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Howdendyke



Howdendyke takes it name from the ditch that runs from the river to Howden. It's prosperity was originally based around agriculture with the harvest been taken to markets by way of an old oar-propelled ferry. The ferry crossing became more dangerous when it was heavily loaded and with the ships which where later coming to the newly developing industrial port.

A windmill from the agricultural past Modern storage units The berth

A fertilizer factory was founded in the early 1850's and ships such as Sulpho, Nitro and Phospho were used to transport the fertilzers to landing stages further along the Ouse where it could be used in the fields. The original industrial process used mummified cats, but more sensible practices are followed today.

The wharf now has large docking berths and storage units, but its traffic is hindered due to its location on a bend in the river. The creates two river channels and it can be hard for ships to navigate along the fast flowing tides.


Visitor Comments

Posted by David Robinson at 13/01/2012 15:34
In reply to John Jessup's question. I remember the road from the Lodge Corner through to the Post Office from the very early 50's through to mid- 70's when I'd stay with gran during the holidays. There were never any barriers of any kind along that section although it was always reckoned to be a private section and the public road began again at the Post Office corner.

The road from where the jetties were just after the square was in constant use unloading raw chemicals from barges - the stuff was toted round past Kilpin Lodge and into the factory via a gate on the public road with a pair of red Muir Hill dumper trucks. From memory Mac Arnold used to drive one of them. But the dumper traffic was one reason there were no gates or barriers.
Posted by H.M.D. at 19/01/2012 09:07
G'day all
It would be interesting to know how many Howdendyke residents (past & present) were actualy born in the village.
Our oldest daughter was born in the front room of 5 Prospect Villas. Incidently, nurse Silverside from Howden was then the district midwife.
Posted by caroline at 24/01/2012 20:35
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last week we took mother down to howdendyke for a ride one way in and one way out
it was nice to see new row completed and lived in by what looks like familys nice to see swings and a wendy house in my uncle peters garden so good to know a new genaeration will grow up in the village Creek House is for sale and a barrier blocking off road to river what i wonder is have they claimed this as their land or bought it it does not appear to be of any use and as there was houses beyond Creek House is there still a public right of way ? we then had a tour round Skelton and Laxton finishing of at Gilberdyke mother enjoyed her trip down memory lane and how much it had changed .
Posted by ginger at 27/01/2012 19:33
Can anyone remember all the pigeon lofts that used to be in the village?
Posted by terry clark at 28/01/2012 16:12
I remember Jackie & Denise Tipping, they came to Hull for the weekend with their mother sometimes.
I lived down Wassand Street on Hessle Road and had a crush on Denise, can anyone tell me what happened to her , is she married ?
This was a long time ago 1950s.
Posted by H.M.D at 31/01/2012 12:45
Hi! C. & G'day to you too J.J.
A couple of years ago I too went for a 'steaky beak' in and out of the old village and surrounds. It was sad to see the changes, houses and people we knew, gone.
Perhaps I'll get the chance one day to return and have a beer in the club where our home used to be. Until then I'll keep reading these posts...
Posted by caroline at 03/02/2012 15:31
HiH M D
just been on phone to my Aunt Mavis Pike she say hi to you as i was reading post of the site ,
Posted by Paul Watson at 14/02/2012 08:07
Just stumbled on this site whilst doing a general search on history of Howdendyke.
I spent many happy days staying with my granny Gertie Watson at 8 Ferry Rd(Council Houses) from around about 1965 to early 70s. I was virtually a permanent resident in school holidays & for a school term or two whilst my parents were in the process of moving house from Howden to Brough and in order for me to finish off that particular school year (1969 I think). Gertie (Gertrude Florence) had 8 children my dad Eric being one of them. At the time I was there her 2 youngest had not flown the nest they being my uncles Barry & Trevor. Granny Watson was also responsible for the care of my Grandad Harold who had suffered a stroke/seizure some years previously & had been impaired with short term memory problems.
I was very good friends with Tim Thompson who lived next door with his mum & dad & 2 brothers. We were school mates having attended Howden Infant & Juniior Schools. I also remember Keith Turner, Paul Myers, Andrew Kirby as being fellow playmates. Aslo Pete Baker who lived at Creek House, his dad Bill being "Andertons" works manager
I remember regular visits to Connie's shop spending 3d on Black Jacks or Fruit Salads. I remember going to the old Post office on the river bank to buy paraffin sweets etc. Phyllis Porteous nee (Mell) was there then, and always had a kind word.
We played cricket in the summer in the field behind Prospect
Anywhere near the river was always a good spot to play.
We were all a bit wild and left to do our own thing & I will always remember those happy days.
Posted by H.M.D. at 14/02/2012 11:36
Anyone know if I'm correct in stating Kath Turner became Mrs Cliff Hill. Not that it matters much but I used to go rabbit shooting over the local fields with Cliff and Arthur. Kath lived two or three doors away from us..
I did a bit of hoeing and singling sugar beet as well as pea pulling. Potatoe riddling, corn cutting and stooking in the same mentioned fields. All this with a bit of work with Alan Thompson and full time at Andertons tillage works as well. See Ya.
Posted by bill h at 15/02/2012 10:14
hi terry, denise tpping did indeed marry had two girls i think, but i'm afraid is no longer with us. jackie is still living in the village to my knowledge.
Posted by H.M.D. at 15/02/2012 11:28
Caroline. Thanks for the commendation and Hi in return. Have a nice day.
Posted by H.M.D. at 15/02/2012 12:06
Hi again! Caroline.
I just remembered.. The house your mum and dad lived in was 6 houses from were we lived in the Prospect Villas row..
Next door to us was Mr Stonehard (Mr Pillings gardener), then the passage-way, after which came Alf and Mrs Duffield, Geoff & Brenda Walker, John & Sheila Walker, Geoff & Pauline Featherston, Bill Collins (also worked in Pillings gardens). There was then a large wall after which must have been your place. This was CIRCA 1955.
The first house in the row was Walt. & Ileane Collins.
But before Collin's place, Jack wright lived almost on the corner of the road Boy! am I living the past ??
Posted by KWT at 21/02/2012 13:13
As you say HMD on the button about Kath, thats my Mother. She was married to Bill as I'm sure you know, who died in 1959, then married Cliff in 63 he died in 87 & Kath passed away in 04. I assume you're on about Arthur the crane driver, he lived in Asselby & was K&C's best man. Nice to hear from "Wato" you used to be mad about becoming a conductor, did you ever fulfill that ambition? I think the cricket pitch in the back field must have been the most hazardous pitch ever played on, I'm surprised nobody got seriously hurt. I also remember playing footy at the garages until neighbours got annoyed by the noise, but as you say Paul the river was always a good place.
Posted by Tim Thompson at 21/02/2012 20:33
Hi Paul Watson, good to hear from you!

I have very good memories of those days well in the 60/70's in just the way you described them - we were certainly left to our own devices, but I firmly believe things were far better in those days.
Posted by dave ibbotson at 21/02/2012 23:27
Hello Tim,
with you talking about the old days, I'm just wondering if you still have the old Lambretta with the very long ariel and tiger's tail that you used to belt up and down the road on, past Hail Mill?
Posted by KWT at 24/02/2012 09:02
Hello Dave
Might be wrong here but your description sounds more like Dave, Tims brother, I'm sure Tim will confirm although I'm also sure Tim will remember belting down the lane to kilpin on Jackos old moped with a "squeezy" bottle as a petrol tank, those were the days!
Posted by Paul Watson at 28/02/2012 11:16
Hello Tim & Keith

Its great to hear from you both, after 40 odd years
I think you are right Keith, it was Dave who had the Lambretta an SX200 if i remember correctly, Tim can no doubt confirm this.

Actually though you were not quite right about my ambitions to be a conductor but you had the right idea. I did start playing classical Trumpet and still do. Your reference to "Jacko" would that have been Stewart Jackson?

Tim(&Keith) you will remember John Gamwell who used to live next door to Tim and was about our age and we had a few laughs with. I think I'm right that he died some years ago.

I still make occasional visits to Howdendyke as I do not live too far away. It is depressing what has happened to the fabric of the village e.g. Jubilee Hall, The Post Office,The Square, Prospect Villas. Prof. J. Douglas Porteous's book is indeed very eloquent on the subject. It is a good read for anyone associated with Howdendyke though I might venture the opinion that it might be somewhat esoteric for anyone else.
Posted by Tim Thompson at 02/03/2012 20:50
Paul, Keith,

The lambretta was my brother Dave's as Keith says, but we did all have some great fun on old mopeds, motorbikes and scooters down Ginny Lane with Stuart And Ricky Jackson. I did at one time have Jeff Feathersone's old Vespa which at one time was connected to the duck-head sidecar - the one mentioned in an earlier input by someone, and I think Shane Tipping had it after me.

It would be good to meet up again at sometime to chew the fat on those good times 40 years ago. Not sure how we make contact though.
Posted by H.M.D. at 06/03/2012 19:30
Hi! Tim T.
You was about 6 Yrs.of age when we left the village but I wonder if you remember our Ian (same age) from Prospect Villas. You used to come to the place and play with Dinky Cars and sometimes take 'em home Ha! haa! Happy days eh ?
I worked casual sometimes with your dad and remember well the small Ransom catapiller tractor that he owned. He paid me 5 bob an hour. He also taught me how to use a cythe (spell ?) to cut down long grass. H.M.D.
Posted by Paul Watson at 07/03/2012 11:04
Tim & Keith

I would be up for a bit of a reunion somewhere local. My e mail is watto59@tiscali.co.uk if you want to get in touch.

Just finished reading "Planned to Death". I would recommend it to all Howdendykers.
Posted by caroline at 08/03/2012 08:17
Posted by Dave Ibbotson at 08/03/2012 23:43
Hello Tim,
you were right about the Lambretta, it was your brother I was thinking of, now I come to remember, I thinkyou and my sister Sue were the same vintage and knew each other at school?
Another memory jogged was the Vespa scooter and sidecar, if the one mentioned earlier was blue and white .......I thought it was a fascinating machine but have never seen another one since.
I've only ever been back to Howden and Hail Mill, once since 1970 and of course there were many changes, but reading this column has rekindled my interest.
Posted by H.M.D. at 28/03/2012 11:58
Anderton's female's
During my employment at Anderton's I can recollect 6 women working there. The first one worked sowing hessian bags, I don't remember her name but there was also Anne Coates in the sulphate bagging shed. The others all drove the Lister truck at various times, being Edith Beaton, Shirley Joy, Madge Peam and Patsy Watts.
Anyone know by chance, when the granulated fertiliser silo was built... See Ya
Posted by Vicki at 06/04/2012 18:58
Creek House - many happy years there! Bill & Joan Baker (Grandad and Grandma, Peter Baker - Uncle, Sue Baker - Mum. Many happy memories of Creek House and Howdendyke.
Hail Farm - Dad, Grandma.
Elm Tree (years ago!) visiting John and Lynn.
Posted by H.M.D. at 14/04/2012 05:42
Hi! all
My brother Cliff, lived in the village for a very short while before moving to Goole. I'd like to include him in this small Howdendyke synopsis.
He now lives with his wife in a small old gold mining village in Australia about the size of Howdendyke. His claim to fame in the Anderton Richardson factory history, is that as a youth he backed a lorry (that Harold Foster was the regular driver of) into a bottom shed pillar. This caused a great deal of damage to the lorry. Jack Wright (foreman) sacked him instantly.
We do smile a lot about it now.
Posted by caroline at 20/04/2012 16:03
Hi Vicki

Welcome to the site hope you find lots of intresting write ups
One thing i remember was climbing that wall to listen to your uncle peter play his music the wall is still there bit worse for wear now so dont think it would be a good idea to risk climbing it now bit strange all that area now with the road cut off to the bank where the post office was .
Posted by Jason at 26/06/2012 15:18
Hi all... I live in Creek House, we've been in the village for about 9 years now and love it here. As there's been a few comments asking: I put the gate up across the road that goes down to the river bank / where the Willows used to be, mainly to stop people dumping stuff down there, especially cars! I bought part of the land/the road off the factory a few years ago but haven't got round to doing anything with it. Most of the villagers with dogs still walk back through there on a round trip. Not a problem unless you're on a top of a wall when they sneak up on you like Mick Daly did to me!
Posted by Sally M at 04/07/2012 21:46
Hello there - I hope you don't mind me adding a comment to your site, but I was so interested to read all the entries. My grandparents, Joe and May Thompson lived in Howden Dyke, in Ouse Cottage for many years, and I have many lovely childhood memories of spending time in the village in the 1970s, meeting the people who lived there, and going on 'adventures' in the countryside with my Grandpa Joe. My Grandpa grew up in the village, with his parents, brother Tom and sister Aimee, although I'm not sure exactly when they moved into Ouse cottage (I seem to remember some talk of them living in the house opposite?). My mum, Janet, (Joe's daughter) was born in Ouse Cottage in 1938. Sadly she passed away in 1987. Her cousin, Tom's daughter, Mary also grew up in the village until they moved to Bradford, I believe. Also, a very good family friend, who became my godmother, also lived there - her married name was Mollie Urwin, but I believe that her maiden name may have been Watson. She lived in Hull after marriage, and passed away in 2010 at wonderful age of 97. I also remember a few other names: Connie and Bill Watson, Joan and Jim Holt, and Annie Wright. I live in South Wales now with my husband and children, and I haven't been to Howden Dyke for many years, so its great to relive some old memories! Best Wishes to you all.
Posted by H.M.D at 07/07/2012 01:37
Hi! Jason.
It's sad to read of the changes to the old village including your installation of the gate... But I agree that people must have their choices.
In the distant past I walked with my family (thru' where you say your gates is) on a few nice Summer Sunday mornings to get ice cream from Boothferry Mayphil cafe. So reading your last post brought back memorys of watching the odd little sail boats go up to Blacktoft jetty on our walk too.
Posted by Pam at 24/10/2012 20:21
Does anyone remember Joan and Jim Holt who lived in Studley House on Howdendyke Road? Joan was a teacher at the primary school in Howden in the late 50's/early 60's, and Jim worked at the chemical works. They had three children, Ann who sadly died in the early 1950's, and two sons Neil and Nigel. Joan's parents lived at the mill down the road, I can'r remember the name, but my mum always used to tell me there was a huge pike in the millpond. My mum was Alice Saltmarshe of Howden and her parents were Nellie and Bill Salmarshe who lived in Hull Road Avenue.
Posted by John Jessop at 02/11/2012 17:06
I remember the Holts well. They started off at 6 Ferry Road in the village then moved to Studley House. Joan and Jim have long passed. I believe Neil works for Barnsley Council now but I don't know where Nigel is.
You are right that Joans parents were the Pollards who lived at Kilpin in the old wind driven water pump house behind Sunny Bank. The pump used to pump water to the chemical works from the flooded clay pit alongside. They must have lived there for years as it was known to all and sundry as Pollards Pond
Posted by Pam at 03/11/2012 23:07
Hi John
Thanks for your reply. Joan's mother was my granny Nell's cousin. My mum, dad and sister spent many happy holidays at Studley House. After Jim's death in the mid 80's, Joan moved to a new bungalow in Hailgate Close and died a few years later. If I remember correctly Nigel worked for Rowntrees in York for a while but as I've completely lost touch with him and Neil, I've no idea what either of them are up to now. Studley House has been up for sale a few times since they left, and if my lottery ticket comes up trumps, it's mine! ;-)
Posted by caroline at 04/11/2012 16:26
Hi John
Thanks for that iformation on Pollards Pond i always wondered where the name came from I can also remember Mr & Mrs Holt
Posted by caroline at 23/11/2012 09:12
can any one remember the chrismas parties which Mr & Mrs Holt did for the village at the jubilee hall in the village and we had a vist from father chrismas
Posted by H.M.D at 23/11/2012 20:51
Is it known by anyone. Does a second book of Howdendyke's history exist, or is there one known to be in the pipeline.
Posted by caroline at 26/11/2012 09:28
Not sure if there is a second book or any plans but if there is not i am sure with all the useful info on this site it would make up a small book
Posted by H.M.D at 06/12/2012 21:11
Thanks Caroline.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 09/12/2012 09:45
To Caroline and HMD. I have always believed that there has never been enough history available of this village
considering the very large ammount of ships built there The Porteous book only touched lightly on John Banks and William Caisley's success story. I had to go to Knottingley to find most of the answers. My interest was with two of my ancestors Joseph Auckland and John Chester.both Shipwrights moved from Thorne to take part in this project. The only visible evidence now on the the river is the two promitories. (Now called Mother Shipton's Stones?) .Which I am told was to create a haven in which vessels moored up.I remember seeing prints and sketches on the walls of the Jolly Sailor of some of the ships. so there were some one anxious to make their mark for future interest
Posted by John Jessop at 10/12/2012 15:28
The only source for a second book on Howdendykes history that I can think of would be Susan Butler our local area historian. I do know she reads this site from time to time so maybe she will pick up this message and comment?
Posted by caroline at 12/12/2012 10:38
Hi Corby

I wonder what happended to those pictures in the Jolly Sailor
Posted by Corby Bunting at 13/12/2012 18:52
Hello Caroline. I have asked that question many times.Probably Ebay or the likes. the curator at GooleMuseum has told me of most unlikely items for sale there for a trivial ammount are appearing on line
The Susan Butler and Ken Powl book on Howden covered little more than a paragraph on the Ship building.
although I would welcome any extra that she may have information on this subject
Posted by Dave Ibbotson at 16/01/2013 12:41
Just signing in again after a long break, as I noticed a posting about the Holt family. I used to ride into Howden everyday with Neil and Nigel, and we left our bikes in a shed behind a pub (the name escapes me!), before catching the bus to school in Goole. Strange that in all those years I don't think I ever met Mr and Mrs Holt.
I too heard the story about 'the giant pike' in the pond!
Posted by Malc at 28/01/2013 20:07
I have just been invited to join a facebook page about Howden, maybe some of you oldies Tim Thompson.... may be interested. Jimmy Tipping and Vicky Close (Baker) are already on it
Posted by Doug Porteous at 10/02/2013 00:39
Now then. I'm Doug Porteous the author of "Planned to Death", and I have just been directed to this fascinationg site. I have no plans to produce a second book about Howdendyke, but someone else should. Then the Dyke will be the most written-about village in the district.
I know most of the village names for the 1950s because I lived at the Post Office 1943-62 and took the mail round the village from about age 8. I did put some stories in my book but I can see from this website that there are a lot more, for someone to put together: homing pigeons; getting stuck in the river mud; climbing the pylon on the Ferry House staith and being chased down by Harry Smith; Harry opening and closing the clough; threshing at Anson's farm; the two white farmhorses out to grass; playing Howden kids at cricket (they were abusive when they lost so we stampeded the horses to give them a fright); mushrooming in Black Shed Field, at the back of Vernie Jessop's greenhouses; frogspawning in that same field; skating on the grips in the back field; swinging from the Bent Tree in that field; going to Sunny Bank (Pollard's Pond) via the Fallen Tree behind the allottments; roaming the fields with Cliff Coulthard of Sunny Bank; characters like Ernest Savage, Tommy Palmer (who told me, when I worked at the shipyard, "I'm akin to thou," and he was), Mary Brammer, and the guy in Prospect Villas who grew tobacco; HBT 90; Bonzo the dog; Holt's last bus from Goole, stopping at Elm Tree; being totally free to run about with other kids of both sexes all day without let or hindrance; trespassing in the Chemics and on the barges at the jetties; Mischievous Night November 4th; Bonfire Night in the Square, Nov. 5th; going birds nesting; watching Bert Tipping climb to the top of enormous trees and dropping crows' eggs down into a loose jacket so they wouldn't break; going for waterhens' eggs with a spoon on the end of a brush handle; etc. The kind of freedom which rarely exists today, with all the fear and Health & Safety.
Some individual messages....
John Jessop: I remember you well, and once worked in your dad's greenhouse; thanks for being the basic fount of knowledge for the village. Keep writing.
Caroline: I remember your mother Carmen and her dog Susie, as well as her sister opposite the PO from where I got my first kitten.
David Robinson: Amazed you remember my bike! It was a 10-speed Carleton (made in Barton-on-Humber?) and I saved up 30 quid to buy it (no tick, then, except at the PO.)
Paul Watson: I sang alongside your dad in Howden Minster choir for many a year.
HMF: If Phyllis Mell at the PO was your great-aunt, I should know you, but can't work out the initials.
A Happy New Year 2013 to all Howdendykers.
Posted by H.M.D. at 14/02/2013 20:58
Doug Porteous. Thanks for your detailed memories.
Posted by John Jessop at 20/02/2013 11:56
Hello Doug. Its good to hear you are reading this group. I didn't recall you working for my dad until you prompted my memory. I do recall catching the school bus to Goole having left our bikes in Tommy Whittakers garage in Hailgate each weekday.
Also I recall the three "dykemen" in waders who used to appear each year to clean out the dykes with shovels, scythes and hard work. Jim Winter, Ira Hutton and Derek Wales were known to everyone. Tiny Sherburn kept the roads clean and scythed the verges over an area covering Howden to Yokefleet which was many miles of roads. Walt Flint ran his mobile shop which called in the villages of the area, selling groceries. That was an Aladdins cave on wheels! There was also a fishman in a van who called selling wet fish once a week. I recall a fried fish shop on wheels but I don't think it survived long due to trade being low. Also Doubtfires and Massarellas ice cream vans used to visit the village regularly. Milk deliveries daily to the door by a man called Ledger from Cotness was another service which started up when TB testing was introduced and farm supplied straight from the cow deliveries stopped.
Randy Lightowler was a regular visitor to the lighthouses on the river bank and used to row across to a light on the opposite bank. No automatic electric lights involved just paraffin lamps which needed topping up and wicks trimming winter and summer.
There must be a few books of memories that could be written but somehow (and sadly) it just doesn't happen.
Posted by sue Thomas nee Habblett at 21/02/2013 21:53
pleased i have found this site. so interesting.my dad was george Habblett.his family has lived around howden for many years.i went to spaldington school when miss jessop was there.i have 4 sisters val christine[me] janet and sandra.my mom was margeret nee giles.we lived at sandwood villis.i can remember playing with yvonne potter on her farm. my sister chris had a friend called elizabeth cook who just lived up the road, i my dad worked for bill webster on the farm ,i remember living at bow window farm ? it was on the side of the main road.we left in 1965, we are planning a trip up soon
regards to all sue
Posted by CRW at 26/02/2013 20:04
Came across this site by accident, fascinating, we lived in Howdendyke early fifties, my sister was born in Prospect Villas.Went to Jubilee Hall to watch the coronation
My Uncle Herbert and my auntie Eleanor (Wressell) lived for many years at 2 New Row. He worked at the Chemics works, had a car which he garaged in the pig yard,as did Walt Collins, the entrance to which was opposite the shop, which was run by Mrs Branton.
My uncle had an allotment at the beginning of the village on the left, next to the road to Skelton, and if I remember rightly opposite the allotments, the first house in the village Wendy Walker lived.
Sometime prior to the Chemical works buying the houses on New Row Dinky Myers moved in next door to Herbert.
Just as an aside the 10 speed bike at the post office was bought for me by my auntie.
Posted by Paul at 05/04/2013 22:59
Hi Stuart (Webmaster)
Isn't there a way to block the above troll? Notice many of the postings have a 37 minute gap.Using an automated programme or just sad?
Posted by Stuart (Webmaster) at 06/04/2013 15:25
Some of the pages are getting lots of automated spam with medicinal offers which I'm sure the people of Howdendyke don't need.

Usually these are automatically hidden, but it seems I need to update the rules use to identify the spam.
Posted by H.M.D. at 17/06/2013 14:05
I now know that Prospect Villas has been destroyed. I wonder if a note that I left in a crack in the stairs of number 5 was ever found by the demolision crew.
I left the note in Feb. 1965 before leaving the country. H.M.D.
Posted by John W at 20/06/2013 23:24
Replying to post Sally M at 04/07/2012 21:46.
Molly Urwin (Nee Watson) was my Dad's(Eric) cousin. I remember as a child visiting Molly and Harry's house in Tavistock Street on Newland Ave in Hull.
I am starting to trace my family tree and any info on Molly and her family in Howdendyke/Kilpin Pike would be gratefully received. My Paternal Grandfather George Watson is being listed as born in Kilpin Pike in 1881.
Posted by H.M.D. at 19/07/2013 01:47
Hello J.J.
Do you or anyone happen to know where to find the source, course, and the end of the actual Howdendyke dyke.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 22/07/2013 14:28
Hello John W. I don't know if this is any help to your research. On the 1871 census of Kilpin at 45 Ratten row
"The Anhor Inn" Tere Lived
John Watson 76 Coal Merchant
Eliza his Wife 53
Thomas son 33 Out of work Millwright
Ann France 73 Servant
I found this for next door at46 was George Moore Cordwainer and wife Olive nee Wright (my Grand Aunt)
George and Olive emigrated to Toronto Followed later by the rest of their family.
Other notable names that lived in the street
Brunyee
Schofield
Claybourn
Posted by John Jessop at 07/09/2013 13:53
Regarding the "Howden Dyke" I believe it was originally the old Derwent. I understand it left the present river Derwent just North of Loftsome Bridge where a pumping station stands now and made its way from there to Howden and then to Howdendyke. There is a book in Goole library with some information in it. I think from memory it was by Ken Powls.
Other drainage ditches joined it in Howden before it reached Howdendyke plus "Husbandmens Drain" joined it near the bridge next to Creek House. This latter drain ran under a bridge from farmland around Wardles garage on the main road.
The bridge by Creek House had a sluice gate with a crank to operate it plus a pair of tidal doors to prevent tidal flow back into the dyke when the river level rose. This was to stop silting up of the dykes.
Sometime around the 1950s a large bore concrete pipe was installed from where the pumping station now is to an outfall adjacent to the ferry slipway. I seem to recall it had a grating at the inland end and the pumping station was an afterthought.
Once the flow through the creek had been bypassed it steadily silted up and only the steel flood fence gives a hint it was ever there.
Posted by Kirk Robinson at 29/09/2013 13:41
Great to find this page. I used to stay in howden dyke at my grans, Elsie Robinson who lived oposite from the post office/shop. I remember the post office having a distinct smell all of its own, I can still smell it now, one of those childhood things that never goes. I recall my gran used to work as a cleaner at the chemical works, and she would take me to the lab a few times just to see the human skull that was there. My Father, Kenneth Robinson, also grew up there. Would really appreciate it if any one can remember him or any memories involving him.
Posted by H.M.D. at 07/10/2013 06:16
Howdendyke: Now village or hamlet ?
Do the factories in the area constitute to the size of village or hamlet ? In some countries hamlets are legaly defined. Others simply describe a small settlement.
A village is described, a centre of a population with an area less than 2.5 square kilometres and will always have a church.
A hamlet, amid several other facts, is a cluster of houses together close to a road
Posted by John Jessop at 26/11/2013 20:27
I think the nearest thing I can recall that Howdendyke had to a church was grace said at the start of various parties in the Jubilee hall. There has been mention of some services on the river bank, I think by Caroline Samples?
Skelton had a chapel (now converted to a house) and Sunday School lessons were held in Skelton School (now the E P Schofield hall). Kilpin had a chapel, also now a house.
Howden was the place where religious needs were served for the village. It had the Minster (C of E) plus Methodist, Wesleyan and Catholic churches and chapels. There could have been others as well.
Interestingly Howden figured large in the pilgrimage of grace and I understand a cross from Howden minster was taken to the meeting point to the North of Barnhill.
Posted by H.M.D at 10/12/2013 03:14
Thank you John Jessop.
I'd like to wish you and everyone who reads this page a Christmas of content and happiness, and for all to flow on to the coming years. H.M.D.
Posted by John Jessop at 15/12/2013 08:49
Merry Christmas to everyone from me too. I wish the Jubillee Hall was still there for the annual childrens Christmas parties, including the present from Santa and the orange we were all given to take home at the end of the evening.
Posted by H.M.D. at 16/12/2013 10:36
I agree, also the Babycham and John Smiths carried home by a very happy person from the club in the square. H.M.D.
Posted by John Jessop at 12/01/2014 16:28
I recently joined the "howden the good old days" facebook page. There are some old maps of Howdendyke presently being discussed on there. One in particular shows the village around 1880 with the old post office, the Anchor Inn which became Cliff and Jenny Kirbys house and the houses in and around the Chemics and the square, many of which were demolished prior to the 1950s.
Posted by H.M.D. at 18/02/2014 06:09
I assume that Howdendyke was flooded at some time before the protection was installed on the river banks. Is it known if or when. H.M.D
Posted by John Jessop at 21/02/2014 19:05
Howdendyke often suffered minor flooding in the vicinity of the square but every house with potential of suffering from rising water had a flood board ready cut to install across the doorway. A stock of clay was available near the Chemics air raid shelter and this was used as a seal between the board and the doorway.
The river banks were raised significantly in the 1950/60s and the sheet steel pile walls driven into them. Only Bunny Smiths house on the staith and the office of Scarrs Shipyard were "wetside" of the raised defences. There was a gap left in the sheet piles with concrete piers and drop in boards to close the gaps in the event of exceptional tides. One was just over the hill of Creek Bridge and it was this one which was reported upon recently. I suspect the problem would lie in decay of the old boards. The second gap was adjacent to Scarrs Shipyard but the building of the Glucose Refinery saw this removed along with the Shipyard buildings and a new section of sheet pile wall created.
There was also serious flooding in the spring of 1947 with large tracts of low lying land beween Howdendyke and Howden when massive pumps were brought up from Portsmouth to get snow melt water out of the Howden dyke into the Ouse faster than the Creek discharge could handle it. Sounds similar to the present problems in the Somerset Levels?
Posted by H.M.D. at 25/02/2014 03:04
Thanks J.J. for the very interesting information. H.M.D
Posted by John Jessop at 21/03/2014 07:43
For anyone interested there are photographs and newspaper clippings of the elm tree which used to stand at the junction of Howdendyke Road and Kilpin Road posted on the "Howden the good old days" facebook group.
Posted by Hayley at 23/03/2014 12:56
Hello, Does anyone know when the 9 terraced houses which are now called New Row were built? I live in one of them and cant find the information anywhere. Thanks x
Posted by John Jessop at 07/04/2014 18:03
I'm guessing a bit but the old style deeds for properties often went back hundreds of years. New Row was owned by the "Chemics" as workers houses for many years but I don’t know if they are mentioned in Doug Porteus' book "Planned to Death". He did a lot of research in the company files and may have turned up the information.
Posted by caroline at 05/05/2014 14:51
Hi Haley
You can get the book Planned to Death from the Library or it is available on ebay good look with the research
Posted by hmd at 30/08/2014 13:03
Hi! J.J.
Above,you mentioned of an air raid shelter in the tillage (Chemics.) works.
Any idea were abouts it was ?
H.M.D.
Posted by John Jessop at 09/09/2014 17:16
The air raid shelter was behind the gardens of the houses in The Square that faced the river bank. It used to run parallel to the line of the houses and had entrances at either end facing away from the houses. There were vents on the top as well which I believe was normal but might have caused difficulty if a bomb had dropped through one.
Posted by H.M.D. at 31/01/2015 05:25
Hi JJ.
May I intrude on your knowledge once more in asking if you know anything of the fields around Howdendyke being flooded via the use of wiers in the river bank. The fields then being left fallow for a period of time.
I am aware 'night soil' was used as fertilizer also. H.M.D.
Posted by Robert Ward at 01/02/2015 10:26
Re flooding the fields: Wikipedia on 'Warping in Agriculture' is a good starting point, in particular its link to a very informative 1845 article by Ralph Creyke, although this is more about the lands South of the river rather than Howendyke specifically.
Posted by John Jessop at 07/02/2015 20:04
Hi HMD. Warping was carried out in many agricultural areas. Gaps were created in the river banks and the high tides allowed to inundate the fields over several tides. The nutrient laden silt carried in the water would settle out, the water drain away and the soil in the field left enriched. Often flood limiting banks would be built some distance from the river to control how far the flooding could reach.
Good examples can be seen in the Blacktoft area where the old Warping channel remains and raised field boundaries can also be seen.
Posted by caroline at 16/02/2015 11:50
Recent article in the goole times and talks about elite offices taking land near to airmyn and the not on my doorstep reminders me of howdendyke and how factory's was built to shelter this small community did any one think of us then ? As the book said planned to death but howdendye people have stuck together in their community.
Posted by John Jessop at 12/04/2015 20:40
I'm not sure that the Chemics would have survived but without the distorting influence of the planning department, more of the village dwellings could still be standing and occupied, Kilpin Lodge might still be standing and Howdendyke Road still a country lane rather than an HGV route to the jetty. The Jubilee Hall, Post Office and Ouse Working Mens club (original building) accessible from Skelton along the riverside road.
I can't imagine sending children to school from Howdendyke to Howden on bicycles in today's traffic. That's progress for you!
Posted by H.M.D at 18/04/2015 04:30
Does anyone know if this is correct ?
During national service in Malaya Geoff featherstone was wounded. Also if there has been any WI or WII regular service personel from Howdendyke ?
Thanks all H.M.D.
Posted by John Jessop at 02/05/2015 22:04
Hi HMD I'm not sure about Jeff Featherstone being wounded in Malaya but you might find some information if you ask on the facebook group Howden the good old days. A lot of people with historical knowledge frequent that group and some of his generation will be able to tell you.
Posted by John Jessop at 02/12/2015 21:38
A while ago I replied to a question about the history of the "Howden Dyke". The subject came up again recently in the facebook group Howde the good old days in connection with the moat in the Ashes Playing Field.
I revisited the reference library in Goole to refresh my memory and my reading revealed the Derwent has had quite a number of different routes throughout the passing of time. The present route between Loftsome Bridge and the Ouse at Barmby was cut during the Roman occupation. Apparently as a waterway for barge traffic which shared some of the water in the Derwent from its upper reaches in North Yorkshire. Until then the Derwent had run from Loftsome across to Howden Parks, snaked its way almost to Hive and turned to discharge into the Ouse South of Kilpin. This might refer to Kilpin Pike? The Howden Dyke was dug from Howdendyke creek to Howden, along the line of Hailgate, across the front of the Cross Keys and met with the waters of the Derwent to the North of Derwent Estate.
I couldn't find a definitive timescale for the widening and deepening of the Loftsome to Barmby section and the reversing of flow in the drainage at Loftsome.
There seems to have been some use of the Howden to Howdendyke section for transportation of goods especially for ecclesiastical work. Perhaps the Staithes at Howdendyke (Bishops Staith, Wards Staith etc) were instrumental in this traffic?
Posted by H.M.D. at 19/12/2015 09:29
Thanks for the details of the 'dyke'. Best wishes for Xmas and the coming year to you J.J. and all Goole on the web readers.
Posted by John Jessop at 05/06/2016 01:57
Everything has gone very quiet in here.
Posted by H.M.D at 24/10/2016 04:25
G'day J.J.
It's almost a year since I graced these pages and experienced the knowledge of by-gone days in the village.
I now have copies of Doug Porteous's book, also Susan Butler & Ken Powls one of Howden.
I'm now very long in the tooth but I still find history of the afore mentioned areas to be of great interest.... H.M.D.
Posted by Alan Robinson at 21/11/2016 14:17
John Jessop I was interested to read your comments on warping in the area. I farm land at Blacktoft which was banked off to stop it being warped. My late father told me of a disagreement between its then owners and the Empsons estate of Yokefleet who warped much of their own land in Blacktoft and Yokefleet. As a result the unwarped fields are lower lying and less fertile than they would have been even to this day !
Posted by John Jessop at 23/12/2016 16:48
Merry Christmas and a happy New year to everyone.
Posted by Mike and Kellie Parry at 12/01/2017 11:22
Hi J J
We are at present looking to buy a property in the howden region and would be greatful for any advice you may be able to give us as we don't fully know the area and are keen to find out as much as we can about it .
The property we are looking at is in Kilpin and was originally the chemical works . it is a small pond and house with pumping tower attached owned by a mr Jackson neighbouring the sunny bank cottages. we would like to know if flooding is a problem in this area as various sources indicate that this is a regular occurrence and we would like to know if it has a direct effect on that property. We are in love with the idea of keeping chickens and geese and running a small fishery and any extra information would be greatly received Thanks Mike and Kellie
Posted by John Jessop at 12/01/2017 15:58
In connection with Sunny Bank pond and windpump attached, I recall this from the 1950s when the Pollards lived there. The pump was driven by wind and pumped water from the pond to the Anderton chemical works in Howdendyke. The pipe ran along the roadside, passing Elm Bungalow, Elm Tree Gardens, Elm Tree House and Studley House along the way. The bungalow, Elm Tree House and Studley House were owned by the works and had branches off the pipe to be supplied with water. Elm Tree Gardens had a branch with permission to use the water in return for making sure cattle troughs in the adjacent field were kept full.
The windpump failed eventually and an electric pump took its place but as mains water became available it was no longer used.
I believe Brian Jackson became the owner sometime in the 1970s and he had the old house renovated plus filled in a large section of the pond which used to extend close to the door of the windpump and the front of the house. This must have vastly improved safety of walking out of the door.
For a while I lived in Elm Tree Bungalow so I'm fairly familiar with the pond and windpump. Sunny Bank Cottages have been extensively altered but originally there were 6 dwellings if my memory serves correctly.
I am not aware of any flooding threatening the house although the adjacent land behind the next pond is particularly low lying and provided a natural sink for water. In addition a main drainage dyke runs in a culvert from the land behind the house, under the cottages and onwards to a pumping station discharge into the Ouse at Skelton Clough.
I hope this helps you. Mention me to Brian when you see him as it's some years since I've seen him.
Posted by Mike and Kellie Parry at 12/01/2017 18:05
Hello John , Thank you very much for answering my text I found your reply most helpful. Its great that you know so much about the areas history and indeed the property its self . We have lived in Dorset for all of our lives and have seen many changes , not all good I have to say . life is set around money and the pace of life has gone from steady to fast and it just doesn't feel like home any more . We both have older grown up children that have flown the nest and are big and daft enough to fend for them selves but we have a younger son of eleven years that we want to bring up in a more settled environment . I am crazy about fishing and Kellie loves the outdoor life style and from all the wonderful feed back that we have received from you and other locals in your area its looking like we have fallen for the kind of life style on offer in your neck of the woods .
I suffered a heart attack last year and have had the doctors orders to reduce stress and get the good life and from what we hear about the area it sounds ideal to have a fresh start in an area that people know one another and a community spirit seems alive and well in Kilpin . I am amazed at the sence of community its something that I knew as a kid but alas is missing in the busy south and I feel it will never be the same again . so hence the change of direction. Wendy and Patrica , Jimmy and louise are a few more of the locals that we have spoken to and I am so taken back by the kind and warm nature of the local people. We cannot wait to come to see for ourselves as the setting looks truly beautiful and I get a great feel of community that I haven't felt in years . I will indeed say hello to Mr Jackson for you and should we be lucky enough to buy this property we would love for you to pay us a visit . Thanks once again for your help and advice it was most helpful Mike and Kellie
Posted by Keith at 15/01/2017 10:40
Hi, Hope you get the pond at Kilpin. I wanted to buy it before Mr Jackson bought it as I am an avid fisherman and fished Kilpin from a boy, only at that time my wife and I dare not take the plunge. I did have big ideas of altering the layout to include a seating and eating area among other things. But excuse the pun that's pie in the sky now. Anyway hope you get the dream!
Posted by caroline at 03/05/2017 19:16
Trying to find info on my Grandad Charlie Newman married. To kitty Newman father of ma is Alan and peter we know he left the family home and moved to Goole I met him once but nothing since he was a bit of a black sheep of the family a y help or memories. Would be great 😊
Posted by John Jessop at 31/05/2017 06:22
To Caroline. I'm 70 now and can only vaguely recall seeing Charlie once or twice in Howdendyke when I was a child. I'm unable to help with details and age will be fast claiming anyone who can. I'd suggest your best bet would be to ask the older people who go in Howdendyke Club if they have any memories of him or try to find out where people who used to live in the village in the 1950s have moved to and try to locate them.
It's going to be time consuming and I wish you luck. Posting any snippets of information you find in here might trigger a few memories to help in your search.
Posted by John Jessop at 01/04/2018 05:29
Ferry Road Studios?
I've just heard a reference to Howdendyke having Ferry Road Studios on an Old Hull Facebook Page. This was something I'd never heard of. Can anyone fill in the details?

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