times quartered Coat-of-Arms:

After the Reformation many items in churches that were regarded "too idolatry" were removed and even wall paintings were covered-over with "white-wash", etc.
However, the first Haldenby crest was not inside Adlingfleet Parish Church until the Haldenby home had become almost derelict and if the first crest with 8 quartered shield was in or on the outside of the Haldenby home it was salvaged and placed inside Adlingfleet Parish Church and this may have been done in the 19th century, having been placed over Francis Haldenby's tomb, but there are some parts of this first crest damaged or "chopped-off" when removed from a building or when placed in the church, i.e., where "supporters" would have been on both left and right sides of the shield, yet on examination by me what could have been "supporters" is just foliage (leaves,etc.) and not standing animals supporting the shield on either side. There has also been some damage to Francis's tomb.
The Haldenby family were granted a second crest (black swan) because the church officials and an herald of arms regarded the first Haldenby crest to be a form of religious idolatry and not because the first crest was "unofficial" but because of what it represented and the "Motto" that went with it and indeed because they knew it was "papist", i.e., the garter-belt on the helmet of this first crest depicts a "papal rose", no it is not a small Yorkshire rose. Also, although there is a small Wentworth shield on the front side-panel of Francis Haldenby's tomb, the family included the earlier 8 quartered coat-of-arms on the head-panel of the tomb depicting the Wentworth quartering, also Ella, but with no crest, yet the first crest with an 8 quartered shield now placed over Francis's tomb is much older than the "not-crested" shield on the tomb's head-panel.
There is a remote possibility that some Haldenby monumentals in Adlingfleet Parish Church were placed there after North Ferriby Parish Church was rebuilt. Indeed, after the church in North Ferriby was rebuilt, the Haldenby monumentals in the previous building were not placed in the new church. But, once again, this is a remote possibility, yet the N.Ferriby Haldenby monumentals did have a mention of an "Elizabeth Wentworth".

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 09/07/2010 12:12
Regarding our previous posting:
North Ferriby Parish Church (not the old priory) was rebuilt c.1848.
Mr.Tickell was writing c.1786 and in his "History of Hull" he mentions the Haldenby monumentals that were in North Ferriby Parish Church at that time thus: "Orate pro anima Elizabeth Haldenby, Uxorem Armigerum, et Filiam Johannes Wentworth, quae tredecim habuit (or habiut) filios et eid ejus amimam (or aminam) Deus condonat, 1562".
This more-or-less is meaning "Pray for the soul of Elizabeth Haldenby, the wife of Haldenby, and daughter of John Wentworth, (who had thirteen sons), whose soul may the Lord pardon, 1562".
Parish registers for N.Ferriby: burial of Elizabeth Haldenbie (Haldenby), X1th of May, Anno dm 1562(/3) Eliza: 5to.
So, Ellizabeth Haldenby (nee' Wentworth) was buried at North Ferriby, but her husband [Francis] was entombed in Adlingfleet Parish Church and the possibility that Francis's tomb was once at N.Ferriby we indeed do not agree with but where the Haldenby first crest and 8 times quartered shield was before placed in Adlingfleet Parish Church is conjectural, yet a probability would be at the Haldenby home before the 19th century.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 09/07/2010 12:32
Garter-belted Helmet on the first Haldenby Crest:

At the base of the helm (helmet) is a garter-belt and on the left end of it is what appears to be a small rose and above on the extention to the belt appears to be another rose?, yet that is not clearer than the other. On the end to the right side of the belt is what appears to be a buckle.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 09/07/2010 19:55
See the "Reedness & Ousefleet" postings on some Seals in the British Library Mss Department for Gerard de Orflete (Usflete), John Wentworth, Beauchamp and also John Plantagenet (John of Gaunt).

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Neil at 27/07/2010 08:24
Just moved into what was the Cross Keys pub and was wondering if anyone has some pictures of it when it was a pub, inside or out. I'd like to get a series of pictures of it over the years to show the changes.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 04/08/2010 10:13
Haldenby family of Reedness, etc.:

The National Register of Archives, ref. GB/NNAF/F81872. years 1650 to 19th century: deeds 1650-18th ? century, settlements 1757-1818, misc.estate papers and family papers + legal papers 19th century. Pedigrees of Haldenby family and other related families, e.g., of Reednees, Haldenby/Adlingfleet, etc.
Note: This collection is held privately, enquiries to the N.A. Sector Development Dept. (cite: NRA 14601 Haldenby).

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella,(Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 21/08/2010 10:29
Some early Wills mentioned for members of the Haldenby family, etc., on the "Reedness & Ousefleet" postings.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Patricia Jones at 28/08/2010 22:28
For Neil
You will find two photos of the Cross Keys on the website red1st.com
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 09/09/2010 20:30
Regarding a previous posting.
The 8 quartered Haldenby family shields in Adlingfleet Parish Church, one on a wall over Francis Haldenby's tomb, the other on the head panel to his tomb:

2nd quartering, top row from the left is Gawtree (Galtree, etc.)of Boston in Lincolnshire.
1st quartering, bottom row from the left has been attributed to the Ferriby family of North Ferriby by some historians and the blazon is: Gules (red) a chevron between 3 boars heads couped Argent (silver) armed Or (gold) "tusked".
However, when Abraham de la Pryme was preaching (year 1699) in North Ferriby Parish Church (before it was re-built), he mentions in his diary a coat-of-arms with tinctures in a glass window he noticed and cites the blazon "Gules, a chevron between 3 boars heards couped Argent, armed Or" and he writes that this is for the Whites family of Hackney, Middlesex.
In Burkes "General Armory", (1884 ed.) page 1102, it mentions the White family of Hackney and gives the same said blazon and also mentions a crest.
........
Book: The Diary of Abraham de la Pryme, the Yorkshire Antiquary, printed by the Surtees Society, vol.L1V, page 198.
The General Armory, (1884 ed.), by Sir Bernard Burke, [Herald]Ulster King of Arms.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 10/09/2010 09:10
Extra to previous posting:
Abraham de la Pryme also mentions in his diary that he had noticed a window in North Ferriby Parish Church depicting a women kneeling with 4 children behind her and the coat of arms for Wentworth: "a chevron between 3 leopard's faces [sometimes depicted has 3 lion's faces/heads] a crescent for difference". The women would have been Elizabeth who married Francis Haldenby and later when he died a similar "kneeling pose" with a small Wentworth shield was put on the side-panel of his tomb in Adlingfleet Parish Church, 2 other Wentworth quarterings being on the 2 other larger shields.
Pryme mentions that he preached (year 1699) at North Ferriby and then Kirkellar (Kirk Ella), but there is no coment on his visitation to Kirk Ella, at least in the Surtees Society publication of his diary?.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 19/09/2010 23:58
Ella family coat of arms:
Sable (black) a fess dancetty surmounted by 3 fleur de lis Or (gold).

Thomas Corbridge, Archbishop of York (1299-1304):
Argent (silver) a fess indented surmounted by 3 fleur de lis Gules (red).

Note: The Ella quarter is on the 2 larger 8 quartered Haldenby shields in Adlingfleet Parish Church, one with the first of two Haldenby crests on the wall over Francis Haldenby's tomb, the other on his tomb's front-panel, no crest.
Ella has "dancetty", this being a dancing line/band with 3 peaks/points on the top. Corbridge has "indented" and this line/band has more than 3 peaks/points and the peaks/points are not the same type has in "dancetty". There is also another Corbridge coat of arms (not in said church).
Isabella de Ella married the first of three Sir Gerard de Usfletes and their grand-daughter (Isabella de Usflete) married a Robert Haldenby.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 20/09/2010 01:15
Although the Ella coat of arms with 3 fleur de lis on was for the family with that surname, there was/is another Ella coat of arms but only an "attributed type" to the lst Bretwalda and King of the South-Saxons (Sussex). The blazon is: Per saltire Or (gold) and Gules (red) 4 crescents counterchanged (Ella-Aelle-Aella).
The Ella family branch of Wymeswold in Leicestershire used this attributed coat of arms and it is on the monument for James Ella, Gent., died 1834. There are other monuments, e.g., Lord William Fisher Ella, died 1859. These are in the tower of St.Mary's church, Wymeswold.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 02/10/2010 22:02
Tomb effigy of a 14th century Lady in Adlingfleet Parish Church:

On the side panel to the tomb are 4 shields thus:
First from the left is for Bohun (DeBohun, D'Bohun) of Lincoln and if once painted the blazon would be: Azure (blue) on a bend Argent (silver) cottised (coltised) Or (gold), betwixt (between) 6 lions rampant, - Or (gold) -3 escallops Gules (red).
Sometimes escallops are not included.
Second is for Stapleton, blazon being: Argent (silver), a lion rampant Sable (black).
Third is for Dayville (Davill, Dayvill, Daville, Deiville, d'Eiville, etc.), blazon: Gules (red) a lion rampant, within an orle of 8 small fleur-de-lis (flowers of the lily). Sometimes the small fleur-de-lis are not included.
Fourth is for Wigton and the blazon is: Sable (black), 3 estoiles (star shapes) Or (gold).
...........................................

Regarding the Haldenby family:
There is another little-known coat-of-arms and the blazon is/was: Azure (blue), 5 cinqfoils set saltire-wise Argent (silver).
Sometimes the cinqfoils were set in a Argent (silver) cross.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.),
of Buxton-with-Lamas,
Norfolk, England, U.K.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 03/10/2010 10:41
BOHUN family:
One member of a branch this family married Princess Margaret of Scotland, she having died in 1201. Another later Bohun married Princess Elizabeth, a daughter of King Edward the lst "Langhanks" Plantagenet and Princess Leonor (Leonora) of Castile and Leon. Elizabeth died at Quendon in Essex, year 1316.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 03/10/2010 13:03
DAYVILLE (other phonetic or early variant scribe-forms, e.g., d'Eyvill, etc.):
Sir John d'Eiville of Egmonton (Egmanton, etc.) in Nottinghamshire, also held estates in Adlingfleet, Kilburn and Thornton, Yorkshire. He died c.1325/6? at Adlingfleet but his funeral way have been near one of his other estates,?.
This John was twice married, first wife named Agnes, his second wife named Margaret, she also having married again after the demise of John. She had a daughter named Joan while married to John, Margaret having died c.1341.
The tomb and effigy in Adingfleet Parish Church may be for Margaret (comissioned by her second husband?) but it must be noted that the Dayville (d'Eiville, etc.) shield on the tomb is for a junior branch of that family, e.g., of Lincolnshire, etc.) and Sir John d'Eiville had another coat-of-arms, the blazon being: Or (gold) on a fess Gules (red) all semy [fleur] de lis's counterchanged (the amount of fleurs/flowers used are conjectural). So, Margaret's tomb and effigy may be for another lady who was connected to families whose shields are on the tomb side-panel, or someone related to one of them.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Gillian Ford at 12/11/2010 08:26
A Mary Halldanby married Thomas Cartwright on 25 Mar 1656 in Saint Lawrence Jewry and Saint Mary Magdalene. I have wondered if this is the first marriage of Thomas Cartwright, 1634-1689, Bishop of Chester. He married a Mary and had four children. She died, and he married Sarah Wight of Essex and later Frances Barnard or Stamford of Lincoln. Does anyone have any information on this? Thanks.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 06/12/2010 15:46
Posting today on "Reedness & Ousefleet" regarding Haldenby coat-of-arms, etc., on brass plaques, c.1614-c.1646.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 30/12/2010 09:42
"4, 5 or 6 little birds in Adlingfleet Parish Church".

The two larger Haldenby shields, one on the head panel of Francis Haldenby's tomb, the other with a crest on the wall over his tomb, indeed that being pre-Tudor and when salvaged during the 19th century, it was placed inside the church:

On these two shields, fourth from the left on the top row is the quartered coat-of-arms for the Furnival family depicting 6 martlets, but if there are only 4 or 5, this would be an error, yet not 3 with other branches of the Furnivals.
The martlet, sometimes depicted without feet or a beak in heraldry, is a diminutive of the bird named martin, but martlet was also used to imply a swift and a hirondelle (swallow), yet in German heraldry it depicted a lark and in French heraldry sometimes a duckling and also a "merle" (blackbird).
Small birds use to be baked in pies, e.g., pigeon pie, blackbird pie, etc.
The latter reminds us of a old singing nursery-rhyme and although the birds are alive in the rhyme, such a dish was placed on the table at meal-times: "4 and 20 blackbirds baked in a pie, when the pie was open the birds began to sing, and was'nt it a dainty dish to put before a king", etc., (there are early variations of this old rhyme).

So, if or when you enter the church, just have a glance at the little martlets and ponder with your thoughts about these poor little birds.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 16/01/2011 08:24
Mrs.Christian Smith Documents at the East Riding of Yorkshire Archives, Beverley, ref. DDCS/44/2:
Dated 24th of July, 1490.
Marriage Settlement between Robert Haldenby, esquire (father of Margaret, bride to be) and Walter Baildon, esquire (father of John, groom to be).

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 16/01/2011 10:11
Baildon Family coat-of-arms:

Argent (silver), a fess between 3 fleur-de-lis Sable (black).
(The top section of the shield has 2 fleur-de-lis and the bottom section 1.).
Once if not now, the Baildon coat-of-arms, c.1593, was/is in a stained glass window at Methley Hall, Yorkshire.

Note: Ella, Usflete and Baildon coats-of-arms had 3 fleur-de-lis, but with different tinctures and heraldic order.
When 3 fleur-de-lis are together, it was symbolic of the Trinity (three in one).

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 25/01/2011 13:44
Update on both larger Haldenby shields in Adlingfleet Parish Church:
The style of these shields are of the "broad-type" and this style became popular late 14th (1300s) to mid-15th (1400s) century. However, because Wentworth have been quartered, i.e., the older shield on the wall and indeed the later one (both 8 quartered) on the head-panel of Francis Haldenby's tomb, they are Tudor-period, yet made in an earlier traditional style and this "broad-type" family's sometimes much later traditionally used it, i.e., done by their heraldic sculptor and illustrator.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella, (Mr.& Mrs.).
Posted by Jayne McMath at 17/06/2011 17:47
Hi, I am a decendant of Anne Haldenby christened 1776 at Panton, Lincolnshire. Her parents were William Haldenby of Waterton Hall, Luddington and Sarah Parker. Williams father and grandfather were also William Haldenby's of Waterton Hall. The earliest William Haldenby of Waterton Hall I have died in 1729. Does anyone have any information on the same Haldenby's?
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 19/06/2011 10:00
There is/was a card surname index for Haldenby (Haldendie & other early variants of the name) at the Doncaster Archives, some from parish registers, e.g., Adlingfleet, Whitgift, etc.
The parish registers for Luddington would be at the Lincoln Archives and have a survival date from 1700. However, the Bishop's Transcripts for Luddington survive from 1599 but often the BT's are not consecutive and have gaps, e.g., especially the first Commonwealth period from 1649/1650 to 1660, the monarchy having been restored in 1660 (King Charles the 2nd.) and the king helping to restore the Church of England resulting in the restoration of the ejected Bishops in 1661.

Kind regards,
Raymond & Marie Ella (Mr. & Mrs.)
Posted by Patricia Jones at 09/07/2011 18:13
Attention Jayne
In Bishops transcripts for Luddington there is William son of Simon 22 Aug 1604 with siblings Francis 25 May 1602 and Jarret 14 Mar 1600.Ther are also children of William and Elizabeth between 1683 and 1692 ,but no William.If you contact me on skydruid21@yahoo.com I will give you any information that I can.
Posted by Kit Haldenby at 20/08/2011 10:54
it would seem alot of us here are related in some distant way....very cool :) my fathers family are from the hull area too, ive got back as far as my great grandfather Horace Haldenby and would love to get further back. Anyone else know the name? Ive been told that we are indeed half danes...the name Haldenby was given to children of half danish/half anglo saxon birth. completely fascinating :)
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 20/08/2011 17:11
Vol.1, published 1857: History & Topography of the City of York; The East Riding of Yorkshire and a Portion of the West Riding. By J.J.Sheaham & T.Whellan.
Page 785: "Haldenby Hall, now a Farm House in the occupation of Mr.John Pindar, is an ancient building, in front of which is a carving of the Arms of the Haldenby family".

(Is the Haldenby coat-of-arms still there or is it the one placed inside Adlingfleet Parish church during the 19th century and now on a wall over Francis Haldenby's tomb).

Kind regards,
Ray & Marie Ella, (Mr. & Mrs),
Buxton-with-Lamas (Lammas),
Norfolk, England.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 20/08/2011 17:48
Extra to previous posting:
The Farm House is late 1600s with mid 1800s alterations and on or near the site of the medieval Haldenby Hall.
The Haldenby family coat-of-arms over Francis Haldenby's tomb in Adlingfleet Parish Church is older than 17th century (1600s) and may have been first salvaged from the medieval building.

Regards,
Ray &n Marie.
Posted by Tune family at 24/08/2011 18:16
I am searching for the ancestors of Jame Tune born 1818 in Adlingfleet. I believe her parents to be John tune and Martha Bycroft, can anyone help.

Manyt thanks

Kate
Posted by David Atkin at 25/08/2011 02:54
This page seems to be About family history not Adlingfleet. And seems only about 6 -8 people posted. the rest are R Ella!!!!

Any chance of a posting from someone who lived in Adlingfleet like I once did?

Cheers
Posted by Emma Brookes at 25/08/2011 07:56
If David once lived in Adlingfleet perhaps he could post something about it and may I add that if R.Ella had not have bothered there would be hardly any postings.

Cheers,
Emma.
Posted by Patricia Jones at 28/08/2011 14:13
Hi Kate, Jane Tune was baptised at All Saints Adlingfleet on 3 May 1818 daughter of John Tune cordwainer and Martha Bycroft
who were married 8 Sep 1812. Other children were ,Elizabeth 2 may 1824,George 21 Oct 1821,Joseph 21 May 1826.
David, I lived in Adlingfleet from 1946 to 1950 and visited several times a year until 1963.
Posted by Pat Taylor at 02/09/2011 14:43
I lived in Adlingfleet for 24 years and am sorry to see how it has changed. The Cross Keys, Post Office/shop and village hall (Old school) have all gone. Years ago the Community Association prophesised the village was dying and now all those things have gone. Very sad.
Posted by Patricia Jones at 03/09/2011 13:53
When I lived there the Post office was in Post office Row which was where the bungalows are now on Garthorpe Rd.I remember the new post office opening about 1959 in the house that we called Auntie Annie Jacksons although she died in 1946.Things change continually.
Posted by wendy exelby nee fenwick at 03/09/2011 15:19
I was born in Adlingfleet and lived there for the first 18 years of my life, and as kids we always found something to do so I cant believe kids nowadays when they say they are bored!! my mam and dad still live there and there are still some people there who I remember from my childhood and yes it certainly has changed over the years.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 04/09/2011 11:10
Marie and I are not from Adlingfleet but the few times we have visited the village we found it very peaceful and pleasant and I recall on my first visit some years ago having to collect the key for All Saints Church from the then Post Office/Shop.
I hear that there are "Heritage Open Days" in Adlingfleet 10th and 11th of September with members of the Local History Group. Perhaps people who live there and who once did can meet each other. The church opens 10am to late afternoon. - We would have liked to have come but we have an holiday pre-booked.

Regards,
Ray & Marie.
Posted by perry haldenby at 16/12/2011 17:32
Hi there .. My name is Perry Haldenby I was born in Hull. My dad is keith Haldenby .. grandad is Ralph haldenby great granddad is Ciril Haldenby ... just find this history really interesting. I never knew Haldenby Manor existed. So are all Haldenbys connected ?
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 17/12/2011 07:41
Hello Perry,
Hull is not that far from Swanland near North Ferriby and in the parish church at N.Ferriby before it was rebuilt in the 19th century, inside there were Haldenby monuments and family coat-of-arms, but not put back into the newer church.
The Haldenby family of Swanland would have come-into inheritance via the Usflete (Ousefleet) family, this long before the English Civil War and at the outset the Swanland branch of the Haldenby family would have had their origin at Haldenby between Luddington and Adlingfleet.

Merry Christmas,
Ray & Marie.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 17/12/2011 08:14
Extra to previous posting;

This would also be the case for early Haldenbys on the south-side of the river Ouse, e.g., Reedness, Whitgift, Ousefleet, etc., i.e., origin from the main-branch at Haldenby, or at least from the place-name, the village becoming redundant long-ago. So, some Haldenbys may be related to the gentry-branch of Haldenby who had a coat-of-arms, but others may just have lived in the old village and took-on the place-name to become "surnamed", e.g., after leaving the area, therefor any DNA analysed with Haldenbys today may show a connection, yet could also be conjectural and this would be the case with any surname from a place-name.

Regards,
Ray & Marie.
Posted by Taz at 27/12/2011 20:36
Just had a drive through the village, where I lived for a few years, after a pleasurable walk down Cow Lane with my wife and our dog. Adlingfleet is still the most attractive village in the area and the residents should be proud of it. I disagree with the previous correspondent describing the village as dying - judging by the number of new houses I would say quite the opposite. Pubs are closing all the time and need customers to keep them open and village post offices are very few nowadays. Not many people shop in small village stores when nearly everything one needs can be bought from a supermarket in one trip (or often on their way home from work - how many Adlingfleet residents still work in the village or surrounding villages?).
I was surprised at the number of visitors at the RSPB site - perhaps the shop and pub could have benefitted here had they still been available.
To R E O Ella keep up the good work - your contributions are very informative and interesting.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 30/12/2011 14:38
Thank you Taz and a "Happy New Year for 2012" to you and all readers.

Regards,
Ray & Marie.
Posted by Sam at 15/01/2012 14:54
Hi,

My Great Great Grandmother was Annie Elizabeth Haldenby, she was baptised in Althorpe in 1878. She married William Mason in 1898 and they had 7 Children. Annies Father was John Haldenby born in Luddington 1837, he was married to Rebecca Storm and died in 1900, His father was also John Haldenby born about 1814 in Whitgift he was a School Master, married 3 times to Hannah Theaker, Jane Cook and Ann Ward, he died in 1900. Johns Father was a William Haldenby born in Eastrington in 1795 he was married to Sarah Jackson - he lived in Whitgift and Reednees and died in 1876. Williams Father was another William Haldenby, born in 1768 in Skelton, Howden, he was married to Ann Beaumont. I know his father was John born around 1740, but the trail goes cold, it would be great to hear from anyone connected to this family or if they can link it back to Francis Haldenby !

Many Thanks,

Sam.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 16/01/2012 16:06
Baine's Directory & Gazetteer (year 1822):
Wm. Haldenby, vict., (at) Ferry House, Reedness.
Nicholas Ella, vict., (at) King's Head, Swinefleet.
John Ella, carpenter, Swinefleet.

Regards,
Ray & Marie.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 16/01/2012 16:57
Book: "Miscellanea Genealogica Et Heraldica", fourth series, vol.1V, (published 1912, reprint 2005), pages 71 to 74. On these pages is a Pedigree of Haldenby of Haldenby, Yorkshire, i.e., from about c.1646 back to a Hugh de Haldenby c.Hen.111.
If you type Haldenby in a www.google.co.uk searchbox then go to others/books it may be possible to read on-line.

Regards,
Raymond & Marie.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 16/01/2012 17:23
Extra regarding previous posting:

At the bottom of the Haldenby pedigree there are "notes" but the Usflete marriage is actually correct, indeed most historians were not aware that there were three Sir Gerard de Usfletes, not two. The one c.1400 lived a further 5 years and he was the second Gerard, his daughter Isabel (Isabella) having married into the Haldenby family. Her grandmother was Isabel de Ellay (Isabella de Ella), wife of the first Sir Gerard de Usflete.
(The said pedigree mentions an Haldenby c.late 17th century).
Two Haldenby shields in All Saint's church, Adlingfleet, quarter the coats-of-arms for Usflete and Ella, etc.

Regards,
Raymond & Marie.
Posted by Andrew Tune at 02/07/2012 20:15
My 7xgreat grandfather was Edward Tune born 1665 and lived
in adlingfleet with his wife Elizabeth Tune formerly Copley.
Would like anyone who knows anything about them or any info
regarding the Tune family contact me i would be grateful.
Posted by Raymond E.O.Ella at 03/07/2012 15:06
Tune family surname:
Go to "familysearch.org" if not already and put the name Edward Tune in the searchbox, then Yorkshire in the place-box and click. - There are some for Adlingfleet and at least 2 early burials for South Kirkby, one 1640s.
Also, do the search again for Lincolnshire and later try phonetic/variant early scribe-forms, e.g., Tun, etc.
Note: There are mistakes donated for the mentioned search-engine. However, it is still a good finding-aid, but later check an original entry, e.g., parish registers, etc.
Regards,
Raymond & Marie.
Posted by Patricia Jones at 15/07/2012 18:42
There are several generations of Tunes listed on www.red1st.com which might be helpful as in the same area.I can be contacted on that website but only have Adlingfleet baptisms back to 1694
Posted by Fiona Moate at 14/10/2012 10:53
I have a story about Adlingfleet Church told by a friend of my Father's who spoke about him at his funeral.
In the 1950s there was a production of Murder in the Cathedral which was performed in local churches. My Father was one of the Knights. An obsessive smoker (about 80 players a day) he slipped out for a crafty smoke in the dress rehearsal. It was a misty night & the story goes that a woman leaving the Cross Keys with a jug of ale saw my Father amongst the gravestones & thought he was one of the monuments from the church come to life, or a ghost! She dropped her ale & ran off screaming. My Father found out who she was from the landlord, & in his own clothes took her another jug of ale!
Posted by Gillian Ford at 24/12/2012 09:25
I wrote a comment earlier about Mary Haldenby's marriage to Thomas Cartwright. She did marry the Bishop of Chester, because the original parish records of St Mary Magdalen, Milklondont show it was Thomas Cartwright, 'vicar of this church', and the later-to-be-Bishop was there at the time. She came from Cheapside, and I suspect her father was Daniel Haldenby who was a saddler who made saddles for the army of Charles I during the Civil War. The saddlers company was at Cheapside and Daniel was head of it sometime. But cannot prove it (except Daniel had a Mary who fits the time.) If anyone has any more information on this, I would appreciate it. Gill Ford
Posted by andrew tune at 06/01/2013 20:21
to Patricia jones

What is your web site name please
Posted by myrtle at 09/04/2013 20:13
Would like to know if anyone remembers the Buckle family l think Edward(Ted) was a sea captain.
Posted by Steve Astbury at 12/05/2013 11:07
Hi myrtle. I used to live a couple of doors up from a Mrs. Buckle in Grange Road Adlingfleet from the early 60s to early 70s. Left the area because of my dad's work when I was 13. Used to visit her as a small boy. Don't remember a Mr. Buckle though. Could've been away a lot I suppose as a sailor. and it was a long time ago !
Posted by Emma-Louise Haldenby at 09/10/2013 22:53
My name is also Haldenby! Well, my maiden name is. I now go by Haldenby-Creighton. It woukd be lovely to knkw whether I am related to any of you other Haldenbys.
My grandad is Malcolm Haldenby. He has a brother called Stuart Haldenby. My Dad is Dean Haldenby. Im afraid I do nkt know my great-grandads name.

Any help is greatly appreciated. Feel free to email me at: Emmahaldenby@hotmai l.co.uk.

thank youuuu :) xx
Posted by Helen lloyd at 31/10/2013 19:21
Hi, my family lived at Clough House in Adlingfleet in 1841, has anyone any idea where this might have been. The family in question were the Thompson's.
Thanx
Posted by J cawdron at 05/12/2013 21:04
Thomas Haldenby was the first apprentice of Henry Royce and rose to become works director of Rolls Royce during the second world war
Posted by Patricia Jones at 14/01/2014 18:02
To Andrew Tune. My red1st website name is skydruid
Posted by Patricia Jones at 15/01/2014 09:03
Hi Myrtle , I remember Ted Buckle, he was a friend of my cousin Gordon when we lived at Rose cottage
Posted by mary at 19/03/2014 18:40
skydruid: such dark undertones for a name.
Posted by margaret mary haldenby reynolds at 24/10/2014 16:34
Our grandfather Charles frederic Haldenby was was born in Burton upon Stather in 1878 and subsequently my cousin Michael Haldenby Hill and his daughter have communicated with this website in 2007. My brother George Frederick Haldenby Reynolds and I will visit Adlingfleet and Luddington as our nephew is now living in Epworth. We would like to visit the church and the various Haldenby houses. In the 60/70s I came across a Nellie Burrell nee Haldenby who had some family tree done for her when she was young and cousins of ours took this further resulting in visiting this area and we would like to do so again. Many Haldenbys abound.
Posted by brian haldenby at 06/02/2015 21:50
hello all i am the son of george fredrick haldenby born in hull 1910 his father was a fisherman lost at sea in 1915 his name was thomas i have been trying to find information about him if anyone knows anything please email me thank you.
brian
Posted by Ann Bissett at 29/07/2015 18:42
Adlingfleet Grange.

My daughter hasn't long moved to the above address , an address which I find fascinating, to say the least. Firstly was this ever a Grange? It would make sense. I notice in an early 19th cent. map, the farm was called Common House. Does anyone have any information on this property. Many thanks.
Posted by Polo at 03/08/2015 17:02
Re Adlingfleet Grange. this is a very interesting place and quite different today, sad even, to what it was say just thirty years ago when it was all but the centre of the universe !! everything happened at the Grange to do with the running of the large Goole Coop farming Estate, always a vibrant and very busy place with tractors and machinery coming and going. The modern house which stands there now although a nice property is nothing to the majestic house that once stood on the site just a little further forward towards the lane. A very grand imposing building indeed, always very well maintained and was the Estate Managers house, a place that few menials were ever allowed to enter. The gardens were immaculate and it had a nice gravel drive to the right of the property bordered by a well tended privet hedge, behind was an orchard and lawns where the present house now stands. I remember getting told off once for driving my crawler tractor and plough through the privet hedge and down the gravel drive to save running on my ploughing ! and the manager wasn't impressed either when I said at least I shut the gates on my way out !! happy days. Next to the house was the main office where all farming decisions happened and then across the yard was the estate workshop which could tell a few stories if it were able to talk.The managers I recall, Mr Dodsworth and Mr Williams always did well for the estate in general, had nice families and lived at the Grange in quite reverence and were held in high esteem in the area. The place holds a great deal of memories and good times for a lot of people who worked on the estate No doubt one or two more people will contribute to your thread in due course. Be assured your daughter will be well happy living at the Grange, "the centre of the universe" bye.
Posted by Taz at 11/12/2015 22:05
Not visited this site for quite awhile. Re Adlingfleet Grange. Perhaps it was called Common House because the parish of Adlingfleet extended as far as that ( as with Swinefleet Common, Reedness Common, Whitgift Common, Ousefleet Hall etc.)
If I remember when I was first interviewed back in 1970, before I started work there, Noel Dodsworth's office was in the old house away from the estate office. When Alan Williams started as manager he had his office in the Estate Office. The old house was demolished and the new one built around the time that John Chapple became estate manager.
Pasture Farm house still stands empty and looks quite sad in it's present state.
Polo - I remember taking our flasks in the old kitchen for Mrs Kirk to fill if we were working overtime - the teapot seemed enormous! Happy days. Or is it just that we were a lot younger?
Saw your thread on the other site - I wonder how Union Gap became Onion Gab?
Posted by Polo at 16/12/2015 15:24
Re Taz, Wow nearly forgot about Mrs kirk filling the flasks, always strong stuff if I remember right, a mouse could have trotted over it, but very welcome all the same !! Both her and Ern were top class folks of the old school. Those were definitely the best days bar none, pity we can't turn the clock back knowing what we know now. Couldn't beat a riding job and a bit of overtime,I recon we were lucky to have been there at the right time, just young lads playing with good tackle. I saw the old house a few months back a shame it's been left to rot as it could certainly be made a nice place for someone. Don't get Mack to fit the new kitchen though, last one took him over two years, ha ha. have a good one to you and yours, stay lucky.
Posted by Ken Hines at 19/04/2016 13:24
Although I have been a family history researcher for 50 years I have only started on a Haldenby family in the last week for a friend. I traced them off to Canada and now back to the Hull area of Yorkshire. Then I have to try and prove the links you have mentioned over the years. I have Michael Haldenby and his wife Mary whose son William was baptised 30 August 1809. He emigrated to Canada near Quebec before 1836. He married Mary Manuel in the Anglican church of Montreal in 1838. Can any one link this to the families around Adlingfleet?

If its of interest Michael and Mary had a son William who was married to Mary Manuel. Their son was Edward married to Adelaide Richards. Their son was John Frederick who married Jessie Amelia Deacon. Their son Earl born 1907 was sent to the UK in WW2 in the Royal Canadian Air Force, where he met and married Lavinia nee Hall formerly Cross. they both went back to Canada in 1946 but the marriage did not last . 1n 1949 Lavinia came back to Hampshire with her 4 year old daughter. It is this daughter I am doing the research for. I will be most grateful for any help
Posted by Polo at 08/09/2016 09:36
Spoke too soon Taz. Was past Pasture Farm house the other day and it looks like someone is spending some serious brass around the place. No doubt it will be something to do with the wind farm project going on behind upto Common Farm. The Pasture farm access road is now in good shape and much wider than when it was first put in. I remember carting brick rubble for the foundations for it from Goole Fields, every brick hand balled onto the cart !!. Most of the rubble came from the original farm house that was knocked down at Park farm. Porky levelled it out with the bulldozer and Roly Leeman rolled it down with the old green road roller. Some of my handy work is still visible approaching from Eastoft, myself and Kevin Drayton built a small wall in the dyke to hold back the new road. We made it out of breeze blocks laid on their side for added strength and remember Kev saying that'll not shift !! forty years on he was right on that one. The surrounding garden wall has been knocked down and is being re built which looks a nice job and in keeping with the house itself. Many years ago Tivvy let me have one of the yorkstone coping stones from the top of the wall which cleaned up nicely and served me for many years as the hearth stone in our house. Hopefully they will be as sympathetic to the old farm house as it is a lovely place and needs preseving properly not ending up under a new farm road at some stage.Looking over the fields to the front of the house I see the poplar trees are still thriving along the lane from the Grange. Never thought they would survive the way they were put in, a bit rough and ready to say the least. Me and a guy from Crowle called Mick Halifax buried most of them so they are lucky to have survived but, at least they were watered in well as Mick managed to put his spade through the water pipe leading to the cattle troughs and didn't mention it for a week !! Happy days.
Stay lucky.
Posted by Taz at 22/09/2016 19:40
Hi Polo
I remember Mick - he always got the crap jobs but was always cheerful. When I first started there he used to come to work on a motorbike twice the size of him. Trev once got up to about 60mph on it while it was on the stand -if it had dropped off the stand the wall would have gone along with the bike, Trev and Mick who was stood in front of him!!
I presume the wind farm is paying for the wall repairs because they had to take the corner off to get the turbines in.
On a sadder note Cliff W has gone so no more calling you Polo! I knew him for most of my life - my old lady used to regularly fall out with his dad over silly things when he was in the field next door to where we lived but she still went to his shop for bits and pieces!
Take care mate.
Posted by Sam at 23/09/2016 09:04
Hi Taz Sad to hear that Cliff has passed away, another character that will not be replaced. I'm pleased that I called to see him when I did as he was very frail then. I will lay Polo to rest as well which will be a good gesture to him.Everyone had a run in at times with both Cliff and his dad but still went into the shop for bits and bobs. That shop can tell some tales as well but we will leave that for another day. The first time I met Mick Halifax, Earn sent me upstairs in the barn to where Mick was grinding barley for the cows in the fold yard below. This guy came wandering out of the dust cloud absolutely covered in white powder looking like a ghost but smiling from ear to ear like he had the best job in the world. You wouldn't get anyone to do those kind of jobs today. What was scrap to most folks he would find useful though, strap it on the motorbilke and take it home. We were both riding the MF30 drill one foggy morning I looked around and suddenly he was gone, thought he had slipped and fallen off under the harrows and we'd find him mangled up on the way back, but no, a while later he appeared out of the murk chuffed to hell as he was clutching an old bike mudguard he'd found in the dyke bottom !! Stay lucky
Posted by stephen ward at 05/11/2016 12:42
I have a ancestor Thomas Revell who was probably a sailor. This was early december 1825. Although he is buried in Althorpe his abode was given as adlingfleet. He was only 31..how can I find out how he met his demise in nov/dec 1825?

Add your own comment