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A Bennett Line advert The entrance to the Goole Steam Shipping Company Malcolm Campbell's Bluebird at Goole Docks, 1933

By the end of the Victorian days, most ships were run via commercial shipping companies. There were many based in Goole, each with their own offices and ensigns. Once of the largest ones was Bennet's Red Cross Line, running regular services to Boulogne. Their main cargo was fresh fruit and vegetables, although they once carried an entire circus troupe. Their ensign was a red cross which they had to change because it infringed the Geneva Convention Act. They lost several ships in both World Wars and finally closed down in 1946 after when John Bennett died. The company was taken over by the General Steam Navigation Company who continued to operate a Goole-Boulogne service until 1974.

The Goole Steam Shipping Company was formed in 1864 and had a black, red and buff ensign (or soot, blood and suet as it was known by the locals). Bartholomew was chairman of the company between 1880 to 1904 and the company was very successful. Originally their ships were named after rivers such as the Ouse, Aire, Calder, Derwent, Wharfe, Hebble, Don and Nidd. In 1905 they were taken over by the L&YR and the letters L and Y were added to their ensign. After this time, their ships were known as 'Lanky Boats'. As with other shipping companies, many of their boats were lost in the World Wars.

Goole also had the dry docks, maintenance and shipbuilding facilities required to maintain the traffic. Goole shipyard was based in Old Goole south of the Dutch River and its cranes formed a distinctive part of the landscape until it closed in the early 1980's.

Lock Hill in 1907 The Equity passing between Ouse and Railway docks The Seacross in the docks today

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Posted by dawn oldridge at 16/01/2012 10:21
hi can anybody help am trying to find out what ships my greatgrand father sailed on from 1886 to 1905 his name was John brown and was born in Germany, his family was all born in Goole he was working as a tender in 1920s on Goole docks hope some one can point me in the right direction
Posted by micheal smith at 19/01/2012 11:53
Hello Pedro
Just a feed back on my query made on 15.11.2009
on your goole ships site.which you kindly answered for me.
yesterday belive it or not had a e-mail out of the blue.saying would i like this. It was a photo of the KATE.
Posted by pedro at 23/01/2012 00:02
glad you got your pic mike.hamish and all Im off to warmer climes hear from you all later i will be back in Goole 8th may but will be taking my lap top to keep in touch
Posted by Hamish at 23/01/2012 20:18
Lucky B====R Pedro!!! we have around two feet of snow and the temp is-12c so wish I was going with you, have fun and catch up on your Rum time!
Posted by Paul at 23/01/2012 20:56
SS Matje
Does anybody have any information about this vessel? My grandfather was the captain in the '40's/early '50's. I have a painting of the vessel by Reuben Chappell which indicates it was registered in Hull. Did it sail to Goole,was it a coaster or did ply to the continent etc?
The only information I can find to a Matje is an undated photograph on the website photo ship and a reference for 1915 on the naval history site "278grt u-boat attack (presumed U38) 43 milesN byE of South Bishops, rescued". Thanks for any help.
Posted by Anthony Kirkham at 28/01/2012 21:59
Posted by Peter Hill at 12/02/2012 12:30
It was fifty years ago to the day,12 February 1962, that the crew of the AHL-operated Fountains Abbey abandoned ship 76 miles to the east of Spurn Head. Homeward bound from Bremen and Hamburg, a fire broke out and took hold quickly.Within minutes of his call about the fire to Humber Radio, the ship's master, Fred Wooller gave the order to launch the lifeboats.It was no easy task in the heavy seas but 18 members of the crew, including Wooller, boarded the port lifeboat. As they attempted to clear the side of the ship, the stern rose on a large wave and crashed down on the lifeboat.The ship's bosun,James Cleary and a motorman, William Gilmartin both of Goole were fatally injured.The Lowestoft trawler, John O' Heugh, managed to transfer the survivors from the lifeboat but the boat drifted away before the bodies of the fatally injured crewmen could be recovered. It was three days later that they were recovered by the Norwegian ship, Rondo. Among the survivors were Gordon King, chief engineer;Sidney Stowe,AB; James Dawson, steward; Michael Spencer, assistant steward; and Robert Denman all of Goole.The 22 year old mate of the trawler, Boston Spitfire, received awards from the Lloyd's insurance market and the Royal Humane Society for his role in rescuing two other crew members from the blazing ship.Subsequent investigation concluded that the probable cause of the blaze was spillage from drums of inflammable sodium chlorite which had shifted during the heavy weather.There had been spontaneous combustion when the spillage came into contact with bales of wool which also formed part of the cargo.A sad anniversary.
Posted by Hamish at 13/02/2012 00:40
Ahoy Peter can I refer you back to Gary's post of 14/02/2009 for a somewhat different slant on this fiasco
Posted by Gary Worton at 13/02/2012 00:56
Memories. Fifty years ago. Where did the time go?
Hi, Peter Hill. If you scroll back several years on this web site, (14 Feb 2009 and 7 Oct 2009), you will see that I posted my opinion on the loss of the Fountains Abbey. I was an AB on the Byland Abbey at the time, homeward bound from Copenhagen.
We were ordered to offer what assistance we could but unfortunately, we were too far away to be of any use.
What does stick in my mind however, is the fact that fearless Fred Wooler (Capt) may have jumped the gun, as the fire burned itself out and the ship was boarded and towed by a Dutch salvage company.
Wooler, having lost his ship and two crew members, was awarded a medal. C'est la vie!
Posted by Kev Oldridge at 15/02/2012 17:08
Re: S.S. Calder

I noted a posting by a Mr Chesters in relation to the above but his posting seems to have disappeared from this website. I would have responded earlier but had to check some information first.

Mr Chesters stated that his grandfather, Joseph Knight, was drown on the mysterious sinking of the above vessel. The person who drown was infact Mr Ernest Albert Knight leaving 8 (eight) daughters and a wife back in Goole. Ernest Albert Knight was also my wife's grandfather.

I have a copy of the original newspaper article in The Goole Times from 24th April 1931, which confirms this fact.

This was not the only tragic event to affect the family. As far as I am aware, there was only 1 enemy bombing incident to hit Goole during WWII, which occurred in Jackson Street on Monday afternoon 3rd August 1942. The house the Knight family were living in down Jackson Street was hit by the bombs and the family buried in the rubble. Fortunately, none of the family were killed but Joseph Knight was detained in hospital. Sadly, 3 people from other houses were killed.

Again, I have a copy of the original newspaper article in The Howdenshire Gazette printed 7th August 1942, which gives more details of the raid and the losses caused.

If Mr Chesters would like a copy of these please post a note on this website together with your email address.

Kind Regards
Posted by paul at 16/02/2012 14:57
Read with interest you information about the bombing in Jackson Street. I was born at No, 17 in 1944.I recall there was a small area of waste ground at the end of the terrace and the terrace to the rear in Weatherill Street extended further toward Boothferry Road. The plot was rectangular fronting Jackson Street with an alley way to the rear and a doctor's surgery or dentist beteen it and Boothferry Road.The site was first developed as a painters and decorators warehouse by the Settles who lived in a large detached house in Jackson Street which backed on to hospltal. The main bomb site considerably larger and was bounded by Boothferry Road and Weatherill Sireet and had a 2/3 feet crater.Played on the site for many a year and it hosted many bonfires. I believe the site was eventually rebuilt as a garage/showrooms?
Posted by paul at 16/02/2012 17:28
Kev. Oldridge
Just had a look om google earth street scenes and the end house in Jackson street is no.11 so 5 houses may have suffered in the bombing.
Posted by Kev oldridge at 17/02/2012 15:39
Hi again paul:

From reports I have seen there were 14 houses destroyed or severely damaged. But some damage was incurred in Boothferry Road and Parliament Street as well. Although, Jackson Street appears to have caught the worst of the impact. Apparently, some property at the opposite side of Jackson Street, at the rear of the furniture shop/ cinema, was also damaged. As was an unoccupied patients Ward in St John's Hospital next door.

Best Wishes
Posted by GEORGE ROBINSON at 18/02/2012 22:01
ss Matje
Paul, there was a small steam coaster MATJE dating from 1890 which was with Hull owners 1920-1923 only, that could well coincide with being painted by Chappell BUT she then went to Liverpool owners and was broken up in 1935, so it doesn't quite fit your dates of 1940-50's. I can give further details if you think it might be this one after all.
George, Cottingham
Posted by Paul at 18/02/2012 22:16
Hi Kev
Thanks for the information. I should really know more about the incident but perhaps I wasn't attentive enough nor curious .
Thinking back you reminded me that the other side of Jackson Street was affected and the hospital beyond. It is less clear in my mind as I think it was fenced unlike the opposite side which was open and chidren in the area congregated there. The end property of the original terrace is number 16, so if the numbering hasn't changed 7 houses could have been affected.
Then we have the even side which I suggested 5 houses could have been affected. On the larger site I think all the properties affected fronted Boothferry Road. The one or two buildings, which existed, when I was young. fronted Boothferry Road and their rear boundary was the access road running parrallel to BR from Jackson Street to Weatherill Street. The end terrace in Weatherill Street is No.2 so I don't think it extended to the main road.
Posted by Paul at 18/02/2012 22:34
Hi Kev.
Sorry but just pressed the wrong key before i'd finished.
Across the road I recall there was a fence down Parlialment Street and fronting Boothferry Road with a block of flats on the corner with Dunhill Road opposite the former school. The two end properties in Parliament Street,judging by their numbering and as both blocks are equidistant from Boothferry Road, are the original ones.
It's likely that the two Boothferry Road sites would have contained some houses.
From an aerial photograph of the affected sites you can see a fairly straight bombing run line running fom NE To SW or vice-versa. All four sites seem fairly rectangular suggesting demolition took place to provide more useful shapes for re-development.
Well that's my theory but thanks for jogging my memory.
Best wishes
Posted by Paul at 18/02/2012 23:30
George Robinson

Thanks George for your reply.
As my grandfather was sailing in the late '40's and early '50's and I had the painting of the SS Matje with his name on it I put 2 and 2 together.From your information it clearly doesn't make 4. After the ship went to Liverpool he must have got another one but no painting this time!!! Don't think I'll be able to find out which one after so many years.
Anyway I am most grateful for your post but it has left me with a mystery.

Best wishes
Posted by GEORGE ROBINSON at 21/02/2012 08:03
ss Matje
That's fine Paul, the photo you found is the right vessel as it also appears in the book 'Cambrian Coasters' by Roy Fenton/WSS.
Of course this is another rediscovered Chappell in private ownership, I wonder how many more there are out there! The Waterways Museum has a small collection of them now, have a look in if you are nearby.
Posted by GEORGE ROBINSON at 27/02/2012 09:40
Your best plan might be to try the DFDS office/archive in Copenhagen as they were her last owners.
Posted by pedro at 03/04/2012 11:06
re-Hudson Ward I cant remember the colour of the barges but recall that the lorries were dark green with I believe gold lettering with Hudson Ward & Co Ltd Millers Goole.And along the side Maufacturers of Animal Feed.How ever more recent they owned two fresh water tankers supplying the ships but cant remember the colour
Posted by GEORGE ROBINSON at 04/04/2012 17:10
Mick did you not contact Les Reid from Newark, I am sure he will know.
Posted by Wendy Owen at 14/05/2012 20:37
GRACE.. does anyone have any info for any of the GRACE men that were vessel owners, master mariners, watermen etc.. Thomas Grace & wife Hannah are aboard "Louisa". Thomas Thompson Grace was a Waterman/Barge. Walter a Waterman's Mate/Barge. Ernest Waterman/Barge. Lawrence was Shipyard/Royal Navy for both wars before "Renovia" a minesweeper was blown up whilst searching for mines. William Merchant Service. John a Mariner. Edward Master Mariner/ Barge born Selby but lived mostly at Goole. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Posted by arthur mason at 22/05/2012 01:06
a bit late in life but i have just found this site and ended up reading about lots of old shipmates. hi hamish.they say you live and learn well im learning hope to hear from someone from the past

Posted by Hamish at 24/05/2012 00:59
Arther Mason!! I was on the Seaford with you (I think)if not it must have been the Polden?? You are/ were from Leeds,and I think the Seaford must be the one, Alfie Whale was mate, and Stark was Master, Jimmy Cooper also from Leeds, along with Peter Olley Leeds were AB'b with us, you had your wife visit a couple of times when we were in Goole have I got the right Guy???
Posted by arthur mason at 25/05/2012 02:10
you got it right hamish although i never sailed on the seaford i was on the polden a few times the only steve clarks i was on were the henfield .. and beeding like you i tried to miss the lanky boats not enough money on them. looking through my book i find i got a big red VNC off the steyning but i cant for the life of me remember why i was only on there a couple of weeks ln1962 . must have been a bad boy or something. unless it was fulboard day in goole
iseem to remember most of my time ashore there but wednesdays are always a bit vague. i cant think why. the polden i was on quite a few times over the years but im going to go through my discharge books to sort out some dates
Posted by Hamish at 25/05/2012 15:43
Greetings Arthur OK ,so it was the Polden, don't have my discharge book handy so can't remember dates ,Teddy Eoll was master he left about the same time as me to take a job as a Seaham Harbour pilot, and the mate can't remember his name, spent the whole war in a Nazi prison camp, after being torpedoed in the Bay of Biscay homeward bound after a two year trip(a long time to be away from home)Yes I remember some of your/our antics on full board day them were the days tho!!!Where are you living now? I see you were still at sea in 62 I 'quit in 57 and came to Canada before they caught me for national service,, and have been here ever since, the best move I ever made, lived in Ontario to start but after a couple of years moved west to British Columbia where I have been ever since For the life of me I cannot remember any of the AB's on the polden except yourself of course, the steward Reg Lewis (Gay) and the little cook (hell of a good cook) came from Goole,Reg lived in Poole, the firemen were all Laskars as I recall a great little ship never the less, there are a couple of chaps who have posted on this site who sailed on the Steyning, but I cannot recall ever seeing her in Goole,I Iook in on the "ships nostalgia" website quite a bit but have only hit on one guy I sailed with wayback in 1950 altho I have found a couple of guys who had sailed with guys I had sailed with, if that makes sense, but at this age they are all getting "thin on the ground" did you ever know Billy Guy? or George Cannon both goole lads?
Posted by Hamish at 25/05/2012 15:52
Ahoy Arthur dig out your discharge book and lets compare dates as I just noticed you were on the Beeding altho I don't remember you at that time Benny Johnson, Joe Saunders, and Paddy Oconner,and myself were AB's with Big bill Johnston bosun, Surtees was skipper
Posted by Tricia at 17/06/2012 13:47
SS Colne - 11/12 March 1906: ~HELP~! Does anyone know where I can get further information about the sinking of this ship? I have seen a memorial postcard of it on the net and I would like to know why this postcard was produced - to raise funds for widows and dependents? Was their a memorial service held in Goole and was it reported in the paper? Many thanks in advance!
Posted by Phil Slater at 17/06/2012 20:24
If anyone is interested, I am selling an 8mm home movie showing the launch of the M V Melrose Abbey from Hull on 16th October 1958. Item number 280902972939 if you want to take a look.
Posted by Glynne Hughes at 20/06/2012 13:58
To Tricia,
I have some data wrt SS Colne given to me by Christine Rickards (nee Townsley). If you will post your email address I will send it to you.

My 1st cousin (2XR) Ralph Snowden was one of those drowned in the disaster.

Glynne Hughes
Posted by looking at 12/07/2012 21:02
has enybody eny imfo on a goole seaman.called robert owen
called red bob . he was a welsh man sailing out of goole. inthe early 1900 hundreds 20/ s and 30/s
Posted by emmo at 13/07/2012 06:11
my dad is called robert owen but he wasent born untill 1936 he was a seaman he has lived in goole the biggest part of his life
Posted by emmo at 13/07/2012 07:10
ps his father was also called robert owen who also went to sea
Posted by looking at 21/07/2012 20:12
was robert owen. his father a welsh man
Posted by emmo at 26/07/2012 06:11
yes he was
Posted by Tricia at 17/08/2012 21:50
Thank you Glynne
My e.mail is patricia.honour(at)
Posted by eddie audas at 04/10/2012 13:37
To paul and anyone interested in the bombing of jackson street. the bomber was fireing his guns in a line from beyond the baths hall area with bullets passing over pasture rd , hitting the roofs someware about the ironmongers and hitting the windows of the butchers in red lion street. You may still see the slight sagging in the ridge of the roof of pasture rd.
Posted by eddie audas at 04/10/2012 13:48
I have found an old postcard that I brought with me to benidorm that has a letter that refers to (an) ss calder in 1914. The card was posted on monday 18 may 1914, it was fogbound in goole and posted to winteringham by someone that could be called arthur ?????. Any coments.
Posted by Paul at 05/10/2012 20:31
Eddie Audas.
Thanks for your information as it now confirms the direction of the raid.I have recently bought Goole, a pictorial history vol.4 by Susan Butler which has photographs of the damage in Jackson Street and Boothferry Road.
Posted by HARRY TUTTY at 08/10/2012 10:40
Posted by David Lea-Jackson at 08/10/2012 17:16
I never cease to be amazed at what comes up on the net when "surfing".I refer to Rueben Chappel.On checking his work I came across two paintings that have family connections.
My grandfather got his full ticket in 1900 and his second ship was the SS ARGUS.His brother Stephen was apprenticed on the barque "GOLDEN WEDDING" with Captain David Reece.
Posted by Paul at 09/10/2012 01:07
Hi Harry
Your posting has now confused me regarding the bombing in Jackson Street. From Eddie's posting and what I've surmised the attack was on a NE to SW or E to W bomb run. Properties/buildings in Centenary Road, the hospital, even numbers in Jackson Street and 1-9 Jackson Street and properties fronting onto Boothferry Road bounded by Weatherill Street and Jackson Street, and Parliament Street and Dunhill Road were affected. This doesn't suggest a north /south run down Weatherill Street from Centenary Road where no properties were affected. Did the plane you describe take that course after the bombings or before? I'm not aware the bomber crashed. Were there two aeroplanes?
What is your theory or the theory that is yours? (Monty Python)
Best wishes Paul.
Posted by HARRY TUTTY at 10/10/2012 21:02
Posted by Paul at 12/10/2012 15:34
Hi Harry thanks for your reply.I'm sure you have a very clear memory of the event.
Having re-read Goole a pictorial history Vo.4 by Susan Butler she writes "The bombs(4) fell close together,damaging the workhouse(later St John's Hospital and now the site of Tesco) and the Carlton cinema as well as destroying houses in Boothferry Road and Jackson Street".This is how I concluded the bomb run appeared to be on a NE-SE or E-W line.
I have just ordered a publication by Mike Marsh in which there is supposed to be detailed account of the bombing.Hopefully this will throw further light on what happened.
My only thoughts on your theory of flying down Weatherill Street at a very low height is why the spread of the bombs was so wide to take in the workhouse,some way to the east, and why 2-10 weatherill street weren't affected but the properties to the rear(1-9 Jackson Street) and the even nos. in Jackson Street were,taking into account one of the bomb craters was close to No.2 Weatherill street.
An article in 2006 in the Goole Times says the pilot Rudolph Hollensleben was recommended for a Knight's Cross despite the fact he was trying to bomb Armthorpe airfield.
The only other information I can find, again from Susan Butler's book, regarding a plane flying from Centenary Road, just clearing St Paul's church and crashing in Dunhill Road and damaging Boothferry Road School occurred in November 1940.This was a Hampden bomber returning to RAF Lindholme.
Anyway I shall plough on with the mystery and await my ordered books to see if there is a definitive explanation.
Best wishes Paul
Posted by eddie audas at 12/10/2012 23:15
hi harrypaul,
I assumed that the line of the plane was the same as the bullet path as I did nt see it. I know that the plane was aiming at the tall chimny of the hospital, this was near to the cosy carlton picture house side. I assumed that the gunner was in the front turret. It could be that the plane turned to the east after the bomb release to go home . regards eddie
Posted by HARRY TUTTY at 13/10/2012 09:40
Posted by Corby Bunting at 13/10/2012 13:14
Hello last someone has come forward to find the truth regarding the bombing of Goole. Everybody I speak to has their own version of that moment in time.'
My memory is still vivid. I was seven and a half and playing on the land that was to become the Fairground in Stanley Street. We were all used to hearing the sound of Wellington bombers which flew from Pollington.But I remember the sound was different. On looking up I saw the 'plane and the four objects dropping from it.My brother who was in the RN on leave ran out from our home and picked me up.Then running indoors .Throwing me under the stairs I remember well the height the plane was flying and have said .That if I had placed my hand at arms length .My palm would have covered it.My Brother Jim later found out that the plane was travelling West To East and was told that it was assumed it had left Leeds The Water Tower was the target. also ,it needed height to clear the Barrage Baloons at Hull
The most amusing account came from an apprentice that I once worked with .He said the pilot could be seen grinning for he saw his teeth. This person is five years my junior. Which would make him two and half at that time! That is my five pennoth
Posted by paul at 14/10/2012 19:06
Hi Corby.Thanks for your contribution.My interest in the bombing was raised by seeing a photograph of the damage on Susan Butler's website and I subsequently bought her book which has an account of the event.I was born at no.17 Jackson Street two years later and wondered how close my parents came to tragedy. My cousin tells me that they were away on honeymoon so would have returned to devastation.
Whilst as you say many have their own versions of the event and I'm not going to argue with Harry's account as he was there.
Contemporary accounts from Mike Marsh's book say that properties in Fourth Avenue/Pasture Road/Widup Street etc were strafed before the bombing.Although I don't know what type of German bomber was involved but as Eddie suggested if it had a front turret a wide area could have been affected on a N-S run down Weatherill Street compared to fixed guns on the wings. Two of the bombs dropped on or near 1/3 Jackson Street and between 2 Weatherill Street and Boothferry Road.Again in a N/S alignment I would assume the other two bombs dropped between the end properties in Jackson Street and Weatherill Street and Boothferry Road.
However.Mike Marsh in "Goole at War" Vol.2 states "one bomb fell on an overflow ward of the St John's Hospital, then occupying the Boothferry Road supermarket site of today." This bomb seems quite a distance from the other 3 especially as the bomber was flying very low.Perhaps someone with knowledge of bombing would be able to confirm that it would not be unusual for such a spread.
It's interesting as you suggest,Corby,that the water tower was another target. As I posted recently an article in the Goole Times in 2006 stated-
"Kapitan Hellensleben, who had been sent to attack Armthorpe airfield but could not find it in heavy mist, was recommended for the Knight's Cross, the German equivalent of the Victoria Cross".
Regarding your memory of the events and that you saw the plane dropping the bombs was the plane flying towards you.This is a W-E direction as confirmed by your brother.The difficulty with this version is that strafing in the Pasture Road area occurred before the bombing.Possible explanation is the strafing occurred on an E-W run then the bomber returned on its bombing run from W-E.
I originally thought my theory was right the bombing being on a NE-SW alignments.In NE Diary 1939-1945 by Roy Ripley and Brian Pears it states "Monday, 3rd August 1942 D1066
Several day attacks on Middlesbrough, in one raid, the railway station was badly damaged and eight people were killed. Of these raids, the first came soon after mid-day when nine enemy aircraft flew over the Humber area dropping bombs at scattered points, including Goole where 200 houses were damaged, minor incidents were also reported at Withernsea"
One of the bombers if it was to attack Armthorpe airfield would have followed the Rivers Humber and Ouse and then taken a bearing for the airfield which is SW of Goole. Because of cloud/mist something went wrong and 4 bombs were dropped on Goole.The NE -SW bombing run could be supported by the line of bombs in a fairly straight line from the hospital(workhouse)site, 1-3 Jackson Street and two bombs on the site bounded by Boothferry Road,Jackson Street and Boothferry Road.This suggestion is then supported by accounts that properties further to the E were strafed before bombing was heard.
Anyway I think I've exhausted the topic.
Something completely different.In late '40's early '50's I recall an old eccentric gentleman riding a ladies bike with basket on the front riding around town and particularly down Weatherill Street.What was his name and what was his dogs name? Sorry, no prizes.
Posted by eddie audas at 14/10/2012 21:24
harry,paul ,corbybunting Hi all you are possibly right in east to west as poets corner to pasture road would have been in line of the front machinegun swiveled from left to right .
I would consider that it could have been involved in the bombing of hull , missing any targets and going inland along the east bank and then turning east to head home. all guess work but who knows.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 15/10/2012 12:06
Harry, Eddy and Paul. Me again. The odd thing for me is after seeing the bombs drop I spent some time under the stairs.Which could explain that I never heard gunfire.My brother identified the aircraft as a Dornierand later gave me a book of aircraft siluettes which I always carried with me throughout the war. a friend of mine who lives in Airmyn also saw the bombs leave the plane at height. He was also rushed indoors.
One final note. My wife who's home was in Gordon St Was staying with her grandparents Ted and Agnes Hall at 119 Jackson St. Her mother was confined in the maternity hospital at the time My wife aged four remembers a comotion and on coming down stairs in her jammas She saw the front room windows strewn all over the floor. She must have been a heavy sleeper!
Posted by Corby Bunting at 15/10/2012 14:42
I hope that this may be allowed to feature in these pages.A question may arise as to what my brother was doing at home during hostilities. So,because the heading is ships and relates to Goole seamen. It is about my brother. James Percy bunting 1920.When leaving school he worked first at the Slaughterhouse Then the building of the Ocean Lock In 1936 he joined the RN Hisfirst ship being the Royal Oak.Followed by the Revenge.The Revenge went into Durban for a refit So he was sent home to join the RMS Scythia (Middle east troopcarrier) in Southamptonin 1942. His first trip this ship was torpedoed by air but made it into Algiers..He was in Alexandria awaiting the Orion which later took part in the bombardment of Anzio One evening in Aex. he ,by chance bumped into his brother Herbert (who was in the 8th. Army) in a bar. My mother heard of this liason. She was so grief stricken that she had a massive heart attack and passed away March 1943.After serving on the Orion Jim finished his time on the Depot ship Montclare
Posted by Paul at 15/10/2012 22:46
Hi Corby
I said in my last post that I thought I had exhausted my comments on the issue but after further thoughts it would be churlish not to reconsider the W-E bombing direction.A scenario is that the bomber passed N or S of Goole on the way to Airmthorpe Airfield.Because of clouds/ mist it didn't locate the target and so was returning over Goole from the SW/W. Before dropping its bombs a wide area was strafed including the Pasture Road area and then continued E over Stanley Street, where you were, back to Germany.I thought the bomber might have been a Heinkel eg HE 111 or HE 177 but if it was a Dornier a De17? All three have front turrets I believe/could be wrong!
I've now discovered a contributor to a BBC Website World War 11 Peoples War who said "a bomb landed on my house at 150 Boothferry Road". The current no. 150 is on the south side of Boothferry Road between Carter Street and Parliament Street. A photograph In Susan Butler's book shows the United Free Methodist chapel on the corner of Parliament Street was damaged (demolished in 1962).The row of houses on Boothferry Road between Parliament Street and Dunhill Road were badly damaged and subsequently demolished.Perhaps No. 150 was in this row.I recall this site as cleared with advert hoardngs to the flats on the corner of Dunhill Road and adjacent to Boothferry Road School.These houses were also directly opposite the end of Weatherill Street.
I now believe the line of the 4 bombs were on/near 150 Boothferry Road, between the end of 2 Weatherill Street and Boothferry Road( I saw the crater), near 1/3 Jackson Street and finally in the grounds of the former workhouse/St John's Hospital.That pattern could fit your W/E flightpath or my initial NE/SW but as Harry experienced first hand a N/S alignment I'll have to take his account. I would like to know whether it would be technically possible for a bomb on the N/S flightpath to have wandered so far into the workhouse/St John's site.
I did e-mail Susan Butler to see whether she had knowledge of the direction of the flight but whilst having many accounts of the bombing she was unable to assist having mentioned it to various contacts.I've tried to get in touch with Mike Marsh who wrote 3 volumes on Goole at War but the tel. no. I was given appears to be disconnected but he's somewhere in Cumbria with a possible view on the topic!!.
Best wishes.
Posted by jane at 16/10/2012 10:52
General Enquiry : M. V. Fountains Abbey lost at Sea February 1962.

Hi. I have seen some posts on this site about the MV Fountains Abbey. The Bosun who lost his life in this tradegy in February 1962 was my Uncle. I have been trying to get as much information as possible about this event. There appear to be conflicting reports of the tradegy. The main thing I would love to find out about was his body recovered as there are conflicting reports in newspaper accounts and if so, where is his final resting place. If anyone could help this would be great.
Posted by Jane at 16/10/2012 11:08
M.V. Fountains Abbey Lost Feb. 1962.

Sorry in previous post forgot to mention the Bosun's name, James Cleary.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 18/10/2012 09:38
Hi Paul. I can confirm that the aircraft was a Dornier DE17
I have phoned Mike Marsh on occasions to clarify articles that he has placed in the three volumes.I think any input from him on this matter would not be first hand has he is far too young to have seen it
Posted by Corby Bunting at 18/10/2012 09:44
Hello Jane. I had an uncle and a friend (both Engineers)who both sailed on the Fountains Abbey. But not at he time of the disaster.
The most graphic account that I have heard from a man who was in the lifeboat by the name of Mike Spence I have his address but no longer his phone number
Posted by Wilf Brown at 18/10/2012 19:56
Hi Jane. If you go back on this section of the site to 12/02/2012 and read the notes from Peter Hill, I think some of your questions will be answered.
Posted by Paul at 18/10/2012 21:22
Hi Corby
A final contribution on the Goole bombing.
I was wondering why the Dornier would want to bomb Armthope airfield and I came across an English Heritage website called "pastcape." The website indicates that the airfield was a decoy.It was developed as a decoy for night bombing at RAF Finningley from 1940-1942. Additionally by adding buildings, sidings etc it was also a decoy for Workham Main Colliery from 1941-43 and Doncaster generally.
The Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross was the highest award of Germany to recognize extreme battlefield bravery or successful military leadership during World War II. Whilst the pilot may have been recommended for this honour if only it was known that the original "airfield" target was of no consequence but damage was to a predominanlty residential area I doubt his actions could come within the terms of the Cross.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 19/10/2012 00:15
Hi Paul I hope this will be my final summing up of the incident. I was once a member of the local history group.In one story I placed in the Norseman was my memory of that day.That was 10 years ago. I stated then that the plane was a Dornier.There are many historians within the group. Yet no one commented.Now it appears a member has even met the pilot! An article in the Goole Times has named him. Did the pilot know what plane he was flying? We have heard about heavy strafing. How many people were injured by gunshot ? Would the pilot fly so low whilst attempting to Waste a load of bombs on a hospital Chimney? That bombload would have been better used for the Water Tower or The Locks. Think of the devistation in both cases. The spread of the bombs meant that they were loosed at altitude witnessed by my friend in Airmyn and myself. I think that there has been too much conjecture and little hard fact
Posted by pedro at 19/10/2012 14:13
bombing us goolies how dare they.As kids returning from fighting the japs on westfield banks (wessex)Along with harry cross-alec smithson-maurice harrison-yours truly and others we thought the luftwaffe was after us.the plane deffinately travelling north to south.I can only summise it change direction later.I went home to tell mum a german plane was trying to shoot us :0)
Posted by Corby Bunting at 19/10/2012 23:44
Hi Pedro. You have become a sranger to these pages.Those Japs at Wezzaks were a niusance. I remember them well.along with the Lions and Tigers.It is strange that you mentioned it approaching from the North. for Middlesborough was also bombed and strafed the same day by a lone Dornier217.
To Paul. I can't seem to let this go.I have been Googling and found that Rudolf H finally did recieve the Knights Cross 11.5.1943. He was killed by aircraft gunfire whilst driving his car to the aerodrome.19.4.1945.The now Heavy bomber Dornier 217 became in use from Dec 1941 Flying mainly from
Soesterberg Holland
Posted by pedro at 20/10/2012 12:33
hi Corby Iam presently languishing in the sun on my favourite caribbean island until next april.Using my trusty lap top to keep in touch,Harry Tutty got it right re-the direction of the flight.Tip Jackson (later to become my father in law)recalled a funeral hearse in Weatherall St under which he took refuge lol.Harry Cross stating (doubtfully) he could actually see the pilot waving at him.The plane was indeed flying at a very low altitude and unless it gain height very quickley it would have crashed into the old salt and pepper pot water towers.The docks would have been a far better target. regards to all P
Posted by Paul at 20/10/2012 15:19
Posted by Gary Worton at 20/10/2012 23:10
Nice to see some of the old names re-emerge on the site. Don't get me wrong; all are welcome. There is something for everybody who're interested enough to post as far as I'm concerned.
However, being from t'yon side o' Donny prior to becoming a Goolie, I was puzzled about reference to 'Armthorpe airfield'.
The only two airfields in the area that I can recall, were RAF Finningley (now Robin Hood Airport) and RAF Lindholme, which also had a USAF station attached.
I was only born in 1940, so can't remember much, but do recall a decade or so later as an air cadet (ATC 103 Doncaster squadron) flying on Vicars Varsity bomber training aircraft.
Strange too that Armthorpe should be used as a decoy for enemy bombers, as there was a colliery there.
Were miners considered fair game for enemy bombs?
Also in the immediate vicinity were the steel works of Sheffield and Rotherham, both of which had a fair share of 'Krupp stahl'.
Happy memories eh?
Posted by Paul at 20/10/2012 23:47
Hi Pedro.
Harry Tutty said that the plane came straight down Weatherill street (N/S) .If that is the case the plane would not have to gain altitude to miss the water tower which is to the SE of the flightpath. If the plane had taken a path from Centenary Road, down Weatherill Street,across the rear service road between Weatherill Street and Jackson Street and then Jackson Street itself (NW/SE) having to avoid the water tower could be right.

However an observer from Thorntree Lane, which google shows to the south of the M62 and west of the M18, was looking to the east toward Goole when the bomber came over ( SW/NE flightpath).This would tie in with the pilot's mission to bomb Armthorpe airfield.
Another observer in Marshield Road to the east of Goole town centre reports the plane flew over the road before dropping the bombs (E/W).
And finally a further witness from Weatherill Street saw the plane circling above so this does not help in determining the flightpath of the plane.This is the first time I've read that the plane circled.
( Above observations curtesy of Mike Marsh Goole at War Vol. 2).
Whilst there is direct visual evidence that the plane came in from the north I can't understand why this should be if its target was to the SW of Goole.

Hi Corby
You say it is strange that the attack on Goole on Middlesborough and Goole were by single planes.I don't know if you're implying it could be the same plane.I think this is doubtful.
1 the two attacks both took place at midday.
2 the intent of Rudolph H. was to bomb Armthorpe airfield which was supposed to be full of planes.Why would he jeopardise that mission to bomb Middlesborough train station.Not knowing the bomb load of the Dornier would it have 4 bombs left after dropping 4*500kg bombs.
3 nine planes flew down the River Humber on 3rd August and I think it was one of these planes that bombed Goole.
Think Poirot or Morse are needed to solve the various theories.
Posted by Paul at 21/10/2012 02:27
Hi Gary.
The following details are from the English Heritage site "pastcape".
"A Second World War bombing decoy located at Armthorpe. This decoy was originally built to deflect enemy night bombing from Royal Air Force Finningley airfield and was later used for Royal Air Force Doncaster airfield. This was a 'Q-type' night decoy, which displayed a series of lights to simlulate an active airfield. It is referenced as being in use from 1940 to 1942. In 1941 the Armthorpe site expanded and became part of the 'C-series' of civil decoys, operating as a 'QL' decoy to protect Workham main colliery. The 'QL' decoy displayed simulated railway marshalling yard lights, locomotive glows and factory lighting to reconstruct the colliery. It operated between late 1941 and May 1943. The Armthorpe site also functioned as a 'Permanent Starfish' decoy for the town of Doncaster. 'Permanent Starfish' were large scale fire decoys where controlled fires were lit to replicate an urban area targeted by bombs. The 'Starfish' decoy at Armthorpe was operational between Spring 1941 and April 1943. By the late 1970s the site had been given over to agricultural use and no features of the decoys survive. A further 'C-series' bombing decoy for Doncaster was located at Tickhill, and a further 'Q-type' decoy for Royal Air Force Finningley was located at Owston Ferry."
It would seem the decoy was to safeguard aircraft stationed at RAF Finningley and coal production at Workham Colliery for the war effort (and domestic use?).
Posted by David Lea-Jackson at 21/10/2012 17:25
I recently came upon a request from a young man by the name of Stephen concerning his great grandfather James Johnson,he was a donkeyman on the LOWLAND and was lost when she went down in 1939.If you see this thread and want to know more Stephen let me know.
David L-J.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 21/10/2012 21:02
Hi Paul. just to say that I was not implying The Middlesborough plane was not the same plane that bombed us.What I was trying to say was that a lone dornier was involed in both events. I know that it happened at the same time.
We have I believe run the gauntlet on this event which happened so long ago
On the onset you asked me from which direction did the plane approach me.At my age I knew where West Park, South Park and East Park were. It was my brother who said that it had been to Leeds and was heading home.According to your research that is wrong.
I also stated that the plane was directly overhead when I saw the bombs released. The plane had twin tail fins. Which made it a Dornier.
But a thought has occured. I heard the Bombs hit.'So on a line from Stanley St to the bombsite Which was just North of West. If you could solve which bombcrater was the first . It would indicate in which direction the plane was heading The Marshfield Rd observer did agree with this train of thought.The general train of thought as we know is that it first appeared flying low from the many have said that Weatherel St area was strafed.After which no one agrees where it continued.No one has seen it shed its load during the strafing.Then some one saw it climbing. Do you now think it possible that to gain height was to enable the bomb aimer to find a suitable target. Or has I have read on other raids. The bombing and strafing was simply to create Mayhem and disorder. I accepted Harry's story for like you said He was there. I further accepted Pedro's story. although he was only six at the time .He would have known at a later age where was North.I would never doubt his word for over the years his input to this site as been impeccable.
but the worst enemy to any historic account is hearsay.I have witnessed this quite often over the years
Posted by M.James at 21/10/2012 22:53
looking for any details on sloop Gleaner built Barton lincs 1828 owner Philander Garrod or company
Posted by Corby Bunting at 22/10/2012 14:48
Hello David. It as been some time since "The Golden Wedding" item. I did a little research on your old friend Eric Heworth when it was announced that he saw action at Dunkirk. This turned out to be entirely unfounded as his sister Enid and his daughter filled me in with imprtant stages in is RAF career I have all the numbers of the boats he served on Some were stationed at Brownsea Island where he was based pror to the DDay landings. His nepew John Appleyard. Saw him quite often after the war at Keadby. If you Email me. I can fill you in
Posted by Gary Worton at 23/10/2012 01:17
Thanks Paul for your answer to my posting regarding Armthorpe colliery etc.
You have obviously done your homework and are to be commended for it.
My recollections, however, are from memory, such as it is, as I am the wrong side of 70 now, but some things kinda stick.
I did happen to mention my stint as an air cadet with 103 Doncaster squadron back in the '50s. When I thought about it later, I remembered that our HQs were on what used to be Doncaster air station. Right next to the old Doncaster Rovers ground, and just across the road from Doncaster Race Course.
I believe that this was a pilot training facility during the war and remember that sometimes on Sundays, we (ATC cadets) were allowed to use the 'Link Trainer' flight simulater. Funny how memories come flooding back at times like this.
Sorry for the digression guys, as this topic started off as a German plane strafing Goole, but it just goes to show how close we all were at the time.
Posted by Christine Rickards at 23/10/2012 15:23
Does anyone know where the crew of the SS Winterton were interned in 1914. The crews of several Goole ships were sent to Ruhleben near Berlin but though I have a record of the Winterton is is very difficult to make out the prison camp.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 23/10/2012 17:20
This being my final word on the subject
I have looked at all the evidence,Even Mike's book which to be honest I have refrained from doing My findings are .That June Bateman. Marjorie Watson and I all witnessed the bombs leaving the plane at the same time.A line drawn between these three points indicate that the plane was travelling West.towards the bombed area.Not one of us mentioned hearing gunfire.I do not know when this took place
Posted by Corby Bunting at 01/11/2012 18:45
Hi Gary. If you visited RAF Immingham Docks in your ATC days of the 50's We may have met
I was stationed there from Feb '56 until March '57 my job was Boatwright,repair and maintainance of 4 rescue craft. although I was lucky enough to go out on rescue missions and Target Towing exercises. The job we all dreaded was we took out Cadets who were finding their sealegs. but, ultimately left the decks covered with the contents of their stomachs. Leaving us to clean up.
Happy Days
Posted by Gary Worton at 05/11/2012 00:09
Thanks for the happy memories Corby. I never managed to get to RAF Immingham Docks during my ATC days. However, I do recall a trip out into the Wash on an Air Sea Rescue launch from Boston, Lincolnshire. This was a day trip from our summer camp at RAF Wittering, Northants, circa 1952. (Home of the Hawker Hunter then), Later to become the home of the Hawker Harrier jump jet. Priceless from a historical perspective.
I don't recall anyone puking up on deck during that little venture either.
Strange when you think about it, as a few short years later, when I started my sea going career, I used to puke up all the time. Mind you, I think my discovery of the demon alcohol had a little to do with that. LOL!
Once again, apologies for my digression from the original topic.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 06/11/2012 13:41
Hi Gary. you certainly had a much longer journey from Donny to Boston Over 70 miles. where Immingham is about 40.Which is why I thought my place. all the Marine units were similar Blyth,Brid,Boston Immingham was unique as because it was dock bound. Meaning going out through the locks Ships entering were supposed to give priority to us going out. but on one occasion this did not happen when a Sea Venom ditched The lockmaster made us wait. We arrived on the scene and the pilot was living . but died on the way back.It always seems to kick up rough in the Humber Estuary .Which I think is why the Cadets suffered on that occasion.Neptune Bombers were used to bomb our targets. They would cross abeam of our course and dropped a bomb equadistant of the target.But, then turn about and strafe the target.I use to think this was mean for it was my job to repair them. but I was told it was also gunnery practice.after the exercise we would pick up the Cod that floated up stunned by the bombing. It was a sad day for me when I was posted to Calshot Southampton.Which was a maintainance unit. Little excitement there
Posted by David Lea-Jackson at 06/11/2012 17:38
Hello Corby,As you say,it's been a long time however despite things dropping off or failing to respond to instructions we're still here therefore I would value any further info on Eric.
Trust you are well,
Posted by Corby Bunting at 07/11/2012 13:22
Hello David. I knew that you may be interested in Eric As you once said ,He was like a father to you I had no way of contacting you. But here goes.My intrest in Eric came about when I read about his involvement at Dunkirk. Because I was in contact with JOYCE his sister.You may already know Joyse was married to Mr. Flemming the furnture shop owner. Sheis also my friend John Appleyard's aunt. joyce and I wrote to each other about things Goole related I asked Joyce about Eric's service I was also in the Air/Sea/Rescueand once a member of the club knew contacts .Joyce told me that she would ask Eric's daughter Anita for info' I have a letter from Anita in which are all the numbers of craft.Names of his associates and a letter of comendation
from Air OfficerCommanding Bomber Command
"The cooperationof the above mentioned vessels under your command was instrumental in saving 21 aircrews. It is requested that the thanks of the directorate of air Sea Rescue services may be passed to all concerned
23/9/1941" There is a plaque with Eric's name on it at RNLICromer he was picked up after a conciderable time in the water. My contacts came up with Most of the boats were at Shetlands. but during the D Day Landings Eric was stationed at Brownsea Island Poole. so he was there on DDay .So,he certainly made his mark
Posted by Joanne Hallam at 12/11/2012 14:09
I am trying to find the origins of a newspaper article with the only surviving picture of my grandfather. It is dated Friday,Dec 1939. The article is titled " LOSS OF THE GOOLE STEAMER COREA Eight local victims of mine". I am at a loss to find more information on this, which I find remarkable as, luckily my grandad was one of the survivours, but tragically nine men were lost!! Can anyone please help??
Posted by Paul at 13/11/2012 13:41
Can't help you with the newspaper article but the website "wrecksite" states :-
"On 8/12/1939 the cargo steamer Corea was on passage from Boulogne to Goole with a general cargo including wool, copper,and motors when she foundered and was lost after striking a mine 2 miles north of Cromer Light"

The vessel was built in 1895 by Earles Shipbuilding and Engineering Company in Hull.The last owner was General Steam Navigation Co.Ltd London and the previous owner was Bennett Steamship Co.Goole.

The website has the following :-

"Tower Hill Memorial Panel 31.

HARRISON, Donkeyman, ARTHUR, S.S. Corea (Goole). Merchant Navy. 8th December 1939. Age 32. Son of John William and Alice Harrison; husband of Nora Doreen Harrison, of Goole, Yorkshire.

HOSKING, Able Seaman, JAMES, S.S. Corea (Goole). Merchant Navy. 8th December 1939. Age 58. Son of Mr. and Mrs. William Henry Hosking; husband of A. M. Hosking, of Goole, Yorkshire.

MILLER, Chief Engineer Officer, HUGH, S.S. Corea (Goole). Merchant Navy. 8th December 1939. Age 58. Husband of E. A. Miller, of Goole, Yorkshire.

NEEDHAM, Master, HARRY, S.S. Corea (Goole). Merchant Navy. 8th December 1939. Age 33. Son of Harry and Ada Needham; husband of Winifred Triss Needham, of Goole, Yorkshire.

THORNTON, Fireman, ROBERT, S.S. Corea (Goole). Merchant Navy. 8th December 1939. Age 29. Son of Mr. and Mrs. Robert Thornton; husband of Florence Harriet Thornton, of Scarborough, Yorkshire.

TOMLINSON, Fireman, JOHN WILLIAM, S.S. Corea (Goole). Merchant Navy. 8th December 1939. Age 62. Son of John and Mary Tomlinson, of Leeds, Yorkshire; husband of Amy Cecilia Tomlinson. of Goole. York-shire.

WATMOUGH, First Mate, HENRY, S.S. Corea (Goole). Merchant Navy. 8th December 1939. Age 26. Son of Charles Henry and Alice Watmough.

WILSON, Second Engineer Officer, CHARLES, S.S. Corea (Goole). Merchant Navy. 8th December 1939. Age 56. Son of Thomas and Mary Emma Wilson; husband of Nina Annie Wilson, of Goole, Yorkshire".
Posted by David Lea-Jackson at 13/11/2012 17:13
Many thanks Corby for the update.It's all part of lifes tapestry.
Posted by Gary Worton at 03/12/2012 22:29
Seeing as how there does not seem to be anything happening on the site at the present moment, I would like to wish one and all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. It's only three weeks away folks.
All the best to you all.
Touch base with you all later.
Posted by Hamish at 04/12/2012 22:07
Ahoy Gary! All the very best to you and yours also,and to all the other"Goolies" that post on this site, and to Pedro, George Cannon, and Billy Guy,you all have a great Christmas. with many more to come
Posted by David Lea-Jackson at 06/12/2012 16:33
Its never too early Gary!Seasons greetings to you and every one who looks in on this site,where ever you might be.
Now I need some help.I have found on the net a photo,part of the Stan Threadgould collection.It shows the REMUS tied up and a figure of a man in a dingy,I have every reason to think that this man is my grandfather captain Joseph Lea,he was skipper of the REMUS when she was sunk in 1918.If possible I would like a copy of said photo.
Many thanks David L-J
Posted by Hamish at 06/12/2012 23:38
David, no doubt you have Googeled SS Remus, if not ,there are a couple of good photos of her, one taken by Gooles own Charlie Hill (but that is not what you are after) there are however a couple of Email addresses on those sites which may help in your search. It is interesting to note that one site has her hitting a mine, while the other says she was torpedoed, but both agree that there were five men lost
Posted by David Lea-Jackson at 08/12/2012 16:59
Good evening Hamish,Thanks for responding to my query ref my g/f's ship.I have infact a copy of the report concerning the sinking in which my g/f made mention of seeing a flock of seagulls circling an area someway from the REMUS and from what he says this was a sure sign of a sub being in the area.
Words cannot descri be my feelings Hamish when I came upon this particular photo and recognised the man in the dingy as being my grandfather.When my dad was lost at sea in 1940 Joseph took me under his wing and taught me true values. Take care my friend.David.
Posted by pedro at 09/12/2012 22:59
Seasons Greeting to all from Sunny Barbados wont be back in Goole till next april shipmates have good one regards from the island were coca cola is more expensive than the rum
Posted by Hamish at 16/12/2012 20:15
I just noticed in my post that the photo was credided to Gools Charlie Hill, If the ship was sunk in 1918,and it is now 2012, is Charlie still around?
Posted by Transportman at 29/12/2012 11:11
Hi Hamish, Yes Charlie is still around, he's my mother in law's 2nd cousin. He's good but not that good that photo was taken 10 years before he was born.
Posted by edie audas at 02/01/2013 23:24
regards to all goolies and x goolies from benidorm and remembers me living above richardsons shop at the junction of red lion street and pasture road. 20 c high /12 c low today, not as high as barbados but a little warmer than uk. rain not in sight much last year. best wishes for 2013 to you all.
Posted by Jane at 04/01/2013 00:15
Hi, would anyone be able to help me locate my late Uncle's grave. I am trying to find where he was buried presumbly in the Goole area. He lived in St. Georges Terrace, Goole. His wifes name Sheila Rockett and he had a son who both survived him. He died at sea 12th February 1962 adrift in lifeboat belonging to the MV Fountains Abbey but was found and buried. I am aware he was remembered by the Goole and Mariners' Association at a Memorial Service held in 2011 at the Seamans Memorial, Memorial Gardens, Hook Road, Goole. A dedication read by a Mr. T. F. Dobson, J.P. I do not live in the UK so any leads or help here would be very much appreciated.
Posted by Jane at 04/01/2013 12:08
With regard to my earlier posting today (4th Jan) searching for information on burial place of my late Uncle and in my eagerness forgot the most important part, my Uncle's name, James Cleary, Bosun on the MV Fountains Abbey in 1962.
Posted by Hamish at 04/01/2013 16:55
Thanks for that Transportman, Glad to hear Charlie is still on the right side of the grass !He has taken some fantastic nostalgic photos over the years, and thanks to him(and others) I have most photos of the colliers I sailed on out of Goole. But I did think it was streching it a bit to credid that picture to him
Posted by trev hardwick at 04/01/2013 21:12
hi jane try looking on - find a grave - start with goole cemetary then your uncles name i found some of my family graves this way hope this helps regards trev
Posted by pedro at 06/01/2013 00:48
jane sheila rockets sister maureen linington still lives in goole im sure you will find all the info from her only a phone call away try directory online think she lives in ilkeston avenue goole.
Posted by pedro at 06/01/2013 01:01
Hamish charlies photos should read credited to his collection lol
you and I sailed on lanky boats built before the bleeding titanic
Irwell and Alt in my case.we sailed after WW2 especially to Hamburg and Bremen in the early 50s thro unswept minefields
keep a good lookout
Posted by Hamish at 06/01/2013 16:38
Greetings Pedro! You are correct,we did run a bit of a risk on the old Lanky boats, The Don, Aire, and Blyth, in my case.Hamburg, Ghent, and Antwerp were the scary bits,circa 1949-50 and a little later, but it was the loose ones that bothered me, one could meet them anywhere,and did
Posted by Corby Bunting at 06/01/2013 18:24
Jane. Maureen Linnington 8 Charles Drive Goole DN146RJ
Posted by pedro at 06/01/2013 21:19
For Jane if the phonebook doesnt help try emailing The Goole Times with your query.This helped someone finding me after 35 years
Posted by pedro at 07/01/2013 23:01
Hamish I forgot the old Macclesfield Mr Shay of the shipping federation in East Parade sent me to join her in Hull at the riverside quay.Got my rail pass signed on in Postern Gate then sailed to bleeding Goole.3 days later was in Rotterdam old Shay had a bit of a sadistic streak.
Posted by Hamish at 07/01/2013 23:39
Yes Pedro old Shay was a bit of a wag,he sent me to North Shields to join the Ivybank, told me it was a, load in the continent and sail for New York, be away about two months and home for Christmas, never saw the sky over Blighty for nineteen months, I was a litle green in those days and had never heard of Bank Boats,but I did get even in later years, my wife got very ill, and I quit the sea for a trainee job down the pits, well he sent the cops after me to do my national service, but they could not touch me as mining was also exempt, I lasted about a year down Water Haig colliery then took a jump job on the Aire, and never went near the poole office again
Posted by Transportman at 10/01/2013 18:47
Jane, regarding your query about James Cleary. He is buried in Goole if you email me at I'll send you more detail. His son was it Ian? I last saw him about 4 years ago when I was delivering to Hazlewood's.
Posted by Gary Worton at 12/01/2013 23:01
Yo, Hamish and Pedro, that nice Mr shay was in charge of the poole (East Parade, Goole) when I finished my TS Vindicatrix training in 1957. My first ship was the British Bulldog, (BP tanker out of the Isle of Grain) from the Tilbury pool.
30 days at sea around the Cape of Good Hope and up the East coast of Africa, to Mena al Ahmade (Kuwait); 12 hours of loading crude and another 30 days back again.
The Suez Canal was still closed to shipping due to that nice man Mr Nasser at the time.
That nice Mr Shay Gave me s**t when I reported back to the pool. He said we can't be paying off ships just because we didn't like them, or the run.
No need for me to elaborate.
I just hope that Mr Shay is spending his eternal retirement with the men he sent to their deaths during the WWII era.
PS Smithy was OK!
Posted by Hamish at 13/01/2013 21:10
Ahoy Gary I did that trip a couple of years ahead of you, just in time to get thru the canal before they closed it, on the British Splendour, I also joined in the isle of Grain, signed on in Tilbury and taxi(with four other bods)to Grain.While waiting in the Tilbury shipping office for the other crew to arrive skint as usual, I met a fellow from the Isle of Mann who was also unfortunate enought to be joining the Splendour. I could murder a pint says I, well I got a pound says he ,lets go and get one, so off we went to the nearest pub(its name escapes me)and order two pints, which the barman pours and puts on the bar, well Manxie (thats what we called him at sea)pulls out his pound note, which turned out to be a manx pound, the bar man picked up his two pints and says" We dont take foriegn money here"so we never got our pint, and we got s--t from the shipping master for "escaping" and keeping the taxi waiting, the other crew had arrived while we were in the pub.We did however get an advance on reaching Grain and spent it all in the"Cat and Cracker"and that is one long walk from the pub back to the ship
Posted by Corby Bunting at 16/01/2013 09:20
Hello Hamish.Athough I did not join the band of men which went to sea,which we read about in these pages. I knew most of them whilst growing up in Goole One of my best friends Alan Bedford "fell overboard "in the Red Sea.There was never an explanation how this came about.I think we are possibly the same vintage Hamish 1934 and you may have known him .
Whilst in Goole attending the funeral of a dear friend in September . I read in the orbituaries the death of the wife of Des Darragh signed Darkie. I am sure you know of Darkie .but did you know Des. He has been gone some time now.i enjoy reading your posts and hope they keep coming in
Posted by Hamish at 17/01/2013 22:34
Ahoy Corby! I am afraid the names you mention are not known to me, but keep in mind altho' I shipped out of Goole, I did not spend all that much time "in" Goole, I was a Leeds lad, and as soon as the ship hit the dock, I was high tailing it for the Leeds bus,and got back aboard just prior to sailing The railway boats were in a class by themselves however and there was some forced time in Goole, but that was mainly spent in" Charlies"or "Melodies"chasing the local "talent"My two buddies who were Goole lads, were George Cannon, and Billie Guy, don't know what happened to George, but Billie got taken on in the docks and quit the sea.The only other name I can recall in Goole was the surname Rocket, one of the girls in Melodies, and I sailed with a fellow named Rocket(they were not related), but then that is a long time ago I predate you by a couple of years by the way so thats my excuse for a fussy memory take care H
Posted by Gary Worton at 20/01/2013 16:34
Hi Corby and Hamish:
Regarding your buddy who fell overboard in the Red Sea, Corby. The trip I did on the British Bulldog was pretty uneventful. However, the previous trip was marred by the loss of a crew member in the Red Sea. He was the 2nd Steward and he just disappeared one night. No explanation ever came forth.
I don't know if there is any connection between the two. I joined her in March, 1957. However, she had just come out of dry-dock, having had an explosion in one of her tanks, so maybe it would have been early 1956-ish when this incident occurred.
The name of Darragh also rings a bell. I recall brothers Percy and Regie. Percy ran the Burlington pub and when he retired, Reg took it over. I don't know if there is any family connection here to the one mentioned.
Could the 'Darkie' you mentioned be Darkie Pratt, another ex-seaman turned docker? I remember him well, his brother Ginner too. They used to drink in the Peacock Hotel (among others).
Billy Guy was on the docks when I sailed out of Goole Hamish, but George Cannon stayed at sea until he retired, although I never got to sail with him. He moved to the east coast; Hornsea I think it was, and as far as I know is still there.
'Sall for now folks, See ya!
Posted by Corby Bunting at 20/01/2013 20:13
Hi Hamish and Gary.all interesting stuff for me to hear Hamish I believe you were talking of John Rocket who went to sea about the time of Alan Fielder, and alan Wheldrake but I did nor know his ship. I knew him from out of Marshfield and his Dad was ex MN his name was joe and I believe he died in the early 50,s
You mentioned Chasing Talent While you were busy in Goole I spent time mostly in Leeds Mecca Locarno, Donny at Berry's. Bullars and the Coop. also Hull at City Hall Happy days although I did marry a Goole girl and we have recently celebrated our Emerald anniversary
Gary. I think it was my old mate on the British Bulldog for the time ties in.Darkie I knew as Les and his neighbour from Queensway Ray West went to sea about the same time. At a recent funeral in Goole I believe it was Les stood in front of me in the church.But I did not have time to speak to him.I wondered what the connection was. But My friend Pete Walker who's funeral it was had Mn connections as his Dad Ernie was ex Mn and his Grand dad Eli went down on the sinking of the SS Wreathier
Posted by Tricia at 21/01/2013 19:48
I have just found out today that my cousin, Alan Lawson, died on 7th December 2012. The only notification I found was in the Yorkshire Post, he lived in Leeds, I do not think there was anything at all in the Goole Times. I am sharing this as he will probably be known to a lot of you as he was a Humber Pilot for many years. There was 30 years age difference between us so we were not close but he was so like his dad, Harold (Cappy) who was known to many of you and I did occasionally see him when I worked at HOH in the 60's but wish we had been in touch more so that maybe I could have filled in the missing gaps in my family tree research. He has a son and grandson but they are I believe, sadly, the last of the (our) Lawsons. I still read this site regularly and enjoy the comments and facts and figures.
Posted by Wendy Robertson at 21/01/2013 20:27
Captain George H Abson - life lost onboard DISPERSER
Posted by Wendy Robertson at 21/01/2013 20:39
Captain George Herbert Abson - life lost onboard DISPERSER 1940 off Scotland.
According to what I have found this George H Abson was born Jun 1894 Hunslet, Leeds, but his father George Abson c1864 was born Goole, his mother was Alice Hind.
I NEED TO know if I have the correct man, WAS this George Herbert Abson the same person as a George H Abson that married a Jessie Sykes nee Hirst 1919 @ Goole.
It is possible he had another family in South Shields / Scotland between 1919 and his death 1940.
Jessie Abson formerly Sykes nee Hirst remarried 1941 to Stanley Marshall @ Goole.

Kind regards
Wendy intelligentwend AT (replace AT with @ and remove spaces)
Posted by Patricia How at 25/01/2013 16:54
To Joanne Hallam.. Hi Joanne. May I suggest you contact Susan Butler via her Howdenshire Histories website. I found a photo on her site of the crew that died when SS Colne sank in 1906. This included my great grandfather whose name is John Smith!! Boring but true! Very difficult name to research too! All the best! Tricia.
Posted by Hamish at 26/01/2013 04:09
Just a thought Wendy , but have you tried the archives at Kew for his seamans history? It is quite likely you would get a next of Kin from the records regards H
Posted by Bill at 26/01/2013 12:28
Hi Hamish,I was interested in your reference to seamens' records at Kew. Did you mean merchant seamen? As far as I know they are only traceable at Kew via crew lists and log books, for which you need to have the name of the vessel. But if there are other sources at Kew for merchant navy men I would be grateful for details. But you may of course be referring to Royal Navy records, in which case I am barking up the wrong tree. Regards, Bill
Posted by Transportman at 26/01/2013 16:53
Hi Wendy, Could well be the same man 3 George H Absons born around the same time, London, Hunslet, Rotherham. 3 George Absons married arounfd the same time London, Goole and Rotherham. Jessie Hirst b 1897, Goole, daughter of Joseph Hirst a boatman on the coal barge WATER QUEEN. George Abson finished a 4 year apprenticeship 1913 some of ships sailed on all steamers:- TRAVELLER built 1888 reg Liverpool; MOGILEFF built 1918 reg London; KNOCKFIERNA built 1919 reg Limerick; TEESBURN ( 1st mate ) ;GEO R DONOVAN built 1926 reg Middlesbrough; STARWELL built 1929 reg Newcastle and DISPERSER foudered during a gale 14 April 1940, Kirkwall Harbour. I'll email you details.
Posted by Robert at 26/01/2013 17:45
Hi, My grandfather was Wilson Turbull who was master of the steamship Derwent when he died of pneumonia and was brought back from Antwerp by my grandmother Kate Turnbull on the Nidd.

I am trying to find out anything relating to his career with LMS and Goole Steam, if anyone can assist, would be greatful.

Thanks and regards
Posted by Wendy Robertson at 26/01/2013 18:14
Thanks Hamish, never done that, but I have had an email from someone called Transporter man, is this you, I do recall this name from some time back.
Anyway been sent some info about him, so will digest it.
Posted by pedro at 27/01/2013 00:44
Hi Wendy cant help much but the disperser foundered in a gale the ship was in Kirkwall harbour Orkney Islles Captain George herbert abson was lost he was from Hunslet South Leeds age 46 no enemy action involved.The ship was salved (saved) and returned to service
Posted by pedro at 27/01/2013 13:02
slight conflict with crew members of Disperser are we sure this captain George Herbert Abson was indeed born in leeds as he his listed as from Cromarty the entire crew were lost iam hoping to get further info
Posted by pedro at 27/01/2013 15:47
disperser sorry what threw me off track was the crew list George H Abson listed as residing at Burnside Cottage Cromarty but on the deaths at sea register he his listed as born yorkshire. From a book called accident now out of print.The following.On the night of april 14th 1940 a great storm hite N.E Coast of Scotland the Disperser was lost with all hands.Grief shrouded the small community of Cromarty.Murdo Mackenzie chief engineer of the Disperser body was washed up on the beach at Kirkwall.The others who died were
George H Abson Captain Cromarty
James Anderson Middlesboro Mate
John Macdonald 2nd engineer Cromarty
Alexander Shepherd seaman and his son Douglas Cromarty
Andrew and Charles Watson Cromarty
Ernest southall Cromarty
John Mackenzie Inverness
John Maclean Cromarty
Robert Spence Cromarty
Captain Abson was the managing director also for the South Stockton Shipbreaking Company.
These names are engraved on a plaque honouring Merchant Seaman in the war memorial at Edingburh Castle
Posted by Hamish at 27/01/2013 16:19
Ahoy Bill! Kew is where you get the records of individual seamen.If you require crew lists or voyage history you have to apply to someplace in Newfoundland, and supply the official ships number, when I figure out where I will post. No Wendy I am not Transport man, cheers H
Posted by Transportman at 27/01/2013 16:54
Hi Robert, Wilson Turnbull, born Newcastle 1880 son of William Turnbull AB on EARL PERCY. Wilson lived at 29 Fourth Avenue, Goole. Joined the Goole Steam Shipping Company in 1900 and remained with them through the amalgamation with the railway companies. Promoted to master in 1925 and captained the NIDD, RAWCLIFFE, WENNING, AIRE, RIVER RIBBLE and DERWENT. His only son Arthur died aged 17 at Manil, Phillipines, 1928 whilst in the merchant navy.
Buried in Goole cemetery in an unmarked grave.
Posted by Bill at 27/01/2013 23:50
Hi Hamish, I think that is not the case. From personal experience the WW2 Log books and Crew Agreements were stored in Cardiff and they charged you a fortune to look at them. But they have been moved to Kew, the main catalogue ref is BT381. To locate the relevant documents for each vessel it is necessary to know and enter the ship's official number. You can now do this for free. There are also card index files on ships' movements, their catalogue ref is BT389. This is unless anything has changed in the last five years or so. If you don't know the system it can be tedious but the staff there are very helpful and knowledgeable. The only trouble is that nowadays it tends to get very busy. I suspect there are more records in Newfoundland and Nova Scotia (especially re North Atlantic convoys), should you locate them please let me know. Regards, Bill.
Posted by Hamish at 28/01/2013 22:57
Ahoy Bill- Not quite so, put research guide C1 into your search box, or guide/merchant navy/ tracing people, and you will find that a good peace of the records are now in Canada, true a select few, and the years ending in 5 are still in kew but over 70% are in Newfoundland, so we are both wrong, right cheers H
Posted by Bill at 29/01/2013 00:31
Thanks for that Hamish, research guide C1 is certainly useful. My interest had been my dad's Second World War history and fortunately for me those documents have been kept in Kew. I had not realised that documents for other periods had been dispersed. I'm not a sailor myself but I still harbour the desire to follow in my dad's footsteps and sail in a cargo ship across the North Atlantic to Newfoundland. It is still possible but a bit complicated and expensive. But no U boats now! We shall see.
Posted by pedro at 29/01/2013 11:58
I joined the ship Pullborough with Billy Guy sometime in the 50s
(no specific dates cos my old discharge book is in Oz with my grandson)While in Shoreham we visited the Windmill pub Billy challenged me to a game of darts no problem he couldnt play darts to save his life.Probobly due to a finger injury caused by Hamish pulling him out of the dock.Anyway in walked Des Darragh Des had come ashore and was working in a hotel in Brighton at that time. I only ever saw Des once after that at a funeral in Goole for one of his brothers.Hellier Darragh is the last of the brothers surviving (or at least he was when I left last year.
Posted by Hamish at 29/01/2013 23:08
Ahoy Pedro, I agree that billy was no good at darts, but he thought he could sing, spent many a night in Melodies listen to him taking off Frankie Lane, and not too too bad a job he did.When you were on the Pulburough was the skipper a red headed bloke, if so, he was "sparking" the landlady of the SeaHouses pub in shoreham(now long gone)which was a great dart house. I was in Shoreham in 2004 (also in Goole the same year) and I went looking for the" Windmill"and if I remember, it was a turn right at the top of the stairs(after the boatman had taken you across the canal)head down the hill past the pub on the right(aCourages house) then up the hill and turn left into a short street and the windmill was across the top, well I could not find the street let alone the pub, I did ask a bloke but he had never heard of it, but said there is a Windmill pub about two miles further north,which I legged it out to, but it was not the old windmill I remember, the pub at the top of the stairs is still there.But the whole place has changed from what it was can't get near the docks anymore, and the gasworks and two powerstations are gone, along with the cooling towers, anyhoo such is progress cheers H
Posted by pedro at 31/01/2013 12:34
Hamish it could have been same skipper on the pulborough but I was only on her the length of a dog watch.I never returned to Shoreham but have it from alocal guy now living in Goole that the old windmill was pulled down and another about 2 miles away was completely refurbished.Leeds men did you know Harry Bray he settled in Goole (married a barmaid in melodys) his buddy also from leeds ginger haired lad Gordon ? also George Wright who favored the guernsey ships (for tax purposes.A few years ago I returned to Blyth another of my old stomping grounds no power stations all the old staiths gone but good fishing from the riverside quay happy days.
Posted by pedro at 31/01/2013 12:47
Hamish I once visited my brother in Woodland Ave Goole.Observed Billy G staggering home 2 sheets to the wind ha ha he proceeded to get ready for bed outside a ladys house placed his wallet and keys on her gate post folded his coat for a pillow and got his head down.I went for his wife May we got him home after a struggle to his correct berth.He still has his collection of Frankie Laine 78s probobly plays them on a steam driven gramaphone
Posted by Hamish at 02/02/2013 00:54
Sorry Pedro can't pull a Quasimodo and say any of those names ring a bell,my sailing buddies (from Leeds) were Peter Olley, Jimmy Cooper,(a Londoner living in Leeds)and Arther Mason, Pete crossed the bar a long time ago, Jimmy quit the sea to drive a bus in Leeds, and Aurthur has been in touch via this web page but just one reply then silence.Billy was quite a guy(no pun intended) I left a pint for him behind the bar in the vyemuden(?s)when I was over in 2004 the place had just reopened and I think it was a lady landlord, but by the number of customers at lunch time didn't look good for the future,Billy was a case when he got into his cups, I don't think I have met anyone who could get in more trouble, and get out of it unscathed,he must have a St Christopher in his ass pocket, and I never sailed with him, only rescued him a couple of times allbeit injure him a bit anyhoo take care H
Posted by Barrie P Spink at 07/03/2013 23:02
I did wonder if this was Captain Collier who lived opposite to me in Woodland Avenue in the 1950's
Posted by Hamish at 08/03/2013 01:05
Thanks for the Heads up on the obit re capt Collier, I sailed with him for a couple of months(?) on the "Aire", in fact he was in command when she was sunk in the river just out of Goole,He was a Great skipper, and also a river pilot (as all AHL skippers were required to be)sad to see him go, but at that age he had had a good kick at the cat, My ex shipmate George Cannon would be sorry to hear of his passing as he (Capt Collier) had a soft spot for George
Posted by pedro at 08/03/2013 12:12
Sorry to hear about the demise of Capt Collier but must admit I thought he had crossed the bar years ago.A true gent with a chequered history and unlike some master mariners he certainly deserved the title Sir
Posted by Hamish at 08/03/2013 17:58
Just a correction for my last post, the Collier I sailed with was Jack Collier I think, and was quite a small guy , the picture in the obit looks like he is a tall man? I wonder if there were two Colliers sailing with AHL, Jack Collier was the Commadore of AHL, and did fly an RN flag on the "Aire" however
Posted by pedro at 09/03/2013 11:50
Hamish yes little jack was I believe his cousin.Who also had a varied career with AHL
Posted by John Depledge at 09/03/2013 14:57
Yes Barrie this is the same Capt Collier. I lived at no. 1 in the early 60's and the family were living there then.
Posted by Hamish at 09/03/2013 16:24
Just dug up my discharge book, and the signiture on the "Aire" is J Collier, so I guess I was right there must be two of 'em
Posted by Corby Bunting at 21/03/2013 11:37
Can anyone help? I am trying to find the crewlist of the SS Burma at the time of her sinking, fatalities and survivors. I have a photograph of a crew on which two have been recognised
Posted by bill at 21/03/2013 23:54
Hi Corby, re the Burma, if it was a WW2 sinking and especially if someone has the ships official number I could see if the Crew List is at the National Archive. I live quite close to Kew. Bill
Posted by Bill at 22/03/2013 00:25
p.s., also the date of the sinking, apologies if these details are already posted above, I haven't tralwed through to check
Posted by Hamish at 22/03/2013 15:40
Was the "Burma" a tug?If so there is a good photo of her on Ships nostalgia, showing some of the crew on the after deck
Posted by Corby Bunting at 23/03/2013 09:05
Hello Bill and Hamish. Thank you for your interest.I presumed all on these page would have been aware of the sinking of the Bennets ship SS Burma, Insuficient data appears on google only that she hit a mine off Winterton Ness on the 23/6/16.but nothing about Captain or crew!!
I visit Nostalgia site Hamish but have not seen photo although the location of crew on Aft deck is familiar.The two Goole men recognised are Richard Bleasedale and Benjamin Abson(this man being the grandfather of a regular visiter to this site Trevor Hardwick) Mr. Abson was caretaker of the Archibald Russell when she lay in the Butterboat berth during the last war.I knew the Bleasedale family down our street and went to the Alex with Roy.Who sadly died in 1941
Posted by pedro at 23/03/2013 22:49
SS Burma official No 98382 built by SB Austin Sunderland 1891
owned by Bennetts Steamship Co Goole 701 tons
Sailing in ballast London to Goole sunk by mine layed by UC 6
(Otto Ehrentraut) 15 miles east of Harwich.
Seven crew lost
Herbert Jackson Fireman
Robert J Champion Fireman
Robert Dudding Able Seaman
Thomas Duffill Fireman
John Shay Chief Eng
Albert Levy Able Seaman
James Gillyon Able Seaman
Posted by Corby Bunting at 24/03/2013 13:02
Hi Pedro. nice to hear from you again.After the great debacle of the Dornier raid on Goole
Thank you for the fatality list.also the website which I knew of but still no list of survivors. I wonder,why the secrecy?Some one must know who came home!
I am currently involved in a long standing mystery which invovles anative of your fair Isle One Edward Morgan married my Aunt.He first appears in the 1901 census living in Mrs. Sykes boarding house Government St Goole as a seaman born in Barbados.1911 census married living in Wesley Square but later Edinburgh St When he went to war.also on the census it states that he was born in St. Michaels Barbados But now British subject by marriage! I did not return from the war.I have been unable to find where he died.All war deaths records have revealed nothing.I have a photo of him in uniform which appears to be Army with a small anchor on his epaulette. No experts that I have approached have come up with a solution to my quandry
Posted by trev hardwick at 24/03/2013 18:28
hi pedro re your recent post ss burma i am benjamin absons grandson that corby mentioned the name john shay made me look at the abson tree (partial) that we have and he was my grandad benjamins cousin i asked mum today if she rememberd him and she did (106 years and still recalls allmost all her life ) corby sent me a photo with ben on ss burma circa 1900 but i would like to find what other ships he sailed on any ideas trev
Posted by pedro at 25/03/2013 00:52
Corby re-your uncle Edward Morgan born 1911
I presently reside in St Michaels here in Barbdos he wouldn't have to marry to claim british citizenship as Barbados was indipendant of Britain 1966 after been occupied since 1624 he was already a british citizen. My present landlady here worked in the uk for 50 years and has dual nationality with both british and bajan passport.Anyway I digress Barbados is only some 20 miles in length been one of the smaller windward island.My best friend here is named Dale Morgan from St Michaels maybe I found your cousin ha ha.He his visiting me before I leave on the 1st april so I will pick his brain. ps was your Edward Morgan a coloured man I have to ask because there are white descendants here called morgan of welsh stock
Posted by Corby Bunting at 25/03/2013 08:50
Hi Pedro. My search for answers to this problem go back many years. Even when we were in contact by email. I knew then your conection with this Island.although i did not wish to burden others.I have tried all aspects including barbados records office . But his birth date 1879 does not tie up with his name.all the evidence I have is the two censuses and a photo.He has a good tan but sharp featured.I'll try your email and send if still available
Posted by Corby Bunting at 25/03/2013 12:40
hi Pedro.The explanation re.British citizenship I understand .But on the 1911 census in column 15. Next to were born. It is penned"British only by Marriage"
here was I thinking that I may be related to the famous Captain Henry
Posted by pedro at 27/03/2013 21:21
leaving 1st April back in sunny Goole 2nd after 6 months here in my 2nd home hoping weathers improved at Home.Hoping Santa left me a prezzy update later take care
Posted by pedro at 28/03/2013 13:35
Trev Ben you could start with last crew agreement for SS Burma official No98382 this is held at Kew in piece BT/993194
but is best viewed at Kew. (maybe worth a day out) if you could find his discharge book we could take it from there.
Posted by pedro at 30/03/2013 10:18
correction trev sorry I meant his discharge book number its possible SS Burma crew agreement may lead to this
Posted by Martin Smith at 30/03/2013 12:28
Re Jack Collier RVR

Both Collier's were in the RNVR - Jack Collier was heavily involved in the Operation Torch landings in North Africa. My father sailed wiht him - notably in the late 60's on the 'York' in the Medditeranean on charter for Ellerman Wilson. My father recalled that as the York flew the RNVR blue ensign that the Russian/American and Israeli spy ships in the Med took an inordinate interest in the York.
Posted by Transportman at 30/03/2013 16:45
Hi Corby, I`ll email you a crew list of the Burma when she sank.
Posted by arthur mason at 30/03/2013 20:40
hello again to Hamish, sorry I didnt get back to you last year but I had a bit of engine trouble that layed me up for a while,Thats what comes of 2 years down Water Haig(avoiding National Service) and 38 years of duty free smoking .Luckily I have not got the big C but
the old chest is not what it should be but plenty of pills and being on an oxygen machine 16 hours a day keeps me on my feet.I can get around my flat OK but I and apart from getting the trailing hose caught on every dam thing in the place and almost pulling my ears off every time I go to make a cup of tea I can,t grumble.It crops up sometimes when the grand kids are here but if I moan all they say is"Well pop what,s the alternative" that shuts me up right away
Have got to go now but I will be back tomorrow to bring you a bit more up to datewith my life see you then Arthur
Posted by Hamish at 31/03/2013 16:26
Greetings again arthur! I didn't know you were down Water Haig I did exactly the same thing for a year when my then wife became ill, and I had to get a year off from seagoing to be with her, and like you had to dodge national service, I was a "Clam Lad" to start, then moved to timbergate ripping,I worked down at what was called the West Board End, good money and free coal but when one don't see the sun for a couple of months(only on weekends)it becomes a bit of a drag after sea time, as I say I lasted a year then got a pier head jump on a British Tanker, was not out of the country more than a week and the cops were sent to the house looking for me, but the mother in law told them "if you want him, you will have to go to Mena El Alhamdi to get him"that was the last I heard of that problem, But when I came to Canada I paid off the Polden in Blyth on a Monday ,picked up the wife in Leeds ,and sailed for Canada on the Saxonia on the Wenesday, talk about cutting it fine! one day fogbound and all plans would have been off, and I might have been in the army. Sorry to hear about your health tho arthur as I recall in the old days had it been a rum bottle you had to drag around all day I dont think you would have minded, I remember a couple of "full board days" with you, going down river was just a haze, how did we ever do it , and not kill ourselves anyhoo till next time take care H
Posted by Corby Bunting at 01/04/2013 10:00
Hello Transportman. Thankyou for the enlightenment.The captain I know a little of through his family connection
Posted by arthur mason at 04/04/2013 23:23
hi hamish a bit late but back again Ive been going through my old dis,a books so i can tell you i was on the polden with you 18/8/56, until14/3/57 then i came ashore and went down water haigh, I stayed down the mines until I was 26 to as you say dodge the army 1959. then i had a go at a couple of different jobs as by this time we had two youngsters. I was 2nd mate on the buses punching tickets,and then a milkman with the coop- but I just could,nt be the way people expected me to be so after long talk with my good lady I was back at sea late 1961. I stayed sailing out of Goole until 1968 then I took wings and joined ESSO .that was the best move I ever made,very good money short trips (3-4 months)I finished up as CPO. Pumpman and stayed with the Co for 16 years until disaster struck, believe this or not over night in Sweden I developed an alergy to OIL . I turned in early ready for a 5am start but when I got called ALL my skin was peeling off me.nothing hurt it was just one hell of a shock and a bit scary. Anyway I was flown home that day to Southampton general and there I stayed until it was sorted out that took 6 months then another 6 months at home by this time we had all decided that Iwould be at risk if Iwas to go on another tanker so ESSO paid me off very generously and I finaly came ashore for good.
It was not a happy ending though vera wasnt used to me being at home all the time and I could not get used too it so we got divorced.we havent fallen out with it all in fact we are the best of friends and ring each other every seems that 38 years of married life .wasnt a waste of time after all I am 80 years old I have two wonderful daughters .two equaly wonderful grandchildren one of each and now the cherry on the cake a beautyful great grandaughter as you can see I have nothing to moan about and whatever is wrong with me is of my own making so really I am a happy if grumpy ex sailor
will get back to you soon hamish arthur
Posted by Hamish at 06/04/2013 00:25
Ahoy Arther Yes the dates are right, I was on the Polden from 18/7/56 till 20/4/57 so I joined before you and left after you. I must have been the instagater(s?) of you going down the mines as I/We had done it by then, and couldn't hack it and were back at sea, You must have seen a lot of changes in seagoing, what happened to the good old AB certT,and what the hell is a CPO rating? I cannot remember any of the lads on the Polden except you, and I met your wife in Goole one time when you had her aboard, she wore Glasses as I recall?And I remember the skipper Teddy Eales, he left to become a Seaham harbour pilot don't know if he made it or not A fellow by the name of Wiliams was manager of Water Haig in my time, I remember him, as he and I had a couple of set too's over job training, which was all for naught, as I only lasted a year, made good money tho once I got on contract. Can you remember the Mates name on the Polden? He was the chap that was homeward bound in1939 after two years out, got torpedoed in the Bay of Biscay, and spent the rest of the war in a prison camp so he was away from home for at least seven years, things are starting to come back to me now, the Chief Steward Reg Lewis who liked to be called MissL, and the little cook from Goole dark chap with a goatee beard, but one hell of a good cook, but I cannot remember who was on deck with us, who was the bosun?Anyhoo till next time Take care H
Posted by ROGER POTTS at 24/04/2013 19:28
I am one of the great, great grandsons of Charles Carr the 19th century Goole sailmaker. I believe that he made the sails for a boat called the Golden Wedding and possibly another called the George Kilner. I wonder if any local history experts in Goole have any information about him or can suggest where I might look to try to find out a little more about him? Roger Potts
Posted by Corby Bunting at 28/04/2013 10:26
Hello Roger.Although not an historian.I have ,over the years taken a keen interest in the Hoeden shipbuilders Banks and Caisley. Over thirty vessels built by them.I have found little evidence exsists as to who was employed as sailmaker ect.Until I spoke to Ron Gosney of Knottingley .He supplied me with many answers. As to their stories and their fates
Ron has mentioned Charles and Stephen Carr in his book The Sailing Ships and Mariners of Knottingley.
I think that Ron is a true historian and if you do not know of the book. It is a good read ,I also suggest .Perhaps you should contact him
Posted by ROGER POTTS at 29/04/2013 22:23
Hi Corby; thanks for that information I will follow it up. I was aware that CHARLES CARR'S father was called Stephen and he too was a sail maker. I believe that he was from Selby but at some point the family must have moved to Knottingley and that would fit as Charles Carr married a Sarah Raddings who was the daughter of a Captain Raddings from Knottingley. Thanks again. Roger Potts.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 30/04/2013 19:39
Hi Roger. further to our last mail. you mentioned thomas Radding I don't know if you are aware but ,a Thomas Radding of Goole became the owner of the "Superb" built by John Banks jnr. in1871 at Kilpin Pike Master was a John Plaistow
Also the story from the local paper in 1897of the Schooner "Elite" Abandoned by the crew40 days out from Cadiz to St. Johns. She was built by Caisley in 1883
The owner was a John Raddings.This story is too much for these pages
Posted by ROGER POTTS at 02/05/2013 22:10
Thanks again Corby. That is some more information for me to look into. As far as I am aware the Sarah Raddings who married Charles Carr came from Knottingley and the marriage will have been somewhere in the 1850s. However perhaps other descendents or relatives of the Captain Raddings also from Knottingley who was Sarah's father moved to Goole later in the 19th century. Raddings is not a common name so they are probably connected and Goole is not far from Knottingley especially by water. Thamks again Roger Potts
Posted by Bill at 08/05/2013 14:05
Various celebrations are taking place around the country to commemorate the 70th anniversary of the Battle of the Atlantic. Something I appreciate as my father and other men from Goole served on the North Atlantic convoys. It is a pity that recognition of their contribution to the war effort has come so late.
Posted by Harry at 19/06/2013 19:40
To Corby or anyone.
Have just traced an ancestor in the 1861 Census (vessels abroad) and was listed as the Master of " JOHN HOWARD" a Billy Boy Schooner, a coastal and foreign trader.

Can anyone tell me what was a BILLY BOY SCHOONER also while I am at a FLY BOAT 85

Posted by Harry at 21/06/2013 20:35
Hi Corby,
Have a problem, came across an ancestor in the 1861 Census ( Vessles abroad) Dunkirk where he was listed as the Master of the "JOHN HOWARD" a BILLY BOY SCHOONER. What was a Billy Boy Schooner. While I am at it what was/is a FLY BOAT 85. Corby can you or anyone else answer these questions.

My thanks, Harry
Posted by Hamish at 22/06/2013 16:25
Ahoy Harry! If you google Billy Boy Schooners you will see it was a name given to round bow round stern coasting schooners, quite common around the coast in the early days, built mainly in Yorkshire
Posted by Corby Bunting at 23/06/2013 13:16
Hello Harry. a discription of the "Billy boy" can be found to the right of the Ships main page.however the addition of Schooner refers to its rig.I have just found in Ron Gosney's excellent book"The Sailing Ships and Mariners of Knottingley. an account of "The John Howard's loss.,
Reg No.41 23rd. Sept 1859 SCHOONER"John Howard"Burthen79.24 tons Official No. 21982
Built at Kottingleyin 1859 by Edward Atkinson
Subscribing owners Joseph Crabtree Master Mariner 32 shares John Howard Ropemaker32 shares
Lost with all official papers between St. Malo and Beachy Head1/6/1877
Posted by Corby Bunting at 23/06/2013 14:01
Hi Harry me back again. I had to halt my progrees. My dinner was on the table.My Gandad Joseph Auckland Cook was on a similar vessel "The Gem"in 1881 in Leigh Essex He was Cabin boy aged 15 There was Master his wife and daughter plus a deck hand
my GGGrandad John singleton Cook on his retirement from the sea. Ran a pub in George Street Old goole named "The Hope" I have tried to find which "Hope" For I would like to think that he named it after the ship. But there were many "Hopes" built. so I will never know
What was your ancesters (the Master)name?
Posted by Harry at 26/06/2013 20:37
Hi Hamish and Corby
Thanks for you answers. My ancestor was Joseph Crabtree, he was my g.gfather John Crabtree's brother. He was later Master of the schooner "Martha and Ellen" #44036. He Accidently Drowned on the 14th Oct 1907.

As A note of interest in 1871 census his father James Crabtree was Master of the Keel Boat "Hope"

Thanks again you two. my Regards. Harry
Posted by Corby Bunting at 27/06/2013 20:45
Hi Harry In Ron Gosneys book a whole chapter(12 pages) is dedicated to Joseph .Mentioning all of his family;with a print of his portrait A very interestig read.I have another book which I refer to Merchant Sailing ships 1850-1875 by David R. MacGregor.I was sorry to see no mention of Knottingley builders within and only one Goole Ship "The Unity " built by John Banks at Howden.als o the only mention of the Billy boys was one built at Wisbech in1860 " Bluejacket"Topsail Schooner rigged A fine lines drawing also a photo of her laying at Blakeney .Astern of her is a Ketch "Mary Anne".
Posted by Harry at 28/06/2013 19:08
Thanks very much for your help, Corby. See you around.
Posted by Rob Gawthorp at 12/07/2013 02:17
Hi Harry,
Are you related to the Harry Tutty who had a daughter called Ellen that married Dick Garrett? I think Harry was his nickname.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 14/07/2013 09:41
Harry.From your last mail to me.It appears that you may know me.I answered your first message on the assumption that you were Harry Driffill. I believe now this may not be the case. I knew many Harry's when I lived in Goole.most of which are now dead. Can you give me any indication of which Harry I am in contact with .Or, are you reaching me from the grave?
Posted by Harry at 15/07/2013 19:33
Hi Rob,
Sorry to disappoint you but non of those name ring a bell we me nor has any appeared in the family tree's that I am researching.
My regards, Harry
Posted by cazzy d at 28/07/2013 17:07
Just seen this site and wondering if anyone knows anything about a ship called S Corea, as my Great grandfather Tom Harrison Sprakes was listed aboard this ship in the 1911 census.
Posted by Paul at 28/07/2013 21:00
If you go to www.sloopphyllis dot com you will find details of Billy Boy sloops.The relevant paragraph is about half way down the article.
If a 85 flyboat is the same as your spelling I think it is a power Yacht/power cruiser.
Posted by Harry Driffill at 07/08/2013 19:50
Hi Corby,
I switched sites, from the "Bridges" to the Ships".

I cannot remember you when our family lived in "Rip Van Winkle Land" though you seem to recall my brother, Douglas who is about your age. I am a couple of years older than Doug.

Our friends were the Taylors, Brian and Billy, Trevor Bramham, Roy Bleasdale (he died whilst in his childhood), also Eric Caldicott, Georgie Nickols,Alan Fielder, just to name a few that I can recall and there would be a few girls around.

We lived at 64 Edinburgh Street for many years till moving down to Swindon in 38/39. Both Doug & I went to Alex' school. We came back to Goole for summer holidays and sometimes for Christmas, staying either at my Grandparents house in Westbourne Grove or my Grandmothers at 70 Edinburgh Street.

Have just recently met up with one of the teenage friends. Had a good lunch together talking about the "Old Days" whilst our wives got to know each other. Regards, Harry
Posted by Harry at 07/08/2013 20:09
Hi Paul,
Thanks for your reply. Found the article on the site you gave, everything is still clear as mud to this dull old brain Thanks again. Regards, Harry
Posted by Corby Bunting at 08/08/2013 13:00
Hi Harry.You cannot go far wrong on the
Ships page as the life blood of the town revolves around the shipping.
You certainly struck a chord when you mentioed Roy Bleasedale He was your age born March '32. But sadly died 24/11/41 My memory does not go father back than when I was aged 7. But I do remember Roy with his beaming smile.The family lived in our street then.But moved after Roy's death.A few years ago I wrote an article about the people of Stanley Street.From which I recieved lots of interest by Email.some of which have kept in touch.One lady in particular was called Lilo Bleasedale who had married Jim.She also asked if I remembered Roy.She lived in Germany so it came as a surprise. She sent me a Tree which started with the Hirst family. covering 3 generations.Through many other Goole families which included The Bleasedales also many photographs of this family.We have not been to Goole this year.The first time in 56 years
Posted by Paul at 09/08/2013 00:40
Hi Corby.
Before I left Boothferry Road Junior School in 1955 to live in Hull there was a John Bleasedale in my form. He would have been 9/10 years old. Do you know if he was related to Roy?
Posted by Corby Bunting at 09/08/2013 10:40
Hi Paul sorry there is no John mentioned on this tree in the years you mention. The last child born was in 1981
Posted by Gary Worton at 14/09/2013 00:45
Whassup guys, everyone retired or something?
Nice postings from various folks, but where are all the regular troops?
More to follow.
Posted by Hamish at 14/09/2013 15:48
Ahoy Gary !Good to see you are still on the right side of the grass,It has been rather quiet here on the Goolie site, I was expecting our good buddy Pedro to be on, with a run down on Goole news, but then maybe he is out in the sunny climes ,swamping rum, and roasting his belly in the hot sun, speaking of which I see the weather has not been too kind to you guys down east, we on the other hand are in the midst of a heat wave, till tomorrow that is, I am off next week for a europe river cruise, Amsterdam to Budapest,havn't been in Amsterdam since my time on the "Lanky boats" the Aire I think, or was it the Blythe, age does funny things, that was way back in the fifties, so I expect I won't regognise a thing,The cruise supplies all the booze free(well you pay for it in your ticket of course)so will see if I remember any of it when I get home! Take care H
Posted by Gary Worton at 16/09/2013 02:32
Nice to hear from you too Hamish, and your forthcoming trip to the back of beyond; Amsterjam and Bloodypest. Only kidding of course. Hope you have a great time, but like you say, it won't be anything like you remember it.
Regarding the weather here in Ontario, we had a great summer and it aint over yet (we are still a few degrees better off than Newfyland and New Scotland etc).
I have not closed my pool yet. In fact I was in for a dip earlier on today. Water is still in the 70's, but this is normally about the time to seal her off for what's to come. C'est la vie!
All the best Hamish. Send us a card.
Posted by corby bunting at 24/09/2013 16:09
I've had a request from a Carline Dixon regarding anything to do about he GGrandfather Thomas Harrison Sprakes who served on the SS Corea.
she sent me the 1911 census of the vessel which I think may interest some of the readers
John Cole Master
Stephen Lea 1st. Mate
John Farmery 2nd. Mate
Burick? Scott Cawthorn Cook & Steward
Frederick Arthur Hewitt AB seaman
Rowland James Clark " "
Thomas Harrison Sprakes " "
George William Marchant " "
Henry Mathias Triggs " "
William Henry Pratt " "
Alfred Jackson Chief Engineer
Francis Thomas Midgley 2nd. "
Henry Denby Fireman
George Thompson "
John William Curtis "
Albert Groland "
Tom Bucknell "

Alfred Jackson .To who I am related was of particular interest to myself Can anyone else be of help to this lady?
Posted by Corby Bunting at 03/10/2013 19:15
Today I heard of the death of Pedro.for some time one of the main visitor to this page. My informant a lady who went to the same school in Old Goole told me that she saw him on his bike and then only a few days later read of his death.What a fountain of knowledge and a well liked man.He will be sadly missed

God Bless
Posted by Bill at 04/10/2013 00:22
Hello Corby, thanks for giving us the news about Pedro. I knew him only through his postings on this website but he struck me as a very decent man of great wisdom, experience and humour. I am sad that he is no longer with us. Bill
Posted by Corby Bunting at 05/10/2013 10:53
Hi Bill. We borrowed your Dad's story if you remember.Pedro really enjoyed that for it ran in paralel lines to his. But not in wartime. Even after their time at sea. doing the same job He told me at the time that he was also writing a story. If so maybe one of his daughters may see it printed? Who knows?
Posted by Gary Worton at 06/10/2013 01:00
Corby, to say I am shocked by your posting about Pedro is an understatement.
Assuming, of course, that we are talking about the same Pedro we all know from this web site.
I am refering to Pete Harrison, who I never knew as a seaman, but came to know quite well when we had both swallowed the anchor, as it were.
I will check out the local Goole papers for confirmation of his demise, but there can't be too many Pedros around the Goole area.
He will certainly be sadly missed on this site and in the Goole area.
The last time I met Pete was in the 'Town and Country' pub (Wetherspoons) a few years ago when I was last there on vacation.
He did spend quite a bit of time in his little corner of the world, Barbados (Little England) where I am sure he will be missed too.
More to follow in due course.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 06/10/2013 12:00
No more shocked than I Gary.He was one of those guys that was always there and therefore now badly missed. He chose like many of my old mates to go to sea and it stood him in good stead.One of his closest neighbors who also went MN after serving his apprentice ship at the Shipyard John Appleyard who went Deepsea but later on the Abbey Boats.He is now very poorly
Another person I know you knew Dennis Philpot who as a child down our street surprised all later when he became Mr. West yorkshire. I saw him last year at his nephews funeral and he still looks quite fit .He told me that he is still Pumping Iron
Posted by ellen adamson at 06/10/2013 12:53
My late husbands ancesters came from Oulton to Selby in 1780/1 They were watermen ,and were the first Adamson's in Selby.Thomas Adamson 1764-1849 .He skippered many"Ships" including the scooner "Samuel" built at Selby 1839 by Samuel Gutteridge .The owner was James Audus .It's in the Goole shipping register.I believe they(Adamsons) did the runs to London from Selby.His cousin Thomas Adamson 1807 Selby spent some time in London ,and married in Selby ,His Master's Certificate was issued at Goole 16 Jan.1851.He died 1878.
Posted by Gary Worton at 07/10/2013 01:15
Thanks again Corby for your info regarding Pedro's passing.
I would have liked to have been there for his 'last trip' as it were, but time and space just did not permit.
I have no doubt that there is a place for him on the Lock Hill Memorial site. I will certainly look for it on my next visit.
The name of John Appleyard does kinda ring a bell, having been on the Abbey boats myself at various times in the early sixties, but I do not have a clear recollection of him. I guess it is the age thing again.
I do remember Dennis Philpot from my time with the Goole Judo Club down in the Victoria Pleasure Grounds. Nice to know that he is still 'lifting and snatching' or whatever it is they do.
Bill Sutton and Phil Knight were his main partners at the time, in fact Phil, if memory serves, was the British Champion in power lifting.
Say Hi to these guys on my behalf whenever you can Corby.
My, how time flies.
Posted by Hamish at 13/10/2013 17:46
Ahoy Fellas!! Not very nice to be "off site" for three weeks and come home to news like that, the demise of Pedro, he was a true spirit on site, and altho' I never met him(I do think I had a pint with him in "Charlies" in the early fifties, but its that age thing again)I felt as thought he were a close friend, he was my link to try and keep track of a couple of "Goolies"I was at sea with, namlely Billie Guy and George Cannon,so there is another hole in history with his passing.My thoughts are with his family and close friends at this sad time, and as Gary has mentioned there must be room on that memorial!!
Posted by Gary Worton at 28/10/2013 00:05
Well Hamish, it came as a shock to us all about Pedro's passing but he would have been the last person on earth to see the site decline because of it.
On a more positive note, i trust you had an enjoyable trip to some of your old stomping grounds. Namely Amsterdam, as I don't think any of the Lanky boats ever went to Budapest.
I would hope that you didn't linger too long on those streets where young ladies sit in the windows displaying their wares, but that's another story.
Posted by Hamish at 30/10/2013 15:44
Greetings Gary! Yes the first few days in Amsterdam were realy good, (we took a couple of extra days before the cruise just to explore Amsterdam)and low and behold the first "tour" we did on joining the cruise was a walking trip around Canal street, with a guide who filled us in on a little history of the place,I found it "subdued" as to what I remember, but to be honest we did not tour the whole area, the "window" girls were still there tho'.We also did the "Hop on Hop off" canal tour which took us about two days, and something I would say everyone going to Amsterdam should do, its cheap and very interesting!Another thing that took my mind back to Goole was the number of bikes! Everyone seems to ride one, and one is more in danger of being hit by a bike than a car, they have there own bike paths which we tourists would mistake for the side walk, and end up in a pile of bikesThey say they have a population of a million people , and two million bikes!!,Amsterdam is no longer the port I remember tho, yes there are countless barge traffic(they do more by barge than they do by road, its cheaper)but apart from one P and O cruise ship, I did not see one sea going vessel.The river cruise was good, the food, the booze,the accomodation, were superb, however some of the day trips turned into glorified bus tours, and a lot of the river cruising was done at night, and to mar things for me ,was, I caught a "bug"from someone , and spent the last four days hacking and coughing in my cabin(and all that free beer going begging)but all in all, apart from a few "gliches"I would say it was money well spent
Posted by Malcolm Sutcliff at 22/11/2013 22:04
I have only just found this site and over the past hour have been greatly impressed and moved by the accounts and stories of Goole seafarers and would just like to add a few of my own from when I lived in Dunhill Road Goole from 1944 -1960.
My father, William Sutcliff, first went to sea in 1923 from Goole in the Orlando for 4 years, Torrington for 3 years, Thersa for 3 years and Easingwold for 4 years until the start of the 2nd World War, when he joined the newly built (at Goole shipyard) MV Coxwold and served on her, with Captain Pratt as Master, through many theatres of war including D Day. After the war my mother joined my father and took me along for what sounded like a world cruise, but being only perhaps 3 or 4 at the time I do not have any memory of it, but she always used to tell the story of how she nearly lost me in a bazaar in Casablanca.Why he left the Coxwold always puzzles me because it was a lucky ship and my mother always spoke highly of Captin Pratt, but from 1946 he quickly moved from Saltfleet, Welsh Trader and then the Lanky boats, Hodder, Dearn, Alt, a 7 day voyage on Felixstowe which does not sound like a Lanky, then back to the Dearne, Hodder, Don and Rother, again 2 months on the Broadhurst in 1952 and back to the Lankys Aire and Alt until 1954. Then it was Poole River, Holderknoll and 3 months on the Marlwood of France Fenwick in 1955, which is the first ship mentioned on this web site. He then moved with Captain Tom Collier of Reedness, who he got on very well with, to the Gwynwood for 2 years and finally after 8 months he died aged 59 on the Braywood whilst she was berthed at Jarrow in 1959, when I was 15 years of age. He was a cook and steward and Chief Steward on the Coxwold, cook on the Lanky boats and steward on the France Fenwick boats,
Although I cannot remember seeing her I remember the dintinctive siren of the Parkenella amongst all the others, when they used to blow them on New Years eve. I wanted to go to sea but my mother strictly forbid in on account of the fact that my father was always away rather than at home, which of course is the life of a seafarer and my memories of him are few and fleeting- later I became a barrister instead! Although I live in Country Durham on my way to Whitby I've sometimes called at the village of Coxwold, near Sutton Bank and wondered what significance the name had to the owners, Atkinson Prickett who must have named her -perhaps one of their family had lived there.
I have wonderful memories of going round the docks as a child and a young man and, in contrast to today's fences and railings, one could virtually go anywhere and I remember Everard's MV Grit in dry dock and their other 'ity' boats. My father was born in 1900 at North Street and his father Jacob was the one of the sons of Abraham Sutcliff, mentioned earlier on this site and in Mike Marsh's book as being the licensee of The Crown Inn in Ouse Street in the 1880's. Abraham Sutcliff's headstone is still handsome and erect in Goole cemetery a century or so later.
It is 50 years since I left Goole, but it is still in the blood. Ray Gosling's death this week prompted me to start this search, because his obituary says his favorite of the many documentaries he made was about Goole docks, being on a barge and talking to girls who knew seafarers!
Best Wishes
Malcolm Sutcliff
Posted by Bill Stewart at 24/11/2013 23:44
Malcolm, very interesting for me as I posted the original message about the Marlwood. My dad was ship's cook but left the MN in 1953. Had you realised that you posted your message on the 'archive' Ships page and there is another Ships page with many more messages from recent years.
Posted by Bill Stewart at 24/11/2013 23:50
I am taking the liberty of copying (below) a message just posted by Malcolm Sutcliffe on the Archive Ships page, I notice that there are other recent messages posted there that should be on this page and may have been missed by our readership. Webmaster can you do something about this? Thanks.

"I have only just found this site and over the past hour have been greatly impressed and moved by the accounts and stories of Goole seafarers and would just like to add a few of my own from when I lived in Dunhill Road Goole from 1944 -1960.
My father, William Sutcliff, first went to sea in 1923 from Goole in the Orlando for 4 years, Torrington for 3 years, Thersa for 3 years and Easingwold for 4 years until the start of the 2nd World War, when he joined the newly built (at Goole shipyard) MV Coxwold and served on her, with Captain Pratt as Master, through many theatres of war including D Day. After the war my mother joined my father and took me along for what sounded like a world cruise, but being only perhaps 3 or 4 at the time I do not have any memory of it, but she always used to tell the story of how she nearly lost me in a bazaar in Casablanca.Why he left the Coxwold always puzzles me because it was a lucky ship and my mother always spoke highly of Captin Pratt, but from 1946 he quickly moved from Saltfleet, Welsh Trader and then the Lanky boats, Hodder, Dearn, Alt, a 7 day voyage on Felixstowe which does not sound like a Lanky, then back to the Dearne, Hodder, Don and Rother, again 2 months on the Broadhurst in 1952 and back to the Lankys Aire and Alt until 1954. Then it was Poole River, Holderknoll and 3 months on the Marlwood of France Fenwick in 1955, which is the first ship mentioned on this web site. He then moved with Captain Tom Collier of Reedness, who he got on very well with, to the Gwynwood for 2 years and finally after 8 months he died aged 59 on the Braywood whilst she was berthed at Jarrow in 1959, when I was 15 years of age. He was a cook and steward and Chief Steward on the Coxwold, cook on the Lanky boats and steward on the France Fenwick boats,
Although I cannot remember seeing her I remember the dintinctive siren of the Parkenella amongst all the others, when they used to blow them on New Years eve. I wanted to go to sea but my mother strictly forbid in on account of the fact that my father was always away rather than at home, which of course is the life of a seafarer and my memories of him are few and fleeting- later I became a barrister instead! Although I live in Country Durham on my way to Whitby I've sometimes called at the village of Coxwold, near Sutton Bank and wondered what significance the name had to the owners, Atkinson Prickett who must have named her -perhaps one of their family had lived there.
I have wonderful memories of going round the docks as a child and a young man and, in contrast to today's fences and railings, one could virtually go anywhere and I remember Everard's MV Grit in dry dock and their other 'ity' boats. My father was born in 1900 at North Street and his father Jacob was the one of the sons of Abraham Sutcliff, mentioned earlier on this site and in Mike Marsh's book as being the licensee of The Crown Inn in Ouse Street in the 1880's. Abraham Sutcliff's headstone is still handsome and erect in Goole cemetery a century or so later.
It is 50 years since I left Goole, but it is still in the blood. Ray Gosling's death this week prompted me to start this search, because his obituary says his favorite of the many documentaries he made was about Goole docks, being on a barge and talking to girls who knew seafarers!
Best Wishes
Malcolm Sutcliff"
Posted by Stuart (Webmaster) at 26/11/2013 00:17
Hi Bill - Thanks for pointing it out. I'll attempt to move the messages across from the archive page at the weekend
Posted by Corby Bunting at 26/11/2013 11:24
Hello Malcolm and Bill
The three of us are lucky to know where our fathers were through out their working lives also the war years.Although my father was in the other war
i have just realised that they all came close together.When all worked on the Marlwood My father a Docker. His main job was Coal Trimmer But towards the end of his working life he worked for Bennets as a Cargo Checker. He retired in 1955 aged 60.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 01/12/2013 11:33
Hi Malcolm. Perhaps you are wondering what my latest post had to do with Bennets shipping. Because The Marlwood always moored up at Bennets Wharf along with the Ortalon I perhals assumed wrongly that she was a Bennets ship
In 1955 I had just completed my apprenticeship and it was touch and go wether I joined the Ortalon or did my stint in the National service.I chose the later as I was able to go in in my trade
your article seemed to hold many coincidences for me.I made a friend in the RAF who was the mamger of the Whitby Shipyard.After our demob I had a job lined up there.but when that time came we had a family and friends down here in we stayed
Each year we came "Home" for the cemetery run ,friends and also visiting Barnard Castle where my brother in law owned a guest house A listed building for like so many others Cromwell had visited
Finally your reference to Sutton Bank.In 1952 I joined Goole Wheelers Many members chose to ride Fixed wheel with only a front brake.To go down SuttonBank and it's neighbour Wass Bank. Gave the thrill of a lifetime we had to be sure our feet were firmly clipped in.
Great days, well remembered
Posted by Hamish at 03/12/2013 00:34
Ahoy Malcolm! I might have sailed with your Dad, as I was on the Aire, Don and Dearne, around the same era, 52/55 but I would have to locate my discharge book to come up with exact dates, and many more of his ships bring back a little nostalgia, the Broadhurst for instance, I was never on her, but she was a regular runner to Shoreham in the early fifties,and I was on the Beeding the Seaford, Petworth, and Grangetoft, who all were also regulars in Shoreham, so we crossed her path many times, cheers H
Posted by Paul Campsell at 09/12/2013 21:44
To: Corby Bunting - Corby in your most recent communication you mention the ''Marlwood" and ''Ortolan'' being moored at Bennetts berth. The vessel was actually the ''Marwood'' (Capt. McLeod a true gentleman)
Posted by Paul Campsell at 09/12/2013 21:53
Corby Bunting - name of vessel should read "Marsworth" - first comment in movers and shakers by John Storey confirms this.
Posted by Bill at 10/12/2013 20:44
The vessel I have been referring to was definitely the Marlwood (official no.148064). The second ship of that name.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 12/12/2013 14:40
The Plot Thickens.How to arrive at a conclusion I don't know. I know that I once made and delivered a Hold ladder to the ship from our workshop next door to Camplings.I do not know who the Master was.but I did know a member of the crew.Jack Taylor of Armthorpe who married a very good friend of ours, Mary Taun. Mary is no longer with us or her sister Eileen, but I believe Jack still lives in Goole. Perhaps one of our readers will know of him?
Posted by Hamish at 14/12/2013 01:11
Marlwood, launched 1924 as Felside,1930 became Swandale, owners,Atkinson and Pricket,1938 became Marlwood, owners France Fenwick, broken up 1957
Posted by Gary Worton at 15/12/2013 01:24
After a few weeks of computer problems I'm back on track.
Nice to hear from you again Hamish (last time I heard from you, you'd just returned from Amsterdam)
Anyways, a note to Bill Stewart; as I've probably mentioned in previous postings, I never sailed with your dad (Joe) but I knew him well. After I came ashore in 1964, I worked with him at Ferrybridge 'C' power station and spent some happy hours with him and your mom in the Peacock lounge on East Parade; whilst you were still in 'Uni', to use today's vernacular.
It's not the same place nowadays apparently, but what the heck - memories never change.
Any way folks, I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year and hope to resume normal service in due course.
Posted by Hamish at 15/12/2013 03:21
I echo that Gary!! Altho I am not a "Native" Goolie coming from Leeds(by way of the Scottish Highlands)I have many memories of the old place,The Railway Tavern and "Charlie".Melodies, the first pub I ever set foot in in Goole as a young green deck boy, and the great times we had there voyage after voyage in the "lankie boats",the colliers,and the deep sea trips in between,the girls we fell in love with(for a trip)and the fellow seamen we rubbed shoulders with, great great memories!!All I can say is "Thank you Goole for your Tolerance,and be sure to have a very merry Christmas and a Great new year!! Lang May Yer Lums Reek
Posted by Bill at 15/12/2013 23:33
Hi Gary, mention of 'Ferrybridge C' brings back memories. My dad got me a temporary job there in my summer college vacation (I think I was working for Babcocks?). Anyway as a fitters mate I accidentally dropped a hammer down the gap between the gantry and boiler(?) we were working on. We were at the top level and I had to walk, with some trepidation, down five flights of stairs to retrieve it - I knew there were men working below! Thank god I didn't kill anyone but the blokes down there certainly used some colourful language to say what they thought of me.
Posted by tony clyne at 17/12/2013 19:42
hi gary dont know whether you remember me was on byland for short time with you westerlygales the skipper ken hammond bosun his brother doug was union bloke fond memories of bryddens bodega across the road in copes tuborg 75 ore a bottle carlsberg was a womans drink then back to scub gratings for bacon. spent a lot of time in peacock when sid and rose had it. i also finished in 1964 and went to ferrybridge painting for tighes i think you trained as a welder when you went to babbies
Posted by Geoff Depledge at 18/12/2013 08:52
Re Marlwood, see archived Ships March 2006 from Pedro and myself
Posted by Gary Worton at 21/12/2013 01:54
Hi Tony, nice to hear from an old shipmate. You are right on all counts. I remember your name but I can't put a face to it yet, although I will continue to work on it.
Yes I did train as a gas welder after coming ashore in 1964 and it was for Babcock & Wilcox on boiler construction.
Came to Canada in 1981, also to work for the great B&W (Canada) but didn't stay too long.
Other opportunities cropped up (too numerous to mention here)
Anyways, nice to hear from you and perhaps we can 'swing the lamp' again and fill in a few gaps later.
Hope to hear from you guys later, Hamish; Bill et-al.
Posted by Christine Spencer at 27/12/2013 21:01
I once had a ride on the Marlwood. The captain was my great uncle
Tom Collier.
I remember visiting his house in Reedness many times.

Would love to hear from Mark Mackenzie . His mother was my mothers cousin.
His auntie Lily still alive and living in New Zealand?
Posted by Gary Worton at 01/01/2014 03:47
May I wish all contributors a very Happy New Year. Hope to hear from you later.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 01/01/2014 16:16
Hi everybody! First thanks for the reply Gary correction on the price of beer 1 krone across the road 75 ore in dockers canteen on quay. I will introduce myself, Barry Krebbs put me onto this site, I read all the comments from Geoff Le Voguer in 2008 to present with interest. I went to sea school in Gravesend in late 50s and came out as a fully qualified deck boy. After several deep sea trips and getting my E.D.H Cert. I started sailing out of Goole I was several A.H.L ships York, Leeds,Wakefield, Whitby Abbey and Byland Abbey. Other ships were Lancing, Ardingly, Broadhurst, London, Eildon, Hesslegate.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 01/01/2014 17:18
Continuing---To Geoff Le Voguer your dad was on the Lancing with me I remember the well washed boiler suit and beret not forgetting his tashe he was also on probably one of the AHL boats with me as I remember bring him home from Hull in my car with a couple of other lads, we must have stopped in Hull that trip for me to have been using my car Charlie swore he would never travel with me again, Hull to Goole in 24 mins in 1962/3 in my Laurel green 1957 Vauxhall Victor
Posted by david owens at 05/01/2014 19:04
my great grandfather james drackford born london 1839 .was the
mate . on the ralph crayke. sank of lundy island feb/2/1879 .
there bodies was never recovered . he left 5 children .his daughter
elsie drackford. married my GRANDDAD FRANCES WESTON
Posted by Gary Worton at 18/01/2014 01:42
Hi once again guys:
Regarding Tony's reference to the butter boats, namely the Byland Abbey and sister ship Kirkham Abbey on the Copenhagen run, I used what little techy knowledge I have and used Google Earth to zoom in on where we used to tie up at 'Islands Brygge'.(circa 1960/62)
What we knew as 'Container Brugge' (just across from the Bodega and Haroldsburg) is now waterside parkland. Landscaped lawns with park benches and such. I'd love to visit it now and reminisce. I also understand that the imposing structure of the Hotel Europa. which was just across the water, is no longer there.
I have a couple of photos (the old 35mm type) with the Europa in the background which I treasure. One of which features myself, Tony Ogden (fellow AB) and Lutie Walton (M/M) sunning ourselves on the afterdeck.
Tony, you may have been on the Byland Abbey around this time.
I,ll try and send them to the site if I can figure out how. Where's the grandkids when you need 'em?
'S'all for now folks, hope to hear from you in due course.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 19/01/2014 17:33
Hi Gary I only met Lutie Walton once.At his sister in law (Mary Tauns) wedding.
I have photo of Jim Stanley,Lutie.Bob Harrison ( Pedro's Bro) Ely Taun ( Mary's Dad) and Tommy Gill Photo taken outside the Peacock.Email me for a copy if you wish
Posted by Hamish at 20/01/2014 01:23
Cor stone the crows Gary! You sure have a good memory, all I can remember of Copenhagen while on the "Don" was the mermaid sitting on the rock in the harbour, well maybe I can recall a few brewery "tours" where they would give you a case of beer for taking the tour, but that only lasted untill they came to regognise you, no matter what kind of disguise one tried, I got away with it three times, and I have a vague memory of the gardens, and a couple of football pitches, thats about it, can not remember where we tied up tho, nor all the big buildings you speak of, you must have been paying attention
Posted by Tony Clyne at 22/01/2014 15:08
Hi all. While I remember most and sailed with a lot of the names mentioned in past comments I will give a few more that may be known, Gary beat me to two, who could forget the Bopper and Lute, sadly I believe Tony died a long time ago, I recall taking him home to Moorends with a carryout on the back seat there were three of us I think Spats Sutcliffe was the other one. The crew of the Lancing was Capt. Bilton, Charlie the Pole mate, Arthur Mount sec. mate, Maltese Joe Cini from Leeds bosun Me, Stan Foord (I think that is correct spelling) RoyLinnington Charlie Le Voguer, Alan (Spud) Tate, Arthur (Dinger) Cowling ass. steward, Bernard ? m/m. Ted Acaster was cook, went home with Stan once to Seaford, went out with his bros and slept on his mums floor. Others I have sailed with Pete Mudd and Graham (Togger) ? from Leeds, Alec Grant, Mick Bird from Stainforth, Albert Smith bosun (apparently only had two ships Beeding and Broadhurst) Harry Bellaby bosun on Leeds and London, Tommy Waterland, Dave and Reg Hoggard, Arthur Pettican. Two others come to mind Cisco and Lofty who I think were Roy Linningtons bros. sadly Lofty was drowned in the docks working as a boatman and lastly how could I forget my mate Ray (Hank the Yank) Mayo and his 52 Harley Davidson who I think was actually Canadian. To go onto AHL all the captains did their own pilotage to Goole, as Gary will probably remember Capt. Walters on the Leeds had his own wheelman between Hull and Goole I took this job when whoever was doing it left, good job kept dry and sheltered. Whitby Abbey had Paddy Boyland capt. he only slowed down coming round Middle Witton, Ken Bolland was mate and Abadan Harry was sec. mate Freddy Clynes was steward (no relation). Finally the York which I did most of my Copenhagen, on either on the beer run or relieving Byland or Kirkham as her lower holds were fridge, Capt. Bill Laverack one of the best who I knew before I went to sea as I delivered his newspaper when I was at school, somebody mentioned an article about him in the local paper I kept that it is from The Goole Times dated Thurs. May 8th 2008. That seems to be all about ships for now. I will just correct, verify or add to a couple of past comments on these pages, Melodies was the Railway Hotel its name came from the time when it was owned or run by the parents of actor/comedian Tony Melody, Hughie Waters had it at the time most of us remember, here is the correction sorry to who it is meant for but Hughies wife was Betty not Mary, Charlie Hailstones wife was Mary. After he left the pub Hughie worked with me as a lorry driver for Lep Trasnsport well that seems to be all for now I feel like Max Bygraves, gonna tell you a story. Hope to read some good comments, corrections or whatever to this lot. Bye for now. P.S. Just remembered I was talking to Ken Bromley the other day and I asked him which AHL Captain flew the Blue Ensign he thought it was Jack Collier can someone verify. Bye again.
Posted by Hamish at 23/01/2014 17:02
Ahoy Tony! You have a memory for names that matches Garies,I was from Leeds but don't regognise any of the names of which you speak, I am surprised that Hughie went truck driving as Melodies was such a thriving pub, seemed to be always full dependent on tide times of course. You have a Smith as Bosun on the Beeding, what year would that be? When I was on her Long Bill Johnston from Hove was Bosun and he had been on her from new, he was a permanent fixture on her and I would relieve him for his holidays, that was the middle fifties. You are correct Jack Collier was the blue ensign guy , he was Master on the Aire, in fact he was in command when she was hit and sunk just down river from Goole, a great guy by the name of Tute was Mate on her he became a Goole river pilot. A couple of "Goolies" I was with were George Cannon, Billy Guy,"buckie" Dent, "Lofty" Cornforth, and a couple of Leeds Guys were Jimmy Cooper, Aurther Mason (who has posted on here)and Pete Olley now sadly gone. I sailed with many more "Goolies " but names are not my strong point, but I am surprised you never mentioned Billy Guy,(he became a docker) as he was a star turn in Melodies with his renditions of Franckie Lane , but then maybe the era of which I speak is a little before your time, mines was the early 50's , joined my first ship in Goole in 1949 at the dock right outside Melodies front door Cheers H
Posted by Tony Clyne at 24/01/2014 11:46
Hi all Re my last posting,got to where I was mentioning Hughies wife hit something and scrubbed the lot, had to try remember and rewrite all I had written. Forgot the Haraldsburg Gary and the little grocers on the corner, Islands Brygge certainly altered from the wasteland full of raiway containers etc. One name I forgot from my re-write, Jim Costello cook on the Whitby also had a good poker school on there. Hamish re. Albert Smith I was on Broadhurrst with him mid 63 don`t know about his time on Beeding. I knew Billy Guy but as I said all the names I posted I had not seen mentioned before. To finish this posting, I have signed up to Ships Nostalgia, have found photos of every ship I was on except London there are thousands. Thats it bye for now. Nearly forgot, as you said Hamish, Jack Collier was on the Aire when she had the collision well Ken Bromley who I mentioned was on the wheel.
Posted by Gary Worton at 28/01/2014 14:12
Hi guys once again. Tony, I well remember most of your list of former shipmates, plus a few more. Regarding the Byland Abbey, who could forget George Woofe, Len Jones, Pete Robinson (Doncaster), Tommy Leighton; all deckies but I recall George Coggan and Dennis Toulan were two of the M/M from the Byland. Many of these guys have unfortunately crossed the bar but the last time I was back, about four years ago, I chanced upon Dennis McKone AB, Kirkham Abbey and already mentioned Tom Waterland in Wetherspoons 'Town and Country'. The Graham (Toggie) who'se name you couldn,t place was Ramsden. His best buddy was Brian Temperton, who recently e-mailed me from Australia. Ray Mayo I also recall, although I never sailed with him. He was on the Byland Abbey at a different time. I understand he fell afoul of the Danish customs over an excess of Rizla products and had his Harley-Davidson confiscated (Cpt, Westerdale allowed him to take it aboard). I don't know if he ever got it back or not. Anyway guys, 's all for now so all the best and keep 'em coming.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 29/01/2014 14:27
Hi Gary you are right about Ray and the cig papers I think he spent a fortnight in clink over there, he got his bike back with lots of bits missing got rid and bought a brown and cream Vauxhall Cresta. A hearth rug arrived in a taxi when I got married he also sent me Johnny Cash Ring of Fire LP from the States last I heard of him he was in Rhodesia in the police but that was in 60s. Names you mentioned, sailed with Len Jones knew most of the others, I found a picture of Byland on photoships going through first bridge leaving Copes I think, looks like berth in background. Keep taxing the brain cells,see you.
Posted by Gary Worton at 03/02/2014 15:13
Ahoy me hearties, just another item or two about the Byland Abbey and some of her crew (at the risk of boring our other contributors).
Tony, do you recall the Byland going into dry-dock at one point and having her fo'c'sle bulwarks raised about five feet? I was on her then but can't remember the reason. They never did it to any of the other Abbey ships. I know you had to stand on the old gunwales to see over. It did, however, provide a bit of wind protection at stations. Corby, maybe as a shipwright you could shed some light on it.
Regarding Ray Mayo Tony, you say he went to Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) and joined the police. I found it interesting, as I also went into the field of criminal justice here in Canada, having come to work as a welder. I spent 17 years as an Ontario Provincial Correctional Officer (screw). I sometimes used to look at the inmates and think, 'there but for the grace of God go I'. LOL!
Anyway folks, dinner's ready so I'll say adios for now.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 04/02/2014 14:57
Hi Gary my memories of Goole ships when most of them were sharp bowed. my favourite was Hilversum In heavy seas these ships would soon shed the water taken
Along came the "Spoon " bowed vessels which of course gave a larger working area on deck. but to to take a big one would mean a great deal more water on deck
Perhaps this mod of taking the sheerline another 5 ft higher was an attempt to increase buoyancy in an effort to keep her head up. Thus, less dunking with less loss of speed and less strain all round
Posted by Ian Kenning at 06/02/2014 10:16
New to this, a very interesting and knowledgeable lot you all are. I was wondering if any of you knew my Uncle Fred Barley. He was an AB on the SS Fort Lamy which was torpedoed off Southern Greenland in 1943. I have been doing some research and have actual photos of the U Boat which sank the ship, also the U Boat commander. If any of you had relations either on the SS Fort Lamy, or are related to any of the Crew (Nearly All of them perished I believe - Including my Uncle Fred).
It would be good to hear from any of you who knew about this ship or any of her crew.


Posted by Tony Clyne at 08/02/2014 13:13
Hi Gary, ref raising the bow on Byland, I tend to agree with Corby, seem to remember something about Capt. W. having it done to stop her playing submarines in heavy weather, also wasn`t he famed for never getting stuck in the ice. To change the subject I read in past comments a discussion I believe betwen Hamish and someone else (can`t find it now) as to the whereabouts of the Shipping Federation, Stanhope St. or East Parade, Shiping Federation (Pool) was E/P Mercantile Marine Office S/St. drove past the other day it`s getting demolished, half of it was a pile of rubble. TTFN.
Posted by Bill at 08/02/2014 23:39
Ian, like you I have a relative, my father, who was sunk off southern Greenland in WW2. Not only was I able to get a photo of the U boat involved (U85) and its commander, I was contacted by someone in East Germany whose father knew the commander. He was able to send me a photo taken by the submarine of my dad's ship (Thistleglen) sinking.
Fortunately my dad survived that attack and another sinking. He retired from the MN in 1953 and died in 1986. The fascinating thing was that the German chap was researching the same incident and our paths crossed as we were digging out the same records at the same time 60 years after the event.
Posted by Hamish at 09/02/2014 01:12
Cor Tony thats going back a ways, it was a discussion between me and Pedro I recall getting off the bus from Leeds just round the corner from the pool , but the first stop was not the pool it was the toilets under the clock, which I believe was moved after I moved on to Canada, sometime after 57,I recall my query as to the street name, and pedro came back with the answer, and also the answer as to the two guys names who ran the office, one was an old s.o.b. and the other was a heavy set young guy who you could talk to (or should I say talk out of things)Then there was Jock the union guy whom you had to go see if you got a ship, that was another bunch of Malarkie, that must have been one old building it was shakie in 1950 should have been blown up then !! I suppose they will clear the land and sell "River Side" view lots at a terrible price, but I suppose that is progress
Posted by Hamish at 09/02/2014 01:22
Ahoy Ian! Try your search on the website Ships Nostalgia, you have to sign, it but joining is easy, and there are many many knowledgeabe old salts on there, and still a few left that served in world war two, and the Russian convoys, good luck H
Posted by Hamish at 10/02/2014 20:53
Ahoy Ian! What I have dug up so far regarding the Fort Lamy, she was launched as the War Peacock, renamed Portfield, and then Fort Lamy, she was sunk by U527 on 8/3/1943,does this agre with your records?H
Posted by Corby Bunting at 11/02/2014 16:15
Hi Gary on the subject of major alteration work in Ships. I have somewhere a DVD issued by Goole Chamber of commerce it carries you on a journey around the Docks and shows most of the work carried on there over the years One part struck me as very interesting There was a ship I believe may have been the Beeding or Henfield I was in dry dock to be lengthened!! It was cut all around. Then the two halves Jacked apart. I cannot remember how far but the gap was re plated and made good.I would like to know i any of our readers can show some light on this mammoth task and to what purpose
Posted by Ian at 13/02/2014 13:37
Hi Hamish.
Yes you are correct, and many thanks for the information, I will investigate further.
Bill it was interesting to hear your tale about your Dad and luckily he survived the sinking. Also the efforts made by the German researcher who was, or is, also interested in this event. It just goes to show that in horrible and violent circumstances, even our then enemies carry thoughts of the war.

Posted by Tony Clyne at 15/02/2014 14:19
Hi Hamish, just a little diversion for you, see you`re on Ships Nostalgia, go on gallery to Ocean Liners and Cruise Ships search Atlantis right hand photo on top row enlarge and read comments then if you are on look up MV Palma (+1944) as you will see very personal to me. To return to East Parade the Pool and Union Office only the Peacock is left the rest of the block was demolished and is now the rear wall of the Leisure Centre. Look forward to any comment you make TC.
Posted by Martin Smith at 16/02/2014 13:31
Hello Tony,

Did wonder if you were related to Freddy Clines when I first saw your name. My father(Phil Smith) sailed with Freddy on the Whitby Abbey - i recall my father calling him "red Freddy" due to his political sympathies. I have a picture of the Whitby Abbey catering crew in the bar - would be great if I could get a copy to you to see if you can put names to the faces.
Posted by Hamish at 16/02/2014 21:03
Ahoy Tony! Very interesting, the old boy was lucky (depending on how you look at being torpedoed) but tell me, did he survive the War? I hope so, as 1944 was getting a bit late into it and maybe it took a while to get back to blighty, I note that the Atlantis was renamed from Andes, when I was at Gravesend sea school in 1949, my dorm was overlooking the river , and I remember the "new" Andes tying up at Tilbury (opposite to the school)a couple of times, all the catering trainees who were due to leave that weekend would get all of a twitter in the hopes of being sent to join her, don't know why her, as quite a few of the "straths" would come in too, but did not seem to generate the same excitement cheers H
Posted by Bill Ligg at 17/02/2014 01:18
been good to read all the stuff that been added since i was last on. Was sad to ear of the loss of Pedro gone but not forgotten. Speak to all later buy for now.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 17/02/2014 11:29
Hi H. yes he survived war, commanded Atlantis till she was taken out of service and he retired in 51, I am trying to find where I can get a record of his M/N career as I know very little about him and I am now eldest in the family so no one to ask. To Martin Smith sorry your father`s name does`t ring a bell can`t say when I was on Whitby as I can`t find my discharge book, probably sometime in 62. where are you are you local to Goole.
Posted by Hamish at 20/02/2014 23:16
Ahoy Tony! Open a thread on SN and put your questions to those guys, there are several on there that seem to be very knowledgable and know how to navigate thru all the searches required at Kew and such places, and they seem to jump at a chance to get mixed up in old records, who knows you might find a few that have sailed with him, as he only retired in 52 which is not that far back, good luck H
Posted by Martin Smith at 21/02/2014 16:43
Hello Tony -my dad was on the Whitby Abbey from 1954 till 1960 - he then went on to the Melrose Abbey /Leeds/York/Wakefield until AHL folded in 1971/72 -the photo I have is from 1955 so i suppose many in the photo will have moved on before you sailed on her in 1962. Am Hessle based.
Posted by Hamish at 21/02/2014 19:28
Ian and Tony Ian was his name Fred Barley sure it was not Kenneth?and do you have a date of birth for him? And Tony do you have the years he was master of the Atlantis?He was torpedoed while master of the Palma in the Indian Ocean,his DOB is april 1891 and I believe he has a medal card at Kew which can be downloaded for 3pound 36p at s?uri=D4351797,got this info from SN and more to come when I have mr Barley's DOB Cheers H ps jump right in Tony on SN look under my post -info on two old mariners
Posted by Tony Clyne at 24/02/2014 13:23
Hi Hamish, found your thread on SN put info on for Roger and Hugh thanks for starting it. T.C
Posted by Ian at 28/02/2014 15:03
Hi Hamish.
Yes it was definitely my Uncle Kenneth. Fred was his younger brother and worked on the railway at Goole as a driver. My uncle Fred lived down Newport street and died in his eighties.
Uncle Kenneth was torpedoed by; I think it was U521 just south of Greenland.
Posted by Ian at 28/02/2014 15:09
Hi Hamish. sorry my uncle Kenneth was born in 1910 Dont know the month, but he was younger than my Uncle Fred, not older as I thought.
Posted by Hamish at 01/03/2014 00:46
Ahoy Ian so his name was Kenneth, thats what the SN guys have as his name as one of the victims of the sinking, I will relay that info , and I believe he has a medal due, but more on that also, or why don't you join SN and feed in your own info sos you get feedback straight from the horses mouth so to speak, and you can also feed in your own questions cheers H
Posted by Ian at 03/03/2014 15:36
Hi Hamish.

Sorry to be a nuisance, but it would be good to here if My Uncle Kenneth has a medal to come. How do I join the SN?
Posted by Gary Worton at 03/03/2014 15:41
Hi folks. I've been keeping up to date on your most recent postings but have nothing to contribute on the subjects mentioned.
One thing Hamish, you refer to SN on a couple of your posts; pardon my ignorance but what is it and how do I access it? It sounds interesting.
Posted by Paul at 04/03/2014 11:29
Ships nostalgia.Just type in search engine.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 04/03/2014 16:29
Hi Gary, have you found ships nostalgia yet, just register then login every time you go on the site, loads of interesting stuff on there, if you follow my little diversion for Hamish you`ll find out what we were talking about. HAMISH, had a wander around Goole yesterday only three ships in dock went on lock hill to Seamans Memorial but every where else fenced off can`t go anywhere now, only public right of way is from Lowther across bridge along walkway to Ocean Lock.
Posted by Hamish at 04/03/2014 17:10
Ahoy Guys!! I have answered a couple of posts on here, but nothing has shown up yet ,must be a glitch someplace
Posted by Hamish at 04/03/2014 17:14
Cor stone the crows that one got straight thru? no vetting? Anyhoo Gary Just put ships nostalgia into your search engine and go from there its just that easy, and to anyone reading this one does not have to be an ex Mariner to join just have an interest in ships.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 06/03/2014 10:03
I have just received the news That my oldest friend passed away
John Appleyard served his apprenticeship at the Goole Shipyard After which he joined the MN and went Deep sea the most of his life. In later years on tne Abbey boats .followed by the Power Stations a well loved man of my era died at his home in Nafferton
My Thoughts are now with Janet his wife also Mandy and Kay his daughters

God Bless
Posted by Tony Clyne at 13/03/2014 12:46
Quiet on these pages, is every one on holiday?
Posted by Tony Clyne at 13/03/2014 13:03
To Stuart (webmaster), On The Docks page there is a photo of Fountains Abbey in Ocean Lock and a comment posted 2010 from Ray Mayo is there an e mail address for him or send mine to him and ask him to get in touch . Thanks TC.
Posted by Hamish at 14/03/2014 15:12
Ahoy Tony! Be back on full board day!! (do they still do that ?)cheers H
Posted by Tony Clyne at 15/03/2014 11:34
Hi Hamish, don`t need full board now, most pubs are open 1100-2300 better than F/B day.
Posted by Hamish at 15/03/2014 16:11
Ahoy Tony! Forgot about the changed hours, it was full board day in my days , so what you are saying is, tide times have to be in the middle of the night every day of the week now
Posted by Gary Worton at 20/03/2014 15:53
Ahoy again messmates, your posts about 'full-board day' brought back some happy memories. If memory sefves, the pubs were still supposed to close at 5 pm for an hour for clean-up purposes but not many did. Tne 'Sydney' e.g. springs to mind. They just closed the doors so that you couldn't get in or out.
I always thought it was for market day; a throw back to the days when the farmers from around the area came to hawk their produce and spend the day in the 'big city'.
Still, it came in handy for us thirsty and weary mariners (Yuk-yuk!)
'Sall for now guys, keep that lamp swinging.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 21/03/2014 13:01
Gary your`e right about Full Board day (Wednesday) but it only applied to the main street i.e. Boothferry Rd. and Aire St. and Ouse St. because they were the old town main streets so in our time to my reckoning it only took in seven pubs, North Eastern, Tavern, George, Sydney, Mac, Royal, Lowther and Crown, I don`t think Station was in because it was wrong side of railway although Steam Packet might have been one.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 21/03/2014 13:07
Sorry can`t count thats eight pubs, is it Wed? On about counting do you remember The Count, bosun on the York.
Posted by Hamish at 24/03/2014 14:52
Ahoy Gary you are correct I recall it being Market Day too, and Tony I do believe there were more pubs than your eight count open, all the "hole in the wall" pubs on Bridge street were open, melodies and the Vymuden(s) forsure, as I can recall the trek(stagger) from Charlies to melodieswhen docked in West dock?on the butter boats,I recall a block of public toilets on the side of Bridge streetwhich were very convienent when on said trek
Posted by Tony Clyne at 24/03/2014 15:57
Hamish, I agree that those you mention were open but I think it was full board day every day with them. LOL
Posted by Gary Worton at 29/03/2014 15:10
Regarding the 'full-board day' pubs, I agree with Hamish that there were more than eight.
From the 'Lowther' down Aire Street, there was the 'Crown'; 'Royal' 'Mackintosh'and the 'Sydney' onto Boothferry Rd was the 'George', 'Railway'
(Charlies), the 'North Eastern'. There was also the 'Burlington' on Burlington Cresc.
Bridge Street was home to 'Melodies', then the 'Vermuden', plus the Top-house,, Middle-house and Bottom-house on South Street, the names of which I have completely forgotten. That makes at least fourteen.
There was also a pub next door to 'Melodies' but again I don;t recall the name or if it was a full boarder. Can't think of any more off-hand so I'll not bore you further.
Bye for now.
Posted by Bill at 29/03/2014 17:08
This may be of historic interest and I can't vouch for its accuracy. It's a list of pubs said to be existing in 1890 shown on a map compiled by B.Masterman.
C/o Bridge St & Doyle St - Cape of Good Hope
Bottom of Bridge St - Anchor Inn later renamed Vemuyden Hotel
Opp the Vermuyden - Canal Tavern possibly renamed Blacksmiths
South Street - Dock Tavern
c/o South St & Quay St - Mariners Arms
Quay St - Ship Hotel
c/o South Street & Dock St - Free Gardeners
Barge Dock Side - Hole in the Wall (real name thought to be Newark Castle Inn)
Doyle Street - Keel Inn, Jolly Sailor,Clarence Hotel, The Grapes, Sun Inn, Buchanan Hotel, Foundry Arms.
Albert Street - Wheatsheaf Hotel, Railway Hotel
Posted by Stuart (Webmaster) at 31/03/2014 00:42
Hi - There's a picture of the map on page 10 of the document below. I seem to recall it was on display inside the Macintosh down Aire Street at one point
Posted by Gary Worton at 01/04/2014 16:04
Thanks for the memory jogger Bill, re, the 'Railway' and 'Wheatsheaf' on Albert St, Also the 'Cape' and the pubs on South St.
Some of the others I don't recall at all. Maybe they were gone before I started sailing out of Goole in the late 50s
Posted by Hamish at 08/04/2014 01:06
Greetings guys !Jog my memory, what was the real name of. Melodies?An. Yes Gary there was a pub next door to Melodies and as I recall it did not have electrical hook upI seem to recall sitting in there swamping beer to the glow of parafin lamps (tillies) very cozy
Posted by TonyClyne at 08/04/2014 12:20
Hamish, it was the Railway Hotel now just an open space at the end of the street along with the Wheatsheaf.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 08/04/2014 12:27
Gary, some of those pubs were gone before you were born never mind before you started sailing out of Goole
Posted by Keith at 08/04/2014 13:54
Funny no one seems to mention the ' Sidney Hotel ' on Aire St , that had full board as well !!
Posted by George Robinson at 08/04/2014 22:45
help I was on one of the ahl ships early 60's think it was byland or bolton abbey running from Goole to Amsterdam can anyone tell me the where she docked in Amsterdam please I know its a hard one but I'm thinking of going to Amsterdam to look at the sights but I am prepared to get lost after all it was around 50 years ago when I went to goole the only place that rang any bells was the north eastern george and peacock all pubs but could not find my old stamping ground melodies I could'nt find if Pete Brannigan reads this give me a shout anyone else who sailed with me -----george
Posted by Tony Clyne at 09/04/2014 11:35
KEITH, see my posting 21/3/14 13:01 re. full board day, also did you see my answer on Pubs page regarding Ferryboat.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 09/04/2014 11:44
To George Robinson, you will have to think again about the ship you were on, Byland Abbey did Goole - Copenhagen and Bolton Abbey did Hull - Rotterdam. I can`t remember which ship went to Amsterdam but it was Selby, Harrogate or Darlington
Posted by Tony Clyne at 09/04/2014 11:48
George sorry din`t finish, Melodies is no more, got flattened a few yars ago along with Wheatsheaf which was next door
Posted by jack tar at 09/04/2014 19:04
goerge robinson. asking about .pete brannigan
in 1995 i sailed with a pete brannigan on the everards seniority .
he was the mate.i believe he was living in the doncaster area.
he will be retired naw.
Posted by Keith at 09/04/2014 19:53
Hi Tony, Yes saw your post on the pubs, but what I really meant was most of the old pubs no longer around, always seem to be in mind . The Sidney very rarely gets a mention even though it was at one time one of the major inns in Goole. The Ferry Boat was has you mentioned and as I thought, known earlier as the Riverside.But do you know where all Goole's Breweries were?
Posted by Hamish at 10/04/2014 16:56
Ahoy Guys Back in my prehistoric days at sea I was on the AHL Aire which ran to. Rotterdam and Amsterdam both ports in one trip, the Blyth did Antwerp Ghentin one trip,A good thing to do in Amsterdam is to take the Hop on Hop off canal boats there are about five of them which one can do in one day,I was the same back after sixty years and didn't regognise a thing, in fact Amsterdam is dead now as far as shipping is concerned all kinds of barrges but except for the odd cruise ship nothing,Rotterdam is the main place now, but what ever you do WATCH OUT FOR BIKES !! ten times worse than Goole used to be
Posted by John Rockett at 14/04/2014 20:55
are there any Rockett's left in Goole
Posted by Tony Clyne at 15/04/2014 10:52
Sorry Keith don`t know anything about old breweries in Goole, there might be something on the map Stewart mentioned on 31/3 /14. I Googled old breweries in goole yorkshire uk but all it brought up was Old Mil Brewery in Snaith.
Posted by Norman Roberts at 15/04/2014 19:32
TC ther was a brewery at West Cowick, it was purchased by the Hull Brewery Co and was used for storage, I can remember delivering many loads of cigarettes to the old Brewery. It was taken over by Snaith brewery, All this took place when I worked for British Rail working from the goods yard in the station yard.Most of the shops in Goole-had their goods also arrived at goole via British rail catalogs co parcels arrived also by rail there was myself Ken Batty.Harry Yeoman who was the deliver drivers for Goole and the local aria,for British Rail this took place in the early 1960s
Regards N R
Posted by Keith at 15/04/2014 20:14
The Brewery I was thinking of in Goole I think, was Heptonstalls ( I believe was related to Ralf at Heppies in Hook ) It was sited opposite Lidl on North street where the Gibraltar Flats are now . C&F Easton;s building firm occupied this position after the brewery closed. They was also Cowells on Carter St and Shorts on First Ave but I think they only bottled beer.
Posted by Norman Roberts at 16/04/2014 20:40
The rather large building in Forth Avenue was called the carabine building, I have seen Cod Bottles with that name on a Bottle,the first bottle shown to me was found on the river bank at Laxton.
My Sister has the other one, the person who gave me this information about the Carabine Family has past on,he was born in 4th Avenue he lived to be 84 has anyone got any information about the Carabine Lemonade Co.
Regards N R
Posted by Norman Roberts at 22/04/2014 21:17
Hi our Farther before during and after WW2 worked very hard along with many more hard working Goole dockers.
Our farther was a coal trimmer working up to 18 hours a day for 7 days a week,this was to keep our Power Station Hospitals Schools and Industry's working in south of England, throughout the War and after well into the 1950s,the Colliers of the day had very small hatches the coal trimmers were in the ships hold with a shovel,when the tom Puddings was emptied into the ships hold it was the job of the coal trimmer to level the coal out and move the coal under the decks.
How many of you merchant seamen could see how hard these men where working so you and your shipmates could pen out into the river Ouse and into the North Sea sailing for the south of England,them who sailed during the War they was very brave men not knowing what was waiting for them they knew they had job to do and they got on with it regardless, many of our brave sailers never returned to port R.I.P.
Our Farther failed his medical to enlist he was asked if he would volunteer to work at other U/K ports he did I Remember he said that he was sent to Leith docks to work on coal and cargo ships.
The amount of coal dust these men must have swallowed this dust stopped in there lungs for the rest of there lives we know how it affected our farther over the years they liked a pint or two maybe a few more can you blame them they had to clean there throats out some how.
I do hope I have not bored you to death as some would say,I do hope at leased some one will find some interesting reading about our hard working Goole Dockers and Seamen.

Regards N R
Posted by Corby Bunting at 23/04/2014 07:41
Hello Norman I was impressed by your posting covering the plight of the coal trimmers and all involved in the movement of coal from Goole If your father was also named Norman He possibly worked alongside my father and cousin Jim and also all these brave men
Sometime ago I wrote a tribute to these men.One still exists in the History groups "Norseman" magazine. There was an entry in the "Tom Pudding" page of this fine work. But has disappeared. Possibly in the Archives I also sent it to the Goole Times. but it never made their pagesIf you are interested in reading it please contact me
Incidently was your father involved in livering the Koduma.The Estonian ship which,whilst exiting the locks hit the opposite bank Then rolled over. Coal trimmers livered most of the cargo in huge baskets into barges.My cousin Jim was involved.He told me all involved were soaked to the skin in trying to save the cargo.The Ship was blown up and I remember hearing the huge explosion
Posted by Norman Roberts at 23/04/2014 10:35
Thanks Corby, our dad's name was Albert Ernest Roberts he worked most of time on the docks Trimming and at the brick shed in air street loading brick to railway wagons,they had a regular gang, and did not have to go pushing there books at the Forman searching for the best men to work the ship they had been allocated.
Our dad was known as Buck Wilson to his workmates have not got a clue why maybe because he had an allotment at the rear of Oxford Road with up to 100 Rabbits.
kind Regards N R
Posted by Tony Clyne at 23/04/2014 12:02
Hey Norman didn`t know your old man was a trimmer, when did he finish, I knew most of them in the early 60s do you know which gang he worked with. We used to pay half a crown each which went towards the kids Xmas party and the trimmers moved the ship up and down under the chute. The ships were pretty much self trimming then they only had to go in and pull the coal under the wings when the hold was getting full. They would tell us what time it would be finished and all we had to do was come back to batten down and wash down. On the Lancing we usually went to the 32, thats the one where the cement silos are now or No5 which is the preserved one near the museum they could both knock 2000 tons in in four and a half hours, didn`t allow much time at home, in on the morning tide back out on the night.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 23/04/2014 12:45
Hi Norman and Tony My dad retires in 1955 although the latter years he worked for Bennets as a checkerHe trimmed coal in the days when all would go home in their muck to the tin bath He worked with other relatives Jim and Bobby Bunting and Walter (Buster) Hattersley.Before them other relatives included William (Tash) Spenceley.Charlie Shipley,my Granddad Arthur Bunting and brother Richard.
What is this thing with coal trimmers and rabbits my dad had many plus his Step father Tash He also got me started when we moved to Malvern Rd. I had a good litle business going selling Belgian Hares and Flemish Giants for the table at 5/- each
Posted by Norman Roberts at 23/04/2014 22:17
T/ C and Corby, I had a job trying to find when dad retired I rang three of my sisters, I must have been on the phone a couple of hours and got nowhere we think it was roundabout 1969.
Corby, dads trimming gang was Leo And Jack Magivron I think the spelling could be wrong I can not remember any of the other blokes in the gang,Leo was the Forman I think he lived down Limetree Avenue.
T/C if you was on board when the gang went for a couple of pints dad was the one left on board looking after the fort he did not go with them, T/C if you ask if Ernest Roberts was on board they wouldn't know who you was talking about but if you said is Buck Wilson on board they would have said I he's he's down there shovelling,I had two brother-in-laws on the docks Jack Buck he worked the cranes and hoist tipping the coal Eddie Killgallon work-ed general cargo.
Corby we also had Hares there was all ways one hung in the coal house bit strong for me I also sold wallflower out of a wicker basket on Pasture Road what dad had grown at the allotment, it's nice to pass on memory's P/S my sisters would not eat the rabbits
Regards N R
Posted by Norman Roberts at 23/04/2014 23:23
T/C you made a comment about getting little time at home when the Boat was being loaded, I remember pop coming home he was as pleased as punch he came home and said we got the boat on the tide and it's going out on the next tide, it must have had many tons of coal below decks it was not like him to brag he said that it was the first time this had been done at Goole.
Did you know John Broadhead john sailed out of Goole on the butter boats he was my best man at my wedding I was his best man at his wedding,John sailed out of Goole early 1960 we was there at the opening of the seamans bar and digs,it was the last house in North Street I remember drinking Newcastle Brown Ale In pint bottles you didn't want many of them be for you was away with the mixer.
Regards N R
Posted by Corby Bunting at 24/04/2014 07:55
Hi Norman. At last we have someone in common John Broadhead Husband of my wife's cousin Pauline nee Risebury who was one of our bridesmaids at our wedding aged 9.We like Johnand always visit them when we come home.In fact I spoke to him last week. A great spoke of Newcastle Brown I recall going to a wedding in Barnard Castle when that brew was not seen in Goole everyone was pushing these bottles my way. Resulting in me losing two days of my life Powerful stuff
Back to the Rabbits to have the head given when eating Rabbit pie was a treat.Because you had the brain. When my sister Elsie got married we were invited to her new home for a meal.the meal was Rabbit Pie she thought she was doing me a favour by giving me the head.She had failed to remove the eyes.The sight of those big Blue eyes put me off Rabbit for some time
Posted by Tony Clyne at 24/04/2014 12:21
Norman I think what your dad was bragging about was getting a ship in and out on the same tide as most of the regular ships were in on one and out on the next, Lancing and Steyning ran to Brighton Gas Works at Portslade, running hard in winter doing three trips a fortnight we went six weeks without a night in port. Can`t place John, only Broadhead I can think of is Lawrence.
Posted by Bill at 24/04/2014 16:00
Corby, My relatives in the north-east used to eat cows', heels, pigs' trotters and tripe. But surely you are kidding us about eating rabbit heads and brains!!!!
Posted by Corby Bunting at 24/04/2014 16:51
Hi Bill.Don't tell me that you have never tied Sheeps/ Pigs head brawn Which the way m Dad made it included the Brain. when we gutted a rabbit we first removed the inards but kept the Heart and Liver The kidneys remained ithin the carcass of course. But the most important thing to remember was to remove the Gall Bladder from within the Liver or the whole dish would be spoiled.
I find nothing wrong with eating brains. In some countriesthey eat eyes. This I would draw the line at
Posted by Bill at 24/04/2014 18:20
Hi Corby, clearly your generation is made of sterner stuff than us squeamish softies. Best wishes, bill
Posted by Norman Roberts at 24/04/2014 20:25
T/C it must have been me dad wouldn't say they had done something if they did not, i must have got it wrong it was 50years ago,i know they did something special for him to talk about it.
T/C John was known as thatch cos of his blond hair you may have known by his nick name.
Corby in the early day I used to go to Crappers Butchers with a bowl to be filled with hot ducks absolutely fabulous, also as you said cow heel pigs trotters and chicklings don't forget tripe i would eat a couple of pound of tripe if was put in front of me,with plenty of vinegar and pepper on it,its unfortunate it don't like me P/S not all in the same bowl.
Regards N.R.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 25/04/2014 10:15
To Bill and Norman My Paternal side of the family were Norfolk immigrants who sought a better life. Being country folk and knew the ways of the land. Their knowledge was transmitted via my Grandfather who died at an early age through a Pulminary disease caused by the line of work he was not used to .Namely, Coal trimming. He was not alone for many other followed the same fate. My Dad picked up much of his fathers country knowledge although he was only 11 at the time of his Dads death.One thing stands out for example. He would go out Mushrooming and return with a haul of strange fungi. One in particular he called Bluestalks which were delicious. I have never been able to find the true name of this fungus.
So you see strange eating habits are not harmful We were a constant customer of the Tripe shops in Carlisle Street and Pasture Road. by the way you missed one out .Lovely Udder
Posted by Norman Roberts at 25/04/2014 12:21
Corby relating to blue storks, we arrived at our best spot checking no one was following,we hid our bikes in a dike crossed the fields this bird would take to the sky and make one hell of a noise,pop would say its a felfer or phelfer it's warning the farmer we are here,when we arrived at our spot the field was full of blue storks and I mean full,pop only had one customer for blue storks so we just got a few and left the rest another good mushroom hunter was Bill Oldridge and his son Mike bill was also a docker i can see Bill turning into Red Lion St off Pasture Rd with his bail hook hanging from his handle bars at dinner time I have to go now my dinners ready bye.
Regards N R
Posted by Norman Robert at 25/04/2014 14:31
Corby I acquired a bridge brass plaque belonging to the MV Sagacity a dry cargo boat built for FT Everards at Goole shipyard she was launch 1973.
When the yard closed apparently all stock was removed to Selby yard this plaque was sold along with a load of other old scrap when Selby yard closed,I bought it for safe keeping it was going to be sold at a car boot sale.
The boat had three other names ie Sagacitas Bahamas Risan N/Korea and Maya 1 Panama broken up 29-3-2011 the thing is the plaques dated 1972 only thing I can think of is that the boats launch was delayed and a replacement plaque was made, I loaned it to the Goole museum for there last shipping display,they made a good job displaying it,it will be past on ether to Goole or Waterways Museum,Goole museum displayed it well along with a very nice photo of the boat any ideas.
Regards N R
Posted by Corby Bunting at 26/04/2014 07:49
I don't know what to suggest on that one Norman
Memorabilia is a strange market Sometimes torn between sentiment and financial gain
Posted by Norman Roberts at 27/04/2014 09:00
Corby I wasn't interested in what the Plaque was worth it was the dates that confused me,why was the Plaque dated 1972 when the Boat's launch was 1973.
Thinking about it now it must have been a delay in the building of the boat,delaying the launch.
Tony my Great Great Grandfathers brother John Williamson was a seafarer in1851 he joined the Royal Navy and set sail for the Crimea on a ship called ( Tiger ).
during a battle of Sebastopol in thick fog the skipper ran aground the Russians took over the Tiger and renamed her (Tigar).
He lived on black bread and water for many months a prisoner,he was repatriated and rejoined the Royal Navy to be shipwrecked three times more the last time it was on the Goodwin Sands he was lucky to live through that one he returned back to Bridlington to restart his shoe making business he was shipwrecked more times then Uncle Albert on only fools and Horses.
P/S I was unable to find a list of the crews names of the ( Tiger ) it would have been nice to find out his status on board ship.
Regards N R
Posted by Tony Clyne at 04/05/2014 12:09
GARYand HAMISH hope you`re still there keeping a weather eye and good lookout, not much shipping about these days though.All the best Tony.
Posted by Hamish at 06/05/2014 01:47
Ahoy Tony ! Yes still here just keeping a weather eye on Scotlands independence vote coming up on SN among other things, will be over there and France in August but wont have the time to make it down to Goole
Posted by Tony Clyne at 08/05/2014 13:32
To all you knowledgeable people does any one know anything about the Lesrix sailing from Goole probably 1963 and sinking, any details?
Posted by Wilf Brown at 08/05/2014 19:29
Hi Tony have you tried putting MV Lesrix into Google? There quite a bit of information available. Regards Wilf.
Posted by Paul at 08/05/2014 21:55
Try shipsnostalgia.

Taken from there:-
"LESRIX 1960
Lesrix, Hull collier (owners J. R. Rix and Sons), 590 tons, lost with crew of nine in the English Channel (between Portland Bill and Start Point) on 31 Oct-1 Nov 1960, while taking a cargo of coal from Goole to Hayle, Cornwall. The casualties were:

Captain George Simison (master), aged 63, of Park Avenue, Hull.
William Thomas Hughes, aged 24, of Longfellow Road, Bootle.
John Henry Lee, aged 22, of Hull Road, Hessle.
George William Acey, aged 39, steward cook, of Priory Road, Hull.
Lewis Buchan Coull, aged 45, chief engineer, of Camelon Street, Thornaby-on-Tees.
Dudley Charles Priddle, aged 18, of Barbican Hill East, Looe, Cornwall.
Frederick Walter Furness, aged 34, second engineer, of Queensgate Street, Hull.
James Owens, of Carrickfergus, co. Antrim.
One other crewman unnamed.

No trace ever found of the skipper and one member of the crew.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 09/05/2014 12:09
Paul and Wilf, thanks for your replies, I did Google Lesrix after I had posted and found the information. I was asking in answer to a thread on SN about J.R.Rix & Co. ships. Thanks again T.C.
Posted by Paul at 09/05/2014 17:10
No doubt you will have discovered that J.R.Rix and Sons lost another vessel, SS.Lesrix in January 1942, shipwrecked at Hackley Head nr.Newburgh.
Posted by Glynne Hughes at 11/05/2014 00:38
Blue Stalks are also known as Wood Blewit, and are a species of filamentous fungus Clitocybe nuda.

Delicious, lots of flavour, unlike the tasteless button mushrooms sold by supermarkets.

Felfer is the dialect name for The Fieldfare (Turdus pilaris) which looks like a starling but is a member of the thrush family Turdidae. It breeds in woodland and scrub in northern Europe and Asia. It is strongly migratory, with many northern birds moving south during the winter. It is a very rare breeder in the British Isles, but winters in large numbers in the United Kingdom,
Posted by Corby Bunting at 11/05/2014 08:21
Hello Glynne Before I become accused of using tis page for Nature study an Culinary delights and not for its true intent. I more than anyone love to read about Ships and those who served in them.
However.the people who used this sight for memories are rapidly becoming thin on the ground.A sign of the times
To answer your question about Blue stalks. I am over the Moon to read your explanation.
As for Fieldfares They flourish in an area close to where I live in the New Forest and can be seen on what was once Beauleu airfield
A now disused War time area now named Stockley. When I first saw them I assumed that they were Mistle Thrush but was put right by the many experts which visit.
My apologies to those few who look for Ships only on this page
Posted by Tony Clyne at 11/05/2014 12:08
Apology accepted Corby, I had the same feeling when we were talking about pubs a while back,hope you`re keeping well darn sarf, LOL all the best TC.
Posted by Gary Worton at 11/05/2014 15:30
Hi guys;
Re: M.V. Lesrix. I sailed on her for three weeks in June 1959. Joined in Goole and paid-off in Blyth.
The unnamed crew member who was lost was probably the Mate, Frank Cooper who had previously been Mate on some of the AHL ships; notably the Byland Abbey.
I seem to recall reading about it in the local paper at the time.
Hope this fills in a blank.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 12/05/2014 11:56
Gary, according to wreck report James Owens was mate, I have some thoughts, will send e.mail see what you think.TC
Posted by Paul at 12/05/2014 20:57
The Board of Trade report into the loss of the Lesrix was inconclusive mentioning the possibility of a mine,a collision and possible problem with the hatch(es). Seemed to discount cargo movement. Any theories?
Posted by Tony Clyne at 14/05/2014 12:03
Paul, I think it will remain a mystery, like me you seem to have read through the BoT report, according to Niton Radio there was no distress call, weather wasn`t bad only force 3 or 4 and visability good to fair in drizzle, so there doesn`t seem to be any outcome.
Posted by John Rocktt at 19/05/2014 20:04
Could Wendy Owen contact me regarding The Grace family
Posted by Karen at 28/05/2014 08:07
Hi Karen, my great grandfather was a sea captain in Goole up until 1955 sailing the Don and many other ships so I may be able to help you re the painting. Julie
Posted by karen at 28/05/2014 08:10
My email is Julie
Posted by Gary Worton at 29/05/2014 01:43
Change of subject and pace, as we seem to be getting bogged down with items unrelated to ships and the men who used to crew them.
I recently read an item from the 'Hull Daily Mail', which covers all of the East Riding, including Goole.
Apparently, three crew members of a German ship which was berthed in West Dock became ill and were rushed to hospital, where they unfortunately died. Tragic as it is, it raises an issue dear to us all - ex merchant seamen that is - as to what has become of the merchant navy that we once knew?
We do not know the cause of this tragic incident as yet but it does raise the question of why a German ship was crewed by Phillipinos (two of the three casualties were from that country)
Pretty much like the British MN today, where crews are drawn from many third world countries; not least of all because they will work for peanuts and are not bound by 'union rules', and the shipowners get a free pass on paying taxes and such.
C'est la vie, some things never change.
Posted by Neil Bishop at 29/05/2014 11:42
Hi there
Whilst researching my family tree I found out that my wife's great great great grandad was Captain John Hunt of Knottingley and he owned an 80 ton Schooner "John & Mary" Reg 47127 registered in Goole in 1880/90 built in 1864. (I assume named after him and his wife Mary Hunt nee Parker)
Can anyone tell me more about this boat or where I might find info or a photo of it?

Many thanks
Posted by Tony Clyne at 29/05/2014 13:04
Hi Gary, nice to see your name on the board again, ref. Suntis, nothing on todays Hull Mail page that I get on email but Goole Times is out today, may be more details in that, will let you know when I get it.
Posted by george robinson at 09/06/2014 10:01
its me again george robinson about an old A.H.L ship I was on it was early to mid 60s definitely sailed from goole it might have been to antwerp or amsterdam just got my first passport am now 70 so want to go to where it sailed I know its a long shot could anyone help please
Posted by Bill at 09/06/2014 12:48
Hello Gary, further to your post of 29/5. There is a book by Captain Bernard Evans (SOS Men Against the Sea) which (on pages196/7) gives a very succinct and worrying description of the state of the crews and vessels involved in merchant shipping today. Too long to quote here but it explains the irresistible attraction of the financial savings to ship owners of using flags of convenience. And the dangers of using crews and officers with forged credentials and no common language. I came to know of Captain Evans when researching my dad's war history. He (Evans) wrote another book called Attack and Sink which describes the U boat attack on Convoy SC42 (my dad was on board Thistleglen). Bernard Evans is a good and knowledgeable writer on merchant navy subjects who I can recommend strongly.
Posted by Margaret Audas at 13/06/2014 00:53
Tony Clyne & Norman Roberts. The old brewery at West Cowick was Hartley's. I worked there just after leaving school mid 50's. It was as you say taken over by Hull Brewery from Hartleys. Hope you and your families are both o.k. Benidorm is HOT.
Posted by Martin Smith at 22/06/2014 15:48
FAO George Robinson

AHL services from Goole/Hull as follows -as you see there was no Goole-Antwerp sailing -the AHL Antwerp service was from Hull - so more likely Rotterdam or Amsterdam.

1935 - 1939 : Goole to German, Dutch and Belgian Ports.

1935 - 1939 : Goole to some French Ports with southern limit at Bordeaux.

1946 - 1964 : Goole to Rotterdam and Amsterdam.

1946 - 1965 : Goole to Copenhagen and Bremen.

1946 - 1967 : Hull to Amsterdam, Bremen and Hamburg.

1946 - 1971 : Hull to Antwerp and Rotterdam.
Posted by Hamish at 22/06/2014 16:36
I beg to differ on the Antwerp sailings,early 50's ,Goole to Antwerp and Ghent, although we did stop in at Hull on the return trip for an overnight stay.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 22/06/2014 17:51
Hi Hamish and Martin, nice to be back talking about ships, sorry Martin but I`m with Hamish on this. Early 60s Leeds and Wakefield did Antwerp from Goole , I was on both of them, Ghent was also on this run but very seldom went, Harrogate Darlington and Selby ran two on Rotterdam and one Amsterdam can`t remember which did Amsterdam, Whitby and Fountains Bremen and Hamburg, Byland and Kirkham Copenhagen and York Copenhgen beer run or relieving. German and Antwerp ships sometimes stopped at Hull on return, only sailings from Hull were Melrose and Bolton to Rotterdam. T.C
Posted by Tony Clyne at 23/06/2014 12:11
Hi, me again, I never went to Ghent but remember seeing York in lock for Ghent when we were on our way up to Antwerp. T.C.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 24/06/2014 12:56
Hi Gary,hope you`re still out there, sorry but looking back through postings I never got back to you about MV Suntis, it was reported in the Goole Times that they died through lack of oxygen, working in a confined space with a depleted oxygen supply. Fully agree with your comment on saving the pennies. Health people put out a warning to employers about people working in these conditions. Reminded me of tank diving on BP Tankers but we only did quarter of an hour then up for a tot. Bye T.C .
Posted by Martin Smith at 24/06/2014 17:58
Hello Gents

I give way to you on this one -it was a lift off the AHL wikipedia page. But I do recall that after 1968 most of the Goole routes closed and moved to Hull. Certainly the last AHL sailings in 1971 were from Hull to Antwerp and Rotterdam - the Leeds making the last Antwerp trip and the Melrose Abbey the last Rotterdam trip - end of November 1971.

As an aside I aquired a great find a few weeks ago -a 4 1/2 foot scratch model of the MV Kirkham Abbey from an Antique dealer in Hull - found in a lock up so dont know who made it- am setting about its restoration following decades of negelct.
Posted by Hamish at 01/07/2014 03:15
Ahoy Gary sorry for the time lag but the writing was on the wall(excuse the pun) way back in the early fifties regarding crew changes, I remember joining my first BTC tanker in Falmouth the British Reliance, and written in "Weld" on the cross beams outside every crew members cabin was the legend ,occupancy, two whites, six Lascars, we of course said it would never happen, but happen it did, only the numbers were wrong because of ships size and lower manning numbers, and it is still happening until one day you will see "uncrewed"ships
Posted by Gary Worton at 07/07/2014 00:40
Hi guys:
Just back from a week in Florida. It was MARVELOUS.
Also had the opportunity to visit with another ex-Goolie for a day. A guy by the name of John Myers, who used to live on Western Road (or should I say Rooad). He now lives in Bellaire, just south of Clearwater, on the Gulf of Mexico side.
He was my eldest son's best buddy growing up in Goole in the late sixties, early seventies (still is).
Anyone who recognizes the name can get contact info from me via this site.
Sorry about the deviation from shipping issues but what the heck?
The Red Ensign still remains supreme!
Posted by Hamish at 08/07/2014 15:15
Speaking of ensigns Gary ,Captain Collier on the "Aire" flew the RNR pennant every time we entered port, what was the history of that,does anyone know?
Posted by WILLIAM WARD at 09/07/2014 16:45
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Posted by Tony Clyne at 10/07/2014 12:21
Hamish, both Capt. Colliers were RNR and when I was on the AHL ships they flew the Blue Ensign instead of the regular Red Duster, when one of them was on the York he attracted the attention of the Ruskie Navy around the Baltic area. T.C.
Posted by Hamish at 10/07/2014 15:38
Greetings Tony ! I don't recall the RNR flag being flown in place of the duster, but in addition to it, the duster was always back aft while the blue ensign was in the bow or on a halyard amid ships,but my question really was ,why did these gents have the privilege to fly it ? Not because they were RNR
Posted by Gary Worton at 10/07/2014 23:16
Regarding the blue ensign v the red ensign issue, it is my understanding that any ship whose captain or crew members were either ex-RN or RNVR, was entitled to fly the blue ensign.
Especially if they served in a war time situation.
It merely signified that there were personnel aboard who had served in both the RN and the MN.
Two examples I can bring to mind were the Orontes of the Orient Line and the Escalante of the Royal Mail Line. Both flew the blue ensign; with pride, I may add.
Posted by Hamish at 11/07/2014 04:17
Ahoy Gary!! I think there was more to it than that! just being an ex member did not give one the entitlement(except for Canadian senate members, sense of entitlement I mean)I sailed with a couple of High ranking RNVR masters, and in fact Elders and Fyffe's(?) were mostly manned on the upper deck by ex RN Gadgies and none of them flew the Jack, and I doubt it would have been flown in place of the duster! But will keep digging, cheers H
Posted by Hamish at 12/07/2014 04:17
Me Again!! Just had a request via SN for some history on the "Hebble" of AHL vintage, the question was- how come the Hebble shows very little seatime for the year 1948? was she layed up. boiler trouble or et all?? Any one of you Goolie historians Know??
Posted by Paul at 12/07/2014 18:46
AHL Wikipedia re the Hebble. "Grounded off River Elbe in February 1947 and suffered rudder and propellor damage." Being recovered and repaired into 1948?
Posted by Hamish at 13/07/2014 15:45
Thanks Paul! That helps
Posted by Transportman at 13/07/2014 18:36
Hi Hamish, re Hebble delayed at Hamburg with ice damage 27 February to 4 May 1947. Sailed as normal until 4 June 1948 laid up at Goole, resumed sailing 1 January 1949
Posted by Hamish at 14/07/2014 16:30
Thanks Transportman, have passed on your info cheers H
Posted by Hamish at 14/07/2014 16:34
Ahoy Gary! Take a look at my post on SN re the blue flag, got some great replies and the whole thing explained, entitlement, etc etc cheers H
Posted by Tony Clyne at 15/07/2014 12:42
Hi there Hamish, read all comments on SN, very interesting and like you say in your last posting I think that`s answered all your queries, keep flying the flag cheers T.C.
Posted by Gary Worton at 17/07/2014 01:33
Hi guys, re: the blue ensign issue. I did not see your SN input Hamish, but I did look it up on Wikipedia, and was surprised to see who is actually entitled to fly the blue ensign.
Yacht clubs for example, from all over the globe.
However, my initial posting seems to bear me out that, regarding merchant navy ships, it was mostly the percentage of crew members ( Captain and officers mainly) who were ex RN or serving members of the RNR.
Look it up guys, just click on Wikipedia and punch in 'blue ensign'.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 17/07/2014 12:33
September 1955 Fountains Abbey suffered serious engine failure while on route Goole to Amsterdam, had to be towed into Yarmouth then on to Grimsby for repairs. Anybody know what the failure was or anything else about the incident
Posted by Hamish at 18/07/2014 15:17
Ahoy Gary! First a word of caution,Wikipedia is notoriously inaccurate and subject to the personal opinions of the poster!And as to having a "set" number of crew to be able to fly the said flag, I think that would be a very hard thing to do on AHL,I know back in my day (early fifties)the deck and engineroom staff (firemen) had new faces just about every trip,mostly established pool members(like me) who were forced to take them.and to make a point, how many "crew"would you have on a private yacht?Yet they are allowed to fly it as long as they are flying the clubs burgee
Posted by Hamish at 22/07/2014 22:52
Anyone got any info on the "Don" hitting pack ice on a trip to Copenhagen, and having her Prop? Rudder? damaged, being repaired in Malmo circa 1956
Posted by Tony Clyne at 23/07/2014 13:07
Hi Hamish, I`m waiting to catch Barry Krebbs regards my posting Fountains Abbey, he was with AHL at the time, fetched one of the ships new from Aberdeen so he might know about Fountains and Don, keep in touch T.C.
Posted by Hamish at 23/07/2014 15:27
Thanks Tony
Posted by Tony Clyne at 23/07/2014 18:54
To Transportman, re my post 17/07/2014 just answered Avalon on SN see you beat me to it. Is Barry Krebs your uncle or someone else who was on the ship T.C.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 24/07/2014 11:54
Seems to me we want to be going back to having postings verified before they are visible
Posted by Corby Bunting at 24/07/2014 22:17
The Ships page has long been the main source of information mainly because being a Port most people know or are related to mariners and the ships they loved . Followed by stories which we loved to read about. Of late posts were a little thin on the ground.but gradually brgan to pick up through Hamish and co.
So now.Out of the far blue yonder we are been invaded by the American contingent? Are they really genuine posts. These Cool people who do not specify any story in particular?
Posted by G Worton at 24/07/2014 23:32
I hear you Corby. I can't figure out who these losers are either. but somehow they have invaded this web-site with stuff that bears no resemblance whatsoever to what it is supposed to be.
Time for a clean up!
Meanwhile, keep posting guys.
Posted by Stuart Webmaster at 25/07/2014 01:57
Aargh - too much spam again! Usually it's automatically hidden. I'll put this page back to being moderated for a short while. They usually go away.

I only check the site every few days so be patient.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 25/07/2014 11:31
Hamish, not seen Barry yet and can`t contact him he`s not in phone book. See Gary and Corby agree about the spam hope it works Stuart.T.C.
Posted by Hamish at 25/07/2014 16:07
Ahoy Tony! Avalon on SN is the guy I am trying to find out about the "Dons "skirmish for, I wonder?
Posted by Transportman at 25/07/2014 19:25
Hi Tony. No. My uncle was Frank Schultz. left AHL ships 1958, sailed on BEA ships then Port Line, Hogarth's and Esso.
Posted by Gary Worton at 28/07/2014 01:39
Hi Stuart;
I see you managed to get rid of the spam scammers: Perhaps we can get down to business as usual again.
Let's hear it for the web man. Yeah!
Posted by Tony Clyne at 28/07/2014 11:45
Hamish, I was looking on SN and came across Fountains Abbey, that`s what I was answering, both Transportman and I replied but so far he`s not come back. Go on SN key F.Abbey in search forums youi will see what we were on, didn`t see anything about Don but will have a look. Cheers T.C.
Posted by Hamish at 30/07/2014 00:39
Ahoy Tony! A guy going by the name avlon sent me a private E mail via SN, asking about the Don and pack ice, he signed his name as Phil, but unfortunately I know Knowt about it, (unless you guys can help me get an answer for him)Cheers H
Posted by Tony Clyne at 30/07/2014 11:56
Agree Gary, Well done Stuart. T.C.
Posted by Gary Worton at 31/07/2014 19:01
Oops! Looks like I spoke too soon guys.
Posted by Stuart (Webmaster) at 02/08/2014 22:33
Hopefully the spam is now under control! I'll tempt fate by leaving the page unmoderated while I'm away on holiday(!)

Some of the more astute readers noticed that the What's New page was incorrectly including the spam feedback in the 'most recent feedback' list. This should now work as expected and the dates should be more realistic
Posted by george robinson at 03/08/2014 21:15
just got back from isle of white and looked at your web
site re old ahl ship i was on it was the whitby abbey got pictures of it from search for old ships thanks for the help now have to save up for amsterdam trip thanks for the help
Posted by tom waterland at 19/09/2014 18:52
like to hear from any of my old shipmates that sailed on ahl from goole my first ship was the derne in the 1950s ended upbeing the bosun on the Whitby abbey til 1964
Posted by Gary Worton at 20/09/2014 01:13
Eh-up Tom, Glad to see that you are still on the scene.
How's the Byland Abbey sound? Bos'n Ken Hammond; George Woof (AB); Len Jones (AB); George Wright (AB); George Coggan (MM); Dennis Toulan (MM); plus many more too numerous to mention at this point.
Thom Westerdale, Captain; Aberdan Harry, 2nd Mate; Joe Drury, Chief Steward, Ace Fielder and Maurice Taun, Asst Stewards.
Can't recall anybody else at this point but there are many many more from all departments, who will come to mind at the most unlikely times.
These were all circa 1959/61 by the way.
Anyway Tom, that's enough to be going on with so I'll sign off and hope to hear from you in due course.
See ya!
Posted by Tony Clyne at 20/09/2014 12:26
Hi Tom remember me taking you, Eunice,Dave Hoggard and his wife to a caravan at Brid. it belonged to the motorman from Skellow`s parents. You was `t bosun when I was with you but I think it was the Whitby, like Gary says there are loads of names come to mind Paddy Boyland was captain I think he only slowed down round Middle Whitton when coming up to Goole. If you look back at mine and Gary`s posts on this page there are lots of names you`ll remember. Cheers T.C.
Posted by tom waterland at 21/09/2014 13:16
hi gary nice to hear from you im still going strong I often think about the good old days at sea glad your ok
Posted by tom waterland at 21/09/2014 13:25
hi tony good to hear from you I do remember going to brid the seagulls dancing with clogs on on the roof of th caravan sadly I lost Eunice 11yrs ago but ive married again tw
Posted by Tony at 23/09/2014 09:37
T/C did you get the photo I sent you if so what do you think of it.
regards N/R
Posted by NORMAN R. at 23/09/2014 09:48
T/C disregard the Obove sorry got you as the sender I e/mailed you a photo of the whit parade with T/Traders in view we was probably the drivers hope you received it.
Regards NORMAN R.
Posted by Hamish at 26/10/2014 16:32
Ahoy Shipmates and fellow Goolies, has everyone gone to ground? Haven't seen any posts for a long time! I am posting to find out if two of my erstwhile shipmates are still on the right side of the grass,Pedro GRHS used to keep me informed, but with his untimely demise, I am now in the dark,The fellows in question names are Billy Guy, and George Cannon, Billy was a coasting man (and native Goolie)who quit the sea and became a docker in Goole,where as George "the gun" Cannon stayed at sea I think all his working life, and with a few sojourns on the coast ,stayed I believe deep sea , I sailed with him on the Aire and the Blythe (for very short periods).Anyone know these guys, and who could give me any info on their well being, I know from my last missive from Pedro ,that Billy was under the weather, but that was a long time ago, thanks in advance H
Posted by Gary Worton at 28/10/2014 22:41
I hear you Hamish, things have been a little slow of late. However, there have been postings recently from some of the old crowd and even some new ones.
Regarding your old buddies Guy and Cannon, I have no idea. Time passes so fast. Perhaps Tony (Cline) can shed some light on their current status.
I understand that most of the old crowd (or what's left of them) still hang around at Witherspoons pub, which used to be the Midland Bank. Just over the road from the old George.
I know that I bumped into a couple of them on my last visit some five years ago.
I remember speaking to Dennis McCone, with whom I sailed on the Kirkham Abbey, back in 1961/62.
Ex shipmate Tom Waterland recently posted on this site also (Byland Abbey circa 1959/60). And so it goes on.
Incidentally Tony (Cline), you mentioned Dave Hoggard in one of your recent posts; I just wondered if you still happen to be in contact with him, as we were close friends even after leaving the sea. We used to sink a couple of pints together in the Peacock Hotel many moons ago; when Sid and Rosie Raywood were 'mine hosts'; a far cry from what it is today by all accounts.
Anyways, I will sign off now and hope to hear from you guys later, or anyone else who was in the mix back in the day.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 29/10/2014 13:21
Hamish and Gary, nice to see you haven`t jumped ship Iv`e checked the phone book for names but nothing comes up, two or three Guys in Goole but initials don`t tally, last mention of George was way back on this page that he had moved out Hornsea way. I used to see Dave Hoggard here in the village walking his dog, he lived in Howden then but that was a few years ago, same phone book search applies only one Hoggard locally but L.C. Incidently I shared a cabin with Dave on the Whitby Abbey. Oh by the way Hamish did you get to France and Scotland in August. I`ll see if I can find any more info on Billy, George and Dave. Bye for now T.C.
Posted by Hamish at 29/10/2014 18:33
Ahoy Tony!! Yes, I got to the beaches in France and had a very enjoyable day in St Marlo. Big change from the first time I was there in 1949, back then it was just an empty ring, a thick stone wall around the town and the allies had bombed the crap out of ithe centre, all the action (pubs, shops etc) were in the wall quite a lively little place under the circumstances, now it is all rebuilt, using old stone etc to keep it looking like the right era, but it is the usual tourist trap everything at high prices.Also made it to the allied beaches and got to go into Canada house, that is the house you see on the D day films taken from the allied landing craft, and the weather was very good in france, however that changed once we got thru the chunnel in fact when we arrived in Glasgow one would think it was the dead of winter,one thing you do get over there is weather!!On the day of the worlds on Glasgow green the wind was howling, and the rain was coming down sideways, and it only stopped long enough to change direction, but all in all ,we had a great time(one only gets wet on the inside in a pub)and a good flight home from Edinburgh (found a great pub on the end of Leith Walk)where we spent a couple of days,now I have to stay home and save up to pay for it all, but that's life? cheers H
Posted by Philip Cone at 13/11/2014 20:53
Does any of you old sea dogs from Goole or Hull know why A.H.L.'s chartered VEDETTE for about 3 years in the late 1950's? I know at this time a lot of the older ships were being sold off but new ones were coming into service.
Posted by Martin Smith at 15/11/2014 14:47

I have a book about the history of AHL and that in the 1950's "to keep a regular service" that AHL chartered Beeks of Groningen for the Hull-Rotterdam service - the ships mentioned are MV Valiant (Capt Meulen), MV Viscount, MV Velox and MV Victress - I assume the Verdette was sister of these ?
The charters were arranged by T.Kettlewell and Son (T.E.K) in Hull.

They also chartered MV Lubergem and MV Hybergem for the Goole-Dutch service.

I think it was a question that trade was good and the existing fleet could not cope.
Posted by Philip Cone at 16/11/2014 10:35
Many thanks for your reply, it was of great interest.
Posted by Hamish at 16/11/2014 17:15
Greetings! Re AHL, I am still of the believe that AHL missed the boat(excuse the pun) on the container business,they were in it in a very "Baby" way back in the early 50's,before containerisation was even thought of, on the "Butter" Boats, and a couple of times on the Amsterdam run we would load large square preloaded boxes and secure them to ringbolts on deck, then on arrival in Goole these "Boxes" would be off loaded to their own small rail wagons, which I believe were the property of the LMS(as were the Boxes (containers))the dockers didn't like them,they couldn't get into them, and they said they were taking away jobs. But maybe that was the reason for no follow up on preloaded shipments, the companies didn't, or wouldn't, risk a full blown dock strike, as I said this was in the very early 50,s, what happened later I don't know and my apologies if AHL did in fact get into containers
Posted by Martin Smith at 17/11/2014 18:38
They did -but too late - the Melrose and Bolton Abbey had there derricks removed in 1967 and were lengthened by over 50 feet to support containerisation and also the cargo only boats Leeds and Wakefield were also converted for containers. However too little too late with the arrival of North Sea Ferries RORO boats Norwind and Norwave in 1965 - they swept the board seeing off AHL in 1971/2 and Ellermans for that matter by 1975.
Posted by Peter Hill at 17/11/2014 21:33
Very interested to read the exchanges re AHL and the container revolution. Particularly interested in Martin Smith's reference to the the history of AHL. Details of title, author, publisher etc would be much appreciated.gds.
Posted by Hamish at 18/11/2014 00:38
The point I was bringing up was that AHL had it by the tail, if they had only had some foresight in the early fifties, albeit, only on a tiny scale, one or two small preloaded "boxes"but somebody somewhere was thinking along the right lines, as the "boxes were water tight, had all the eyebolts etc to secure them on deck, and also on the railcars , on which they just fit, of course hindsight is always 20/20 and its too late now, but thanks for the comeback now I know they did try
Posted by Roger Potts at 20/11/2014 20:21
Hi any readers I have been undertaking some of my family history and have discovered that the 19th century sail maker in Goole, Charles Carr was my great, great grandfather. Charles Carr's daughter Kate Carr was my great grandmother. I should be grateful to receive any information anyone may have on Charles Carr. Roger Potts.
Posted by Martin Smith at 21/11/2014 16:59
Peter - there are two publications out there about AHL -booklets really but full of information. They are the "The Lanky's" -the Story of Goole Steam Shipping Company and Associated Humber Lines - by Gilbert Barley - GSS was a founding line of AHL and from which AHL drew its funnel colours. The other booklet is titled "AHL" by Ted Wild and Gilbert Barley. Both were published as part of the Marshland Local history series in the 1980's? - about 50 pages in all full of good AHL info/anecdotes and photos courtesy of Charlie Hill.They are long out of print but the former one crops up on E bay quite often but the latter seems much rarer -Goole museum/libraries may have copies - there is an address give about ordering the booklets but i understand it is long out of date.
Posted by Peter Hill at 22/11/2014 13:49
Very many thanks. I will try to track one - or both - of the publications down.
Posted by Martin Smith at 22/11/2014 14:52
Posted by Philip Cone at 22/11/2014 20:53
Looking back at recent postings I note my own of 13th November 2014 has been changed from 1950s? to 1950's? Perhaps the person that changed it should have studied more at some of the English classes referred to at Goole on the Web, Schools.
Posted by Gary Worton at 26/11/2014 01:22
I have no knowledge of any of the folks you mentioned regarding the Carr clan. However, I sailed on the Kirkham Abbey a couple of times between 1959/61 and the Bo's'n was Billy Carr. He was an AHL man through and through and was on the Kirkham from the day she was launched till the day she was taken out of service. He was as well known in Copenhagen as he was in Goole.
There may be a family connection in there somewhere.
I believe he was awarded an MBE for his services.
This posting is intended for Roger Potts; I forgot to mention this at the start of this message. Must be the age thing I guess!
Hope this helps with your research
Posted by Bill Stewart at 26/11/2014 11:57
Hi Philip, misplaced apostrophes really annoy me too. Good on you for raising it. It is depressing that even some of the stuff I get from 'professional' organisations like banks and solicitors look like they have been written by someone semi illiterate. Also people not bothering or realising that they are using a US spellchecker. I could go on! Bill
Posted by Martin Smith at 26/11/2014 16:49

The booklet is also on e-bay but somewhat cheaper.

Martin Smith
Posted by Roger Potts at 26/11/2014 19:30
Hi Gary thanks for the information. Roger Potts.
Posted by Larry at 30/11/2014 19:12
This site is an invaluable asset on the WWW and I have enjoyed looking at the various threads.
Please does anybody have an information on the Airmyn Ferryboat disaster of February 1922 and/or a character called Keadby Jack who once swam the River Trent in a full suit of armour carrying an anvil under each arm?
Posted by Gary Worton at 03/12/2014 00:25
Hey Larry, what are you smoking these days?
Most postings have a semblance of reason, but yours makes no sense at all.
This knight in shining armour who swims rivers carrying large cast iron objects under his arms seems a little too much to swallow; even for us simple country bumpkins.
Could you please elucidate?
Posted by Hamish at 04/12/2014 17:32
That's easy to explain Gary.That was one of the crew off the old Blisworth ,which was on the scrap run to Keel in the late forties, and said crew member, who had imbibed a tad too much in Melodies on a market day, decided to broach a little cargo and try sell it in Lincolnshire
Posted by Trevor Stevenson at 05/12/2014 16:06
Hoping someone can help with some information. My great uncle Philip John Whale served on the YOKEFLEET. In 1941 he shot down a German plane off Norfolk and was later awarded the MBE. I'm trying to find out more information about the incident or anything else which would have resulted him in getting this medal. Many thanks!!
Posted by Tony Clyne at 13/12/2014 12:15
To Gary, Hamish and your families and all readers and contributors to the Ships page A Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous New Year. I hope the interaction continues though there`s not much coming up on the tide these days,ALL BEST, T.C
Posted by Hamish at 13/12/2014 18:00
Ahoy Tony!! Seasons greetings and all the best for the new year, and to all Goolies, Lang May Yer Lums Reek!!
Posted by Gary Worton at 15/12/2014 00:18
I echo your sentiments Tony and would like to hear more from some of the other casual posters, in addition to the usual crew.
I am sure that there are many more who could add to the general mix of things; so come on guys, get out the old discharge books and try to recall a few of the old reprobates with whom we used to share cabins.
Meanwhile, have a very merry Christmas and a Happy New Year Tony, Hamish and anyone else who happens to stumble upon this excellent link to the past.
Posted by Harold Rhodes at 18/12/2014 15:36
I have just discovered details of My Uncle "Harold Ambler Thompson" death by drowning in September 1943 in Barge Dock Goole. He was identified as a Merchant Seaman aged 19. I know through family discussions that he was lame in one leg and this probably contributed to his death. I would be interested in any information on his Ship(s) or from anyone who might have sailed with him. Thanks
Posted by Gary Worton at 25/12/2014 05:02
Ho Ho Ho!
So, has the big guy been yet? We're still waiting for him as we are five hours behind you guys.
Just coming up midnight here and we just got home from my son's place, where we enjoyed a few cool ones and some snacks.
I must admit that I'm feeling no pain at this point but that could change in a few hours. Thank God for Tylenol.
Anyway folks, all the best to you and yours.
Talk to you all later.
Posted by Dawn Holmes at 30/12/2014 16:38
My 4th great grandfather John Hinchcliffe born 1812 Paull was a sailor in the 1851 Census living 10 Back George Street, Goole, by 1861 he was a Sea Master on the Tynemouth with his wife Elizabeth. In 1871 he was a Master on the "Lucknow" Kilnhurst Canal - Bargeman, Coal Trade. Can anyone find him in the 1841 Census? I have gone all through Ancestry and cannot find him or his wife and family any where! He died 18th June in the Union Workhouse, Hook. Sad end to his life. Would love to find any other information if anyone can help?
Posted by Dawn Holmes at 30/12/2014 16:52
My 4th great grandfather John Hinchcliffe born 1812 Paull was a sailor in the 1851 Census living 10 Back George Street, Goole, by 1861 he was a Sea Master on the Tynemouth with his wife Elizabeth. In 1871 he was a Master on the "Lucknow" Kilnhurst Canal - Bargeman, Coal Trade. Can anyone find him in the 1841 Census? I have gone all through Ancestry and cannot find him or his wife and family any where! He died 18th June in the Union Workhouse, Hook. Sad end to his life. Would love to find any other information if anyone can help?
Posted by Gary Worton at 03/01/2015 22:07
Happy New Year to all and sundry.
Keep the postings coming.
Sooner or later you will score.
Posted by Hamish at 04/01/2015 17:54
And the very best to you Gary, and to all Goolies, and "Lang May Yer Lums Reek". I have not seen Cory Bunting posting for a while, hope the "auld Fella" is still fat and happy, his Goole people history is very entertaining, and brings back fond memories of times gone bye (bye) Ah, them were the days,I wish I still had the option of jumping on the bus from Cross Gates to Goole just to find out what was signing at the pool office, or should I say lingering furtively outside the door round the corner, and quizzing the bods coming out of said office to see if I should stick around or legg it back home for another day
Posted by Corby Bunting at 04/01/2015 20:11
Hi Hamish Always glad to see your posts I now prefer to take a back seat and observe Rather than possibly cause offence
You may have seen on the Entertainments page a mention of Tommy Dunwell. Who it appears is also an observer. I feel sure you must know him as he also sailed with George Cannon,Billy Guy and others of that era who I also knew Perhaps we may coax him out for his valuable input to this page

Auld Fella
Posted by Sam Grannon at 10/01/2015 14:30
Hi Lads new to your site but have put some photos of Fendyke in dry dock. I worked at Drypool Engineering in Hull and worked with a lot of lads from Goole. Fred Langton riveter what a nice man to work with, also Harry Gill riveter is he still on the go, Bill Cross riveter, is he still on the go, George blacker nice man to work with, I know he passed away. also know Frank Hartlington is Frank still on the go sam grannon Hull
Posted by Hamish at 11/01/2015 22:24
Greetings Corby! Glad to hear you are still on the right side of the Grass, was getting a bit worried, as some of you Goolies pop off and never say a word, which leaves a big hole in nostalgic history, aka Pedro who was a very sad loss and a mine of info of ships and men! No I don't think I ran across the fellow you mention, I know for a fact I never sailed with him,the trouble with the old days was one never really got to know anyone by their full name, it was always a nickname which sticks in ones mind, so unless a ships name is mentioned it is hard to put a name to a face,I sailed with George Cannon(the gun)but I never did sail with Billy Guy, I knew him well because on the colliers we were running to the same ports, so I bumped into him quite often, and he could do a fair rendition of Frankie Lane in the pubs which would glean us a few pints, as I said them were the days!!
Posted by Corby Bunting at 12/01/2015 13:23
Hello Hamish. most of the men of our era joined the MN via the Alt or the Don. Ed Pollard who used to use this site, followed by his brother Warwick worked on the Hebble, Irwell and Hodder. Before moving on to Cunard and P&O Whilst playing Cricket.Warwick passed away quiet young. I used to email Ed and Pedro direct as we had lots in common.I found out about Pedros demise within hours. It was 15 months after Ed's death at his home in New Jersey before I found out from his wife. At our time our life, the Black Tie is now becoming the dress code and sadly we have to be prepared to live with it
Posted by Pearce at 15/01/2015 00:45
Hello - looking for info on my great-uncle, AB Seaman Neil Buchanan accidentally drowned - Goole. Sorry no date. Many thanks if you have anything.
Posted by Pearce at 15/01/2015 00:51
Hello again - also looking for info on my great uncle, Donald Buchanan - accidentally killed on board ship - Antwerp. Many thanks again.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 15/01/2015 11:59
Hi guys, MEMORIES, was watching a detective program on TV last night, part of it was filmed in Copenhagen, shots of the big cobbled square which I believe was near the palace and Nyhavn, didn`t look like it did fifty odd years ago, full of yachts like a marina. Bye for now T.C.
Posted by Hamish at 16/01/2015 16:26
Cor stone the crows Pearce, with a history like that I don't think anyone would want to know your rellies, sailing with them as Corby mentioned in his post would be a permanent black tie affair
Posted by Hamish at 22/01/2015 20:33
Ahoy!! Have all your steam driven tripe setters froze up,or have you all gone to ground?Not much action anyhoo!! I was one that didn't get my start with AHL Corby, I did the Gravesend sea school bit, then signed on the Blisworth a coasting tramp, in Goole in 1949, first trip to Keel for scrap then back to Goole, I didn't much care for the AHL boats altho I did a few trips in them, O suppose they were ok for the locals, but to be given time off in lue of overtime pay was not much good to a lad from "away", and the only money one could make was to sell your bond, or smuggle watches, both risky with "Himmler" on watch, so I tried to stick to colliers when I wasn't deep sea, and as you know the colliers were O/T crazy, but hey you were away from home you might as well work.When I joined the Don I took the place of an AB from goole who joined a palm boat, I heard a little later he had died, he fell out of a palm tree somewhere in the hot climes, but his name escapes me, I not only got his berth, but on arrival in Copenhagen his girlfriend came looking for him, so there were a few perks on AHL but very few Cheers H
Posted by Corby Bunting at 22/01/2015 22:37
Ahoy Hamish It was a pleasure reading the account of your early life in your chosen career In 1949 I left school and had to make a decision Not having much advice from my Dad .Only that a job was available on one of Bennets ships The Ortalon At that time he worked as a checker for the company. Most of my closest mates Alan (Ace) Fielder.Alan Wheldrake,John Appleyard chose the life at sea following the path of my cousin Tom Dunwell and Alan Bedford The latter was lost overboard in the Red Sea Which Pedro knew about
When I was an apprentice there was one job I loved which was repairing the damage caused by the grab on the Scrap ships Which laid in the West Dock.Mostly Dutch or German. For we were always invited for a glass or two of Schnapps after completion
Happy Days
Posted by Tony Clyne at 22/01/2015 22:38
Posted by Tony Clyne at 22/01/2015 22:48
Hamish seem to remember you saying you were on the Polden, eight photos on Photoships No.6 in colour.
Posted by Gary Worton at 23/01/2015 01:21
Hi guys;
I'm another one who didn't start my seagoing escapades as 'Deck lad on t' Hodder; Rother; Hebble,' etc.
I did my training at the TS Vindicatrix, in Sharpness, Gloucester (1957) where the school was relocated from Gravesend, care of Herr Hitler, just before the shit hit the fan.
I did a few trips deep sea before savouring the delights of Home Trade and short haul continental runs.
In fact you had to be rated at least EDH to be on the new AHL ships; my first being the Darlington, before aspiring to the Abbey boats and such.
Incidentally Corby, your old buddy Ace Fielder was an AS on the Byland Abbey when I first joined her. I believe he has since crossed the bar. He was a good guy. As indeed were many more of the old stalwarts; too numerous to mention here.
Ah! Such memories.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 23/01/2015 11:54
Hi Gary,seems we`ve got a little bit 0f movement again, like my previous posting to Hamish there`s a good coloured photo of Darlington on Photoships. remember Ace Fielder being a big mate of Pete Bulmer they were always together. See you served your time on the old hulk. Catch you later T.C.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 23/01/2015 12:43
Posted by Tony Clyne at 23/01/2015 13:03
Corby, on the subject of jazz you will probably remember Cy Laurie playing at the baths, when I was on the Salinas his ex drummer was 3rd engineer. Also on Shops and Shopping page can you shed any light on postings between me and Keith. I apologise to all for using ships page like this. T.C.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 23/01/2015 13:35
HiTony. Yes Cy is one of my all time greats at the Baths along with Sid Phillips,Eric Delaney and Freddy Randall On my 21st. Freddy did me the honour of playing Happy Birthday to you When he split his lip in the process. at the time I felt so proud that he did it for me
I skipped over to the shops page as you suggested. But found that you had invited SB for involvement.Therefore I cannot comment for whatever input I may put forward how would I compare. I being a mere mortal
Posted by Hamish at 23/01/2015 18:51
Ahoy Tony!! Thanks for the heads up on the pictures,I do have one taken by Skyphotos(?) in the channel, and it was taken while I was aboard her, a rare happening, I remember the plane flying around us for quite a while.The Polden was my last ship before jumping on the Saxonia and emigrating to Canada and that was a nail biter I can tell you, we had booked our passage from Liverpool on March 11th and on March8th we were still in Pooleon the Polden, with lots of fog forecast on the NE coast, but to cut a long story short,I paid off in Hartlypool jumped on the train for Leeds, taxi to the house, grab the wife and her luggage, then back to the station for the train to Liverpool, got aboard the Saxonia about lunchtime, and she sailed around 5pm, cut it very close to say the least. Teddy Eolls was skipper of the Polden and he left the trip before me to take a pilots position in Seaham Harbour (seaham Harbour can you imagine?) I often wonder how he made out,he wa a hell of a nice guy tho one of the best skippers I ever did sail with, them were the days Cheers Hamish
Posted by Barrie P Spink at 23/01/2015 23:11
Reference your post Sam Grannon at 10/01/2015 14:30
Fred Langton riveter what a nice man to work with, Fred lived next door but one to me in Woodlands Avenue, they were number 5 and we were number 9, I think that he died fairly young in the late 1950's, my mother was friendly with his wife till my mother died about 10 years ago They had a son Freddie and a daughter called Mavis, Mavis would be around 78 yeasrs of age and Freddie around 75 years of age
Captain Aaron lived at number 7 woodlands avenue in those far off days i left Goole in 1955 to go to College and study Electronics
Posted by Tony Clyne at 24/01/2015 14:08
Hamish, Photoships-Micellaneous Picture Gallery- Port Harbours Piers and Docks- List of Pics-Liverpool Landing Stage pic 61, can`t see the name but seems to be right number of letters, is it Saxonia? T.C.
Posted by Hamish at 24/01/2015 17:49
Ahoy Tony!! I do have several pictures of the Saxonia, But I am having trouble getting into photoship, my steam driven tripe setter wants to take me to photoshop everytime.The Saxonia had a spotty life, she was renamed Carmania after the passenger trade went t up, she was painted green and various changes were made including a swimming pool on the after deck, then she went cruising for a while but because of high operating costs she was laid up in the river Fall in 1971(along with her sister, the she was sold to the Russian Sourtaflot organisation,then I lost interest so don't know what happened to her after that, I know she was only three years old when I sailed on her(as a passenger)in 1957 and I found her a very comfortable well found ship, and as I recall my passage to Montreal in 1957 cost 66pounds each, them were the days!cheers H
Posted by Corby Bunting at 25/01/2015 13:53
Hi Tony. I must apologize for my last reply to you It may have seemed a little curt. If you need an explanation. Please Email me on
Posted by Shaun at 28/01/2015 15:44
SS Gwynwood was at Hawke Anchorage in the mouth of the Humber when she was hit by a parachute mine during ww2. Can anyone tell me where Hawke Anchorage is. And is it possible to view that area from land that is accessible by car. Thank you
Posted by Paul at 28/01/2015 21:27
Google SSGwynwood Humber Estuary - World Naval Ships Forum
Fourth posting down by Billy McGee has a link that will take you to a chart from which you should be able identify the anchorage north of Grimsby.
Posted by Shaun at 29/01/2015 17:24
Cheers Paul. Will take a look at that.
Posted by Trevor D Johnson at 02/03/2015 18:36
Fascinating to read the comments, just found the site.
I was born in Pasture Road and my Father sailed out of Goole on many ships, Rother, Don and "Butter Boats " through the war and just after until I came on scene in 1948. His name Douglas Johnson, AB and later Bosun. Also a Great Uncle of mine Don Johnson, sailed for most of his life on AHL as I believe Boilerman/Motorman. Does anybody know either of them.
Ironically when I left deep sea I joined my first coaster at Goole, the Stevie Clarkes "Cowdray", as Chief mate we went down to Dover, discharged then back loaded Kentish coal for believe it or not the Tyne.
It's a great site that I shall peruse in the future.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 03/03/2015 13:50
To Trevor Johnson, welcome to the site, judging by your birth date 1948 I imagine you joined the Cowdray in the 70`s it will be interesting to know what was happening after most of the regulars on here had finished and look forward to any stories you come up with. With regards to your father I think he is a bit before our time, but you never know someone might come up with something. It`s nice to here some new blood we seem to have all but dried up. Regards T.C. PS I was on Lancing, Broadhurst and Ardingly.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 03/03/2015 13:57
To Martin Smith, I borrowed a copy of The Lanky`s from a friend, intersting read, I presume Phil Smith mentioned is your father. One thing the author got wrong though is the piece about the Fountains Abbey. T.C.
Posted by Hamish at 04/03/2015 23:10
Ahoy trevor ! Cowdray, built 1959 in Grangemouth, became one of Kellies submarines 1976 and renamed Bally Castle, sold again to Lebanon ren and renamed Aref, broken up 1986 didn't have too long a life, Jack Rudd seems to have been the Master for a while but he left to become a Shoreham pilot, seems while with Stevies she ran mostly to Shoreham or Poole, there are some Great pics of her on Ships Nostalgia, having said all that there appears to have been two Cowdrays, the second one was all accommodation aft, I was on the Petworth, Seaford and Beeding, but well before your time I quit the sea in 1957
Posted by Martin Smith at 06/03/2015 11:28
Hello Tony,
Yes - Phil Smith was my dad - he was with AHL from 1946 to when they folded in 1971 - he was one of the last seagoing personnel as he was kept on till March 72 to wind down the stores -as you can imagine i am still well stocked with late 60's Heineken/Tuborg beer glasses and still have an AHL silver tea pot:)
I still have his reference signed by the "infamous" Freddy Wooller who left his 1st and 2nd officers on the Fountains Abbey in 1962 and but for the bravery of a Lowestoft trawler hand they would have died as well as the 2 men who were lost. On the subject of the Fountains Abbey you are right about the Lankys book -she was not lost in the year she was delivered.
There is another booklet by Ted Wild called AHL which is more about the memories of his time as a 2nd Officer on the Copenhagen run - great story about being ice bound in the Kattegat in 1956 and losing the rudder stock. He was on the Don and Dearne -not sure if he sailed on the Kirkham or Byland Abbey.
Posted by Richard France at 13/03/2015 16:28
I am researching WILLIAM FRANCE of GOOLE, LEEDS and LONDON and intend to make my findings freely available to anyone interested. He was my Gt. Gt. Grandfather. As well as stories handed down through older family members I have so far identified 37 vessels owned or part owned by him and the wharves in London which he used over about 50 years of trading. My interests include all those docks and warehouses when he was using them and the several other businesses he was involved in. Information about vessels came from the Goole Shipping Registers held at Beverley, Lloyds Register of Shipping and various websites. Any advice or information would be very much appreciated.
Posted by Hamish at 16/03/2015 16:21
Ahoy Richard! There is a great write up of the France Fenwicks company 0n ships Nostalgia (too long to copy here)which includes a history of most of their fleet.
Posted by Hamish at 16/03/2015 21:07
Ahoy Richard! Maybe I should have been a little more precise as finding things on the site of Ships Nostalgia can prove a little tricky, After you have signed into Ships Nostalgia, go to "forums" then on the right you will see a box entitled "search Forums" put france fenwick in this box, when the page opens, go to #4 and scroll down to France Fenwicks Colliers.go to posting #26 and enjoy! However one can get the same info from Norman L Middlemiss's book "Black Diamond Fleets" cheers H
Posted by Richard France at 19/03/2015 10:40
Thanks Hamish. All help much appreciated. I wonder if you or anyone else can help with this. A few weeks ago, while searching the net, I stumbled across a picture, about 1880, of one of William France's ships (WF on it's funnel) tied up at Goole docks with a note on the picture itself stating that it was Aldam Dock. At that moment I lost my connection and I have been unable to find the image since. Tried Goole Museum site and no end of Google searches but without success. Any ideas?
Posted by Tony Clyne at 23/03/2015 13:05
Hi Richard France, BROWSE Pictures with thumbnails CLICK Miscellaneous Picture Galleries CLICK Ports Harbours Piers Docks CLICK 13 or Here for list of pictures, scroll down to Goole, lots of pics. I think second pic Goole Aldam Dock 02. might be one you are looking for. Have fun T.C.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 23/03/2015 13:27
Hi Hamish We`re still around, just doesn`t seem to be much to talk about these days, ref. your comment on new Cowdray there was also new Lancing and Steyning of similar build, I saw Lancing loading at a jetty near Colwyn Bay N.Wales when I was driving, smaller ships than originals. Hope your`e keeping well T.C.
P.S. Not a lot of noise coming from Ontario these days either, he might read this and wake up. L.O.L. Hi Gary. T.C.
Posted by Hamish at 23/03/2015 20:05
Ahoy Tony! Did you run out of spiel regarding Booths Ferry??Glad you could help Richard, I don't recall seeing many WF or FF funnels in Goole in my day, seems they were more Blyth runners (not forgetting West Hartlepool) I do recall the nickname for the FF's were Forever F---d I'll leave the second one open for your imagination, but really cant comment as I never had the pleasure of setting foot aboard one. Yes Ontario is a little silent, but down East they have a tendency to hibernate during the colder months, and as this winter has been a little longer than usual(poor sods)he should be surfacing soon, as soon as the Brewers retail advertise a beer sale, should be the clarion call, Have Fun Hamish
Posted by Gary Worton at 24/03/2015 00:37
Hi Tony, Hamish and the rest of the gang.
I'm still very much into things relating to Goole and the various ships that used to abound therein.
Most of the posts of late seem to be before my era, so I can't really comment on them.
I only started my seagoing exploits in 1957; about the time Hamish swallowed the anchor.
I did sail on the Steyning though, first I did one trip in Dec 1961 and didn't like it, but I joined her again in April 1963 and stayed almost a year until Dec 21. Fred Bird was bo's'un and it seemed like a different ship.
Anyway, that's all for now. It's way past my bed time.
Gary W
Posted by Gary Worton at 24/03/2015 00:53
Yo Hamish , you got it right about our lousy winter. Here we are, a week into Spring and we're still getting temperatures of -15 C. Mind you, the Maritimes, Newfieland and Nova Scotia etc. are still experiencing severe snow storms with upwards of 35 to 40 cm,s of the white stuff piling up daily.
My son and his family had planned a March break skiing in BC Hamish, but they had to cancel because there was no snow. They finished up in Arizona which, contrary to popular belief is not all desert and cactus plants.
S'all for now then. Sorry for straying off subject.
Talk to you all later.
Gary W
Posted by Tony Clyne at 24/03/2015 12:10
Hi Gary, I woke you up then, I`m in the same boat as you, didn`t start till 59 did 4 trips deep sea before sailing out of Goole. Regards Steyning I knew Fred Bird very well he lived next door to my wife in 2nd Ave before we got married, we were talking to one of his daughters the other day, told her I was in touch with you and that you had sailed with him. Looking at date you must have been on Steyning when I was on Lancing (ships in the night). T.C.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 24/03/2015 12:28
Hi Hamish, yes the Booth Ferry line seemed to dry up, no one seemed to be able to come up with a good answer so I let it die. I hope Richard finds Photoship helpful, he should also find pictures of most of the ships he`s looking for. T.C.
P.S. You can keep your winters we are about 30 degrees warmer than Gary`s -15c and we think it`s cold. We got an inch of snow one day and it melted away in a couple of hours. Bye for now.
Posted by Martin Smith at 26/03/2015 19:47
For all those with AHL connections -the AHL epitaph penned in 1971 - this was sent to me recently by the widow of Les Allison (a Goole man) -Chief Engineer on the Leeds,York,Wakefield,Bolton Abbey,Melrose Abbey and Whitby Abbey 1963-1971 his widow sent me this from Antwerp where Les resided after leaving Goole when he married a Belgian girl.

Alphabetical Epitaph to A.H.L. 30/11/1971 R.I.P.

A is for A.H.L. who miserably fail.
B is for Boats, which are now up for sale.
C is for Cargo, container and crate,
D is for Dole queue, our ultimate fate.
E is for Europe, goodbye to those trips.
F must be Farewell, cos theres no f---inships.
G is for Goole where the company started,
H is for Hull where we finally parted.
I is Illusion of company tradition
J is the justice in its present position.
K is the K.O. so rudely dealt,
L the Location right below the belt.
M is the Manner in which it was done,
N is November, the end of the run.
O is Omega, the end of all reason.
P is the Price of our loyal adhesion.
Q is for Question, quandary and queuing,
R is Redundance, retirement and ruin.
S is the Sacrifice, willingly wrought,
T is the Thanks, which add up to nought.
U is the Union, not much assistance.
V is the volume of invalid insistance.
W is the Work of the ever so few,
X is the Gratia, the payment in loo.
Y is the Yearnings, the hope all in vain,
and Z is for Zero, our ultimate gain.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 27/03/2015 12:33
Hi Hamish, just read postings on S/N by maritiem about France Fenwick, plenty of info there, should certainly help Richard. T.C.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 27/03/2015 12:41
Hi Martin, very good, I guess that took some thinking but it certainly fits. T.C.
Posted by Hamish at 30/03/2015 17:02
Thanks for posting Martin!! The AHL was different things to different people I suppose, in my case I found them convenient at times, the times when there was nothing except them going thru the poole, and one was on the last pick of ships, I suppose they were good for the local Goolie, just like a day job, but for us "away" boys they were a drag, they were mediocre feeders and very tight with "extra" hours worked, time off in lue for sundays at sea (which there were very few of) and overtime, which again time off was good for the local, he got more time at home, but imagine being in West Dock aboard the Don in winter, with no lights (just coal oil lights),no heat, and no galley, and worse still no money, and if memory serves me the fireman would arrive four hours before sailing time to get steam up.I suppose in retrospect, the runs were good with good times ashore on the continent, but one couldn't live on good times, and as far as I could see they did look after their"time served old timers" with a doddle of a job in the shore gang, but again one would have to put up with the "company policy"for years to attain that exulted position, Ah the memories cheers H
Posted by Martin Smith at 31/03/2015 18:49
Hamish my pleasure - i understand your point re AHL as my dad looking back on his sea going days said much the same that the best he was treated by a Company was by Atlantic Steam Navigation (Cerdic/Bardic/Europic Ferry) whom he joined in 1973 after AHL closed which morphed in to Townsend Thorsesen all part of European Ferries. I think his soft spot for AHL where all the characters both at sea and office staff ashore which he said you did not get in more recent times and of course he was with them for 25 years.
Posted by Richard France at 02/04/2015 18:48
Hi Tony Clyne and Hamish. Sorry for my temporary absence. I have had an unexpected short stay at our local hospital. Fighting fit now though (well almost). Thanks for drawing my attention to It is indeed a brilliant site but unfortunately the image I am thinking of is not there. I can only hope I will accidentally stumble across it again sometime. I see France Fenwick is already extremely well documented so I shall restrict my own research to before the c1890 amalgamation. I know that William France died 27 Aug 1883, following a three month illness, and that his estate was administered by the surviving executor William Clarke, solicitor of Leeds. Also that a receiver was appointed by the courts to manage the running of the shipping business until it's eventual sale. So, thank you both again for your valuable help. If I get stuck again, and I expect I will, perhaps I can get back to you. Regards RF.
Posted by Martin Smith at 06/04/2015 16:25
Yorkshire Film Archive- Just to advise all those with Goole connections there is an excellent 35 minute long film in the above archive its film number 3649 -titled "The Port of Goole 1964" - features the Docks including AHL ships MV Harrogate and some interesting shots of cargo being unloaded from the Byland Abbey and references the Butter Boats . Goes on to look around Goole and references that the Goole Docks football team in the docks league - details a game with the crew of a Russian ship - other ships in the film are the Trentoria and the Steyving as well as numerous shots of Dutch,German and Russian vessels as well as around Goole in general - shows what a hub of activity Goole was in ther early 60's.
Just google "Port of Goole 1964".
Posted by Hamish at 09/04/2015 17:01
Thanks for posting Martin!! Very nostalgic , even a few shots of one of my old ship the Beeding, being stretched for Kellies, good film
Posted by Tony Clyne at 12/04/2015 14:55
HELP! Martin, Hamish, How do I keep this film going, I get the Steyning sailing then it stops and I get little balls whirling around in the middle of the screen. Don`t know about computer literate I think it`s complete illiterate T.C.
Posted by Hamish at 12/04/2015 15:52
Ahoy Tony!! Yes I got the same thing ,but I left my steam driven tripe setter for a while(balls and all)and it took its time but it did download.It would be interesting to hear comments from Goolies who still live there, and were living there in 64 to see what did transpire from the glowing future that was predicted by the narrator,last time I was in Goole circa 2004 there were three ships in total in the whole place, and two of those were little bigger than barges,but by the same token I don't know how industry has expanded in the Goole area. Another observation I made of the film, was the total disregard for safety displayed by the dockworkers, walking around underneath swinging heavy lifts for example, and other infractions regarding loading and unloading, another thing that I noticed was to me rather comical, was the unloading of the sides of Danish bacon, which were pulled out of the hold and loaded to an open flatbed truck(lorry)hope it was not July when the film was made, or the bacon would not be very fresh when the housewives got it, but that is all in the past and I am not a health and safety guy anyway,so take care, and I hope you manage to down load the film, the shots of the Beeding are very interesting H
Posted by Martin Smith at 14/04/2015 08:50
Hello Tony,
I am in the same boat re the technology - however my pc plays the film fine - don't know if its a case of loading a more unto date flash drive. Whilst on the YFA site there is also an interesting film from 1972 called "Seaway to Europe" and features a 25 minute film (narrated by the late cricket commentator Christopher Martin Jenkins?) of Ellerman Wilson lines Hull -Zeebrugge Ferry MV Spero - which was considered by many to be the best looking ship to have plied the Ferry routes ever - it also shows Bruges and its a real 1970's nostalgia trip.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 17/04/2015 13:18
SUCCESS! Like you said Hamish leave it for a while and it finally comes through. The narrators comments didn`t come true although there is a fair amount of new industry it`s not particulary connected to the docks. The new large Power stations and natural gas killed the coal trade and containerization and roll on roll off saw an end to the general cargo service which AHL and other ships did. I have noticed a few more ships in lately but seems to be bulk cargoes, steel and timber.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 18/04/2015 11:40
Hi Hamish, I picked up The Goole Times (local paper) yesterday and some sad news in there answers a question you asked me a while back, Paul (Billy) Guy passed away 13/04/15, one of the acknowledgments reads we miss your smile your cackle your dancing and singing. Sad, I didn`t know him, only knew of him. Catch you later T.C.
Posted by Hamish at 18/04/2015 16:52
Thanks for that Tony ! Sad news indeed, I never sailed with Billy but bumped into him a lot while on the colliers,be it Poole Shoreham or Plymouth, he was on the Lancasterbrook at one time I recall, we played darts together a lot, in places like the Jolly Sailors in poole, and the Seahouses in Shoreham, and we got steamed together in Melodies quite often, he was a great singer could take off Frankie Lane to a Tee and knew all his numbers, in fact he earned us quite a few free pints with his renditions in the "down South " pubs. I kind of lost touch with him when he decided to swallow the anchor and become a docky in Goole, only running into him occasionally after that, I could go on but some things are not for a public forum so suffice is to say R.I.P.Billy Thanks Tony take care H
Posted by Gary Worton at 19/04/2015 02:24
Hi guys;
Just back from a brief sojourn (a week) to the sunny climes of Florida and am saddened, upon my return, to learn of the passing of Billy Guy, an old buddy of Hamish's. He was not a close friend of mine but I knew him well and often drank in the same company, along with other dockers of the day, especially on full board days!
He was a docker when I started sailing out of Goole, so I never knew him as a seaman like Hamish did.
Regarding the Port of Goole 1964 video, as already stated in previous postings, I sailed on the Steyning for a few trips in the early sixties when the coal trade was still at a premium.
Also, I echo Hamish's comments regarding the unloading of Danish bacon from ''t butter booats', not very hygienic by today's standards but considered quite adequate for the day.
I sailed on both the Byland Abbey and her sister ship the Kirkham Abbey and well recall the ritual of scrubbing all three hatches, lower and 'tween-decks, in Copenhagen after discharging general outbound cargo, and prior to loading the bacon; which was only allowed to commence after inspection by a certified inspector and, believe it or not, they were pretty strict. The hatches were also insulated with sealing plugs which fitted between the hatch beams to allow for a means of refrigeration whilst at sea. However, the method of unloading the bacon in Goole still left a little to be desired. Still, I don't recall many complaints from the butcher's shops that used to sell the stuff or the guys who used to eat it every morning.
How times change.
That's it for now guys; talk to you all later.
Posted by Paul C. at 19/04/2015 17:50
Just to up date you on the passing of Paul(Billy) Guy, this actually refers to the son of Billy Guy.
Posted by Hamish at 19/04/2015 23:36
The Billy I refer to would be around 80 + - a year or two
Posted by Tony Clyne at 21/04/2015 12:29
To Paul C. Sorry for my mistake regarding Billy Guy, perhaps you can update us on the Billy we are talking about as Hamish and Gary both live in Canada. T.C
Posted by Tony Clyne at 21/04/2015 12:49
Hamish and Gary, sorry for the boob, looks like I got it wrong again, I saw the announcements in the paper and assumed thinking as H said we are looking at an 80+ year old. To change subjects I can certainly remember scrubbing the gratings in Copenhagen, I did it on the B/Abbey and York. As for the loading of bacon on lorries this was an all year round job, it was loaded as you see in the film then covered with an ordinary wagon sheet, roped on then parked in the yard overnight and delivered next day round the West Riding, it all added to the flavour. Bye for now T.C.
Posted by Hamish at 21/04/2015 16:49
Didn't do any of that hold cleaning or scrubbing on the Don,not that I recall anyway, but I would like to know what was in the little box containers we brought bag from Copenhagen, sometimes we would have as many as three lashed on deck (chained)they were off loaded straight onto a flat deck rail wagon which appeared to be built just for them,the reason I ask is, we would groan when we saw them come aboard ,as it meant an extra shift ship in Goole, we would have to discharge them first in the dock west of west dock,before moving into the normal berth in west dock, which meant us "away" lads had to stay aboard until we were at the westdock berth, which could mean an overnight stay, and one less night home
Posted by Paul C. at 21/04/2015 21:33
To Tony Clyne: Old Billy is still around but I'm sure Pauls passing will have caused him much distress
Posted by Tony Clyne at 25/04/2015 12:32
Hamish, the little containers you mention were the forerunners of the containers we see today and were built to fit the flat rail wagons, loaded with goods destined for companies with rail connection or some were even loaded on railway lorries and delivered as containers are today, remember the ships (The Lankys) were owned by the L&Y railway also called Railway Boats. Makes you wonder what sort of management was running the company as they were running a container service may years before anyone else and they just ran out of existance. T.C.
Posted by sue wood at 25/04/2015 19:30
I have been reading with interest all the visitor comments to your site. I wonder if anyone can help me with information about my grgr grandfather Mark Hargrave, captain of a ship, Elite, which was abandoned in the Atlantic in 1887 and the crew taken to New York. His ship was made locally at Howdendyke somewhere around 1883.Would there have been local newspaper reports about this incident ? I believe Mark Hargrave married a lady from Goole, her name being Ethelinda Burston.
Many thanks in anticipation.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 27/04/2015 13:00
Att. SUE WOOD, Schooner ELITE built 1883 abandoned mid Atlantic Nov 18 1897 Capt. Mark Robert Hargrave. Google ships built at Howdendyke click Howdendyke the site for information on keels and sloops scroll down to 1883 Elite. For information on marriage Google Ethelinda Burston , click Ethelinda Susannah Burston Ancestors of. scroll down to Mark Robert Hargrave and Ethelinda Susannah Burston. Hope this helps T.C.
Posted by Hamish at 29/04/2015 15:49
Ahoy Tony!! Yes there is a discussion about the small box containers, if you harken back a few months on this site,it was pointed out that AHL had "missed the boat"on containerisation (S) excuse the pun, as they seemed to be one of the very first to be using them. no my question was, what was in them?Never did know, no labels, no shippers names. and the mate didn't seem to know which had it been this day and age I find a little scary, although in retrospect I guess the millions of containers floating around the world being off loaded in so many down town harbours, does anyone really know what is in them all, just a thought ! As an aside, I have not seen Corby posting on this site for quite a while, hope the old geezer is still with us, and do you ever hear of one George Cannon, sailed out of Goole fifties and sixties, cheers H
Posted by Corby Bunting at 29/04/2015 17:50
Hi Hamish. I'm still about. A bit late this year getting motivated to a visit to Goole. The place we still call home. All the best
Posted by Tony Clyne at 02/05/2015 12:45
Richard France, Goole on the Web Canal page b/w photo 1903 Nina in ship dock, looks like WF on funnel, also Company Town page East Parade Wm. F. Fenwick`s Office. T.C.
Posted by sue wood at 13/05/2015 12:02
Many thanks for the information Tony.
Posted by Hamish at 14/05/2015 16:30
Ahoy Tony! I think friend Richard has found SN, as I see some FW quotes from some knowledgeable people,
Posted by Kerry hill at 28/05/2015 22:48
Hi to anyone who new my dad Eric hill(ginksy) he has sadly passed away and is sailing his last trip . Any one who knew him he worked on a number of merchant ships.
Posted by Hamish at 29/05/2015 19:58
Ahoy Kerry! Very sorry to hear about your dads passing, always a traumatic occasion to the near and dear, however do you have any info on the ships he sailed on (and dates) it always helps to give us old timers a memory boost jab, as some of us have great troubles remembering just whom we did sail with, and again my condolences, take care Hamish
Posted by Corby Bunting at 30/05/2015 22:59
Hello Kerry.I am very sad to hear of your Dad's passing.We have spoke in the past and although we were the same age.I did not know him that well. but understood he was a character.We knocked around with others of that age group.Alan (Ace ) Fielder.Alan Wheldrake, Trevor Hudson. Trevor Bramham,Eddy Binnington,Gordon Shipley.all now also departed. I also knew his uncle Des Darragh.I believe Eric's first ship was the Don as was Ace's.
Goodnight Eric and God Bless
Posted by Kerry hill at 01/06/2015 20:19
Thanks for the kind words Hamish and Corby. Soon as I can recall some info I will post it but Corby is right about the Don, I believe he used to be a cook. Thanks.
Posted by Phil Blanshard at 07/06/2015 17:07
I've been away from Goole since the 1940s so have little first-hand information, but I have a painting by my grandfather, George William Headon, of a ship the name of which appears to be Calder. The date on the painting is 1905. As a child growing up in Goole I was given to believe that my grandfather (a carpenter/joiner) played some part in the "fitting out" of the ship. Craggs Shipyard was mentioned many times in connection with this but I have no certain knowledge. I would be pleased if anyone could provide me with any background to this ship and its history.
Posted by Hamish at 08/06/2015 01:36
Ahoy Phil! Top of this page click on L&Y owned ships, scroll down, there is mention of the "Calder" there, not a lot but I am sure you will find more on this sight someplace, don't think you will find any crew members though as she appears to have been scrapped in1931
Posted by Tony Clyne at 08/06/2015 11:58
Hi Phil Blanshard, as you have probably seen at the top of this page there is a poem about the loss of the Calder. She was lost with all hands in 1931, there is a memorial plaque in the Parish Church and I think all the crew are named. T.C.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 08/06/2015 12:23
Ref SS Calder built by Lobnitz & Co. Renfrew Scotland. Google SS Calder several accounts and reports including a full crew list on Ships Nostalgia. T.C.
Posted by Transportman at 08/06/2015 13:46
Hi Phil. re- Calder. Launched Saturday 9 April 1887 by W. Dobson, Newcastle, for Goole Steam Shipping Co. Registered at Goole 24 April 1887; first master George James King. Robert Woodhead was captain in 1905. Sailed Goole to Continental ports except potato season when it did Jersey to Holyhead or Jersey to Hull for Wilson Line. Broken up April 1926 at Inverkeithing.
The 2nd Calder completed her trials 27 November 1930 and was lost with all hands 142 days later.
Posted by Hamish at 04/08/2015 16:09
Cor stone the crows, Whats up with Goole these days everyone gone back to bed??Surely something must be happening around the old port, never seen it this quiet, not even the morning after full board day
Posted by Tony Clyne at 06/08/2015 14:16
Och aye the knoo, Still here H. but as you say it`s absolutely dead, I`ve been doing some volanteer work at the Waterways Museum for the past couple of months, we do trips round the docks and I tell the passangers what it was like back in the days when we were doing it. Yesterday there were three ships in, one in South Dock, one in Barge Dock on the covered berth and the other was in West Dock. The ships are bigger these days 3-4 thousand tons due to different design. Goole is doing about 1,500,000 tons a year and rising at the moment mainly bulk cargoes, steel, timber, potash and fertliser. Not like the old days 2,500.000 tons of coal plus all the general AHL and the other ships did. Nice to hear you hope you`re keeping fit and well, catch you later . T.C. P.S Ontario not making much noise either Ha Ha.
Posted by Hamish at 07/08/2015 16:38
Aye weel it was his birthday a couple of days ago so he may have got himself into some of that cheap beer in Ontario and is not feeling too well the noo, if ye ken whit I mean? Going round the docks?I thought they were all secured and didn't allow the general public to wander around like they did in the old days, when I was last there 2004 I think, I was not allowed anywhere near the docks which meant for a lot of walking from one side to the other, anyhoo take care, have not seen you on SN lately , cheers H
Posted by Tony Clyne at 08/08/2015 13:20
Hi Hamish, We go round on a boat, one of the tugs which pulled the Tom Puddings down the canal, we start at the museum on the canal and follow the docks round to Stanhope Dock turn round at West Dock entrance and back, takes about fourty minutes. You can still walk across from Lowther to Middle House, over the bridge and turn right then follow fenced footpath round edge of dock to inner gates of Ocean Lock cross lock then down South St to Middle House. I keep having a look at SN but haven`t really been on. Re. Ontario, if cheap booze has been involved there should be a glimmer of life in a couple of days. Bye for now T.C.
Posted by David Proud at 14/08/2015 23:07
Looking for any info on Horatio Herbert Fox MBE. Master for the Goole Shipping Co. The family story is that he was torpedoed in both wars.
Posted by Hamish at 01/09/2015 23:36
Ahoy Tony!! Are you a member of the Gravesend Seaschool old boys club?? and if so did you read the last rendering of the "Masthead" I see Charlies got a mention in one of the members stories, Don't recognise the guys name tho, but he seems to have had a good time in there(not that there were any bad times, just some were better than others)take care H
Posted by Tony Clyne at 04/09/2015 12:12
Hi Hamish, how do you get to this old boys club, I googled it and got a site a bit like S/N under Naval colledges and sea schools didn`t see any mention of Masthead, catch you later. T.C.
Posted by Hamish at 04/09/2015 16:58
Ahoy Tony! Just google Gravesend sea school and I think you will get info from there,it is not an on line society, but more or less a club which costs about 5pound a year made up of old boys who attended Gravesend, and the masthead is a mail out magazine (on line if you wish)with yarns,lies and stories mainly about what happened to the guys when they left and went to sea, also history on some of the instructors etc,I have been getting it on line now for several years and have still not come across anyone I sailed with,and there are a few who attended before me, cica 1949 cheers H
Posted by geraldine green at 18/09/2015 15:30
Interested in the Goole crabbers. I am a volunteer at rescuewoodenboats A charity (google it) Are there any left or any info on them
Posted by jack ter at 24/09/2015 23:27
eny imfo on a old ship mate .
peter brannigan would be welcome. last heard of mate with
Posted by Hamish at 26/09/2015 00:55
Ahoy Jack! Just log into ships nostalgia, then search the forums there is a whole section on Everards, and quite a lot of discussion about the Yellow Perils, remember them??
Posted by jack tar at 26/09/2015 15:51
cheers hamish
Posted by Gary Worton at 03/11/2015 22:37
Glad to see that MV GOTW is up and running again, but where are the crew?
Wakey wakey guys, watch on deck. Stand by for stations or we're going to run aground.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 05/11/2015 13:12
We`re here on standby Gary, just waiting for the tide, a bit slow on the flood. Went round the docks on the tug last week, quite busy, seven ships in mind you they are bigger these days, up to 5000 tons. Well I`d better get back on lookout see if there`s anything about, catch you later. T.C.
Posted by Ray at 06/12/2015 18:34
I have just spotted the comment by Corby Bunting on 23/04/2014, when, in commenting about coal-trimmers, he mentions S/S Koduma exiting the locks at Goole, then hittting the far bank, capsizing and being lost.

My father, George Arnold, was Captain of the Koduma on that fateful day.
He told me the reason for the accident was that the Koduma had been having problems with its rudder for quite a while, and he had told the ship's owners about the problem more than once. He had eventually persuaded the Koduma's owners to have the ship dry-docked at Goole in order that the problem could be sorted out.

The Koduma then apparently spent nearly 3 weeks in dry dock, after which the 'management' there assured my father that the rudder problem had been fixed.

The ship was then loaded up with cargo, and entered the locks. As soon as it left (Ocean lock, I believe) and entered the incoming tidal current, the steering failed completely, and the ship, completely out of control and not answering any rudder commands from the wheel-house, sheared across the river, and hit the far bank. It heeled over because of the current, started to fill with water, and sank onto the mud where it was. All the crew got off OK.

When my father returned home unexpectedly that evening, my Mum said "What are you doing, why are you home, I thought you had sailed?", to which Dad replied, "I did, but I have lost my ship, it has sunk in the river".
Posted by Corby Bunting at 07/12/2015 10:34
Hello Ray. Thank you for the explicit explanation to this event .
I have often wondered why a Estonian ship need to come so far down our coast to load coal.Then to travel up river so far. I remember when a band of Trimmers including my dad would travel up to Whitley Bay to trim cargoes Because your father is British I am assuming the ship was Estonian owned'
At one time many Goole colliers travelled down to Southampton on a regular basis My wife's grandmother married Ted Hall who firstly was mate on his fathers ship but finished up master of is own vessel i have never being able to find out the ships they both sailed on.Pedro knew this family but was unable to tell me.Ted's brother lost his life when the Rye went down
Our neighbour who is Estonian Informs me the name Koduma means Homeland
Posted by Corby Bunting at 07/12/2015 13:12
Hello again Ray.I've just had an age related lapse in concentration
I knew that I had read somewhere about Captain Arnold .I have just found out in what context. SS Northfields being the answer. Alfred Jackson engineer married my GGrand aunt Martha Cook sister to Charles Cook also engineer Who ended his working life as Lockmaster. But charles diversified and did not stay with ships .working on heavy steam machinery at the stone quarries of Portland. Also the building of Skelton Bridge
Posted by Transportman at 08/12/2015 13:26
Hi Corby,

The Kodumaa was built in 1898 as the Harmony. It was requisitioned in WW1 by the Tsar and renamed Koduma. It was nationalised by the Russian communists and renamed Kodumaa in 1919, later arrested by Estonia and added to their fleet. When Russia and Germany invaded Estonia in WW2 it was requisitioned by the Ministry of War Transport and managed by Gowland SS Co, a subsiduary of J. & C. Harrison. which answers your question of why an Estonian ship should be so far up river loading coal. After the war the previous owners put in a claim for compensation. It was wrecked Saturday 26 September 1942
as you said in the River Ouse. I will e-mail you some photos of the Kodumaa taken in Liverpool docks Tuesday 12 May 1942.
By the way, interesting communication between you and Fiona.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 08/12/2015 17:16
Hi Transportman Thank you for the information. Very interesting.My neighbour who escaped from their farm when the Russians came in.Eventualy made it to Germany where she worked for the Luftwaffe operating Smoke screens on the airfields.Later to make it to Scotland She spent her working life for BA at Heathrow Now at 89 she survived Pancreatic Cancer 8 years ago,when they only gave her 8.she still drives She will enjoy your account.As I hope you do hers
Posted by Corby Bunting at 08/12/2015 17:36
correction. They only gave her3
Posted by Hamish at 12/12/2015 19:00
Ahoy Tony! Its a good job there are fewer ships if they are getting bigger!! I can very well remember "bending" ships like the Seaford or Polden around some of those corners in Goole docks (usually in the pouring rain)when the port was standing room only, how we did it was amazing lots of wire gymnastics and compressor work, I liked to skive down aft with the second mate, and let the junior hands have the focsle head, and those poor boatmen running lines all over the place too, wonderful memories
Posted by Tony Clyne at 13/12/2015 12:36
Hi Hamish, quite a while since we heard you, mind you, like I said to Gary after the problem we had with the site there`s not much happening these days and we three seem to be the only ones talking about the old days. Moving around the Docks these days is a lot easier, no boatmen, no wires and no compressors, all the ships have bow thrusters now. Hope you`re keeping in good health and I`ll take this opportunity to wish you and yours, Gary, Shirley and Family, Corby and his Family and all the other people who add to the site A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR. All the best for 2016. Bye for now T.C.
Posted by Ray Arnold at 13/12/2015 15:41
Hi Corby & Co
That is interesting further information about the origin and happenings to s/s Koduma prior to its demise at Goole. Transportman mentions that Koduma was requisitioned by the Tsar in WW1. Curiously enough, my father found himself the Captain of another requisitioned ship, Empire Galena, in the late 1940s. Formerly the S/S Weserstrom, it was delivered as a new vessel to Norddeutscher Lloyd in January 1944. But in May 1945, it was taken as a prize at Kiel, and renamed Empire Galena by the Ministry of War Transport. My Dad was appointed Captain. As a young lad, I had quite a few trips on the Empire Galena, including one to Helsinki and back in August 1946. The ship was carrying carrying lorry and car tyres on its outward journey, and brought back timber, and a lot of paper string, which is all that the Finns had to trade at that time!
Surprisingly, in that I can hardly remember what day it is now, I remember that trip to Helsinki very well (including the barely- concealed hostility of German officials when they came on board during our passage through the Kiel Canal). Last year I returned to Helsinki, and I was able to identify a few places I remembered from 1946.

Referring to Corby's comments about "Captain Arnold" and the s/s Northfield, which the Captain and his Chief Engineer Alfred Jackson saved after a torpedo attack, that was my Grandfather, not my Dad. Unlikely though it might seem, there were FOUR men named Captain George Arnold that sailed out of Goole.
Capt. George ARNOLD (1) b. 1846; d.1912 (my great-grandad)
Capt. George ARNOLD (2) b. 1881; d.1941 (grandad)
Capt. George ARNOLD (3) b. 1906; d. 1978 (dad)
another Capt. George ARNOLD, b. 1862; d. 1934, who lived in Boothferry Road, and was no identifiable relation to the 3 others at all.
Finally, re the s/s Northfield, it was again torpedoed about a year later, and this time, all those on board lost their lives, including Captain John Arnold, a brother of George Arnold (2), who was acting as the ships's Mate on that occasion.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 14/12/2015 08:51
Thank you Tony for your heart felt wishes to me and my family, May I return these wishes to you and yours.
May I also extend these wishes to all readers and those who submit to this excellent site .
I wish you all who ever you are,My heart felt wish for the best Christmas and a trouble free New Year
Posted by Bill at 14/12/2015 13:28
Corby, I'd just like to add my best wishes to you and your family and thank all contributors - past and present-for their input to this site. It really is a splendid source of information. A couple of other points, Webmaster, has the 'Archives' section been permanently cleared of old messages? Also, my original posting, long ago, was about the Marlwood - which my Dad (Joe Stewart/Ship's Cook) served on in the early 50's. There was one other ship that he sailed out of Goole on in 1950 called the Lincolnbrook, the master at the time was C F Arkins (?). Does anyone have any knowledge of this vessel?Thanks and a Happy Christmas to one and all.
Posted by Transportman at 14/12/2015 15:55
Hi Bill Re Lincolnbrook, Comben Longstaff sold her in 1955 to William France Fenwick & Co., who renamed her Gwynwood, 3rd ship of that name. Comben Longstaff bought her back in 1958 and renamed her Harwood. 1964 sold to National Maritime Navigation Co., Tripoli and renamed Wassef. Wrecked in the Black Sea Wednesday 18 August 1971.
Posted by Transportman at 14/12/2015 16:27
Hi Ray, Interesting who was who in Captain George Arnold. The other George Arnold 1862 - 1934 was also the son of a Captain George Arnold 1832 - 1911 making 5 all with the same name.They do not make research easy do they. There were also 4 Captain Joseph Arnold just to complicate things.
Posted by Ray Arnold at 14/12/2015 19:08
Hi Transportman : The Captain George Arnold 1862 to 1934 was the one who got the MBE, but my having been told last year that it was my Grandad that got the MBE, and shown documentary evidence to 'prove it', it is only in the last few weeks that I have been able (with the help of Goole Library Volunteers, and my 94 year old Aunty) to demonstrate that it was the "Boothferry Road Captain George Arnold" that was awarded the MBE, not ours.
There were indeed a lot of Arnold that became Captains, and couple who became Chief Engineers. My Dad told me there was one occasion when a ship sailed out of Goole with THREE Captain George Arnolds on the bridge. Two of them 'hitching a lift to Hull', and the skipper of that ship.
Posted by Patricia Spink at 16/12/2015 11:12
Does anyone know anything about Herbert Henry Sherwood?.He was born in Goole in 1879 and died there in 1940.I have his mates certificates.On one is written he is allowed to act as mate on a square rigged vessle although the certificate is for him to be master of a foreign going steamship.Any help would be appreciated,thank you.
Posted by Transportman at 16/12/2015 14:21
Hi Patricia,
A Captain Sherwood is nearly as bad as Ray's Captain George Arnold, as there were a few of them but fortunately they had different christian names, unlike Ray's. He was born in Goole 22 April 1879 and died 14 February 1940, possibly at home 62, Newclose Lane, Goole. He captained quite a few of Goole Steam Shipping Co.'s steamers, later L. & Y. Railway Co., as well as serving as mate on them which included the 1st Aire; Alt; 1st Calder; Derwent; 2nd Don; Dresden; Humber; Irwell; Liberty; Rosa and 2nd Rye. I think he may also have had a spell at Runciman, Walter & Co., Moor Line of Newcastle, on the Exmoor, Kirriemoor and Uskmoor.
Posted by Patricia Spink at 16/12/2015 21:09
Many thanks Ray for all your information.
Posted by Patricia Spink at 16/12/2015 21:11
Sorry, many thanks Transportman.
Posted by Gary Worton at 20/12/2015 15:37
Hi to all you guys. These last few postings are way before my time. I didn't start sailing out of Goole until 1957, fresh from the TS Vindicatrix. They're interesting, all the same.
Anyway, this posting is just to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Tony; Hamish; Corby; Bill, et al. (Not forgetting the moderator).
It looks like we're in for a green Christmas here in Southern Ontario for a change, what about BC, Hamish?
We just had a light dusting of snow, but as I write, the sun is shining and it will soon be gone. The long range forecast gives it at +15 C for Xmas Day. I,ll take that any day, I'm a bit too long in the tooth for rolling about in the snow.
All the best to one and all.
Posted by Hamish at 20/12/2015 16:53
Greetings one and all!! Well Gary wish I could say the same for BC but we are hovering around -2 to-6 but that is here in the Shuswap (not a boot exchange!) But we are going north for Christmas, to the Cariboo, where the mother in law lives (the witch of the north)she is still going strong at 94,and we are expecting -15 to -30 which is ok if you dress for it and keep the antifreeze topped up, we have a light dusting of snow here (5cent) but they have a foot or so at the rellies with frozen lakes etc, good snowmobile weather, but we are only staying for the Christmas week and expect to be back by next year, cant leave this place for too too long at this time of year in case the furnace quits and the temperature takes a dive.I'll close with wishing ALL you guys and girls a very merry Christmas and "Lang May Yer Lumbs Reek" in the coming year (on somebody else's bunkers of course! Chhers Hamish
Posted by Gary Worton at 28/12/2015 22:56
Ahoy Hamish, we spent Christmas at my son's house in Oakville, Ont. After which he and his family jetted off to your part of the world, BC, for a skiing adventure at Sun Peaks Resort. I believe it is somewhere near Kamloops, not to be confused with Fruit-loops,but that's another story. Pretty much the same as your Shuswap/boot-exchange pun. LOL!
They'll be back on New Years day.
Sorry to bore all our other contributors with minor details like this, but at least you are hearing from two ex-pats who used to sail out of Goole, when it actually meant something to be a part of the system.
Once again may I wish all and sundry a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
'S'all for now folks.
Posted by Hamish at 03/01/2016 17:00
Ahoy Gary!! I can see sunpeaks from my front yard to the west of me,your family would enjoy some good powder skiing, altho a tad cool -25 at least, but at that altitude at least the humidity would be on the dry side so would not feel as cold,as I mentioned I was in the Cariboo over the holidays we head west from here around Sunpeaks to Kamloops then north to Little Fort, Hang a left, then west and up on highway 24 To Bridge Lake, which I believe is actually higher than Sun peaks at 4500 feet (could be wrong)but it was just as cold and just as much snow, one requires good snow tires or chains to get there, oh what we do for fun?I do not ski, but the rellies have a few snow mobiles, so did quite a bit of that across the various lakes in the area,anyhoo we have a brand new year in the offing, so looking forward to what transpires. so take care H
Posted by Richard France at 04/01/2016 14:44
Hi Tony. Better late than never. I just noticed your comment of 02/05/2015. Many thanks for the info. Since my own last comment I have been in touch with Bill Harvey who is also researching the business activities of my Gt. Gt. Grandfather William France of Goole. It is Bill's intention to publish his findings, which he has kindly shared with me, and I have been more than happy to share the results of my own extensive research with him. I look forward to seeing his publication. RF.
Posted by Christine Coultas at 05/01/2016 15:53
I wonder if anyone could help me.My Great Grandfather was George Joseph Hunt manager of Bennets Steamship Company,he died in Goole age 42yrs old.His father was George Hunt who was a master mariner.He was lost at sea ,the family think,but i cannot find any record of his death.The last cencus of him being alive,was on the ship Scovell,Dunkirk.In 1861 .Would anybody know of any goole ships missing at sea or been wrecked?!His wife Elizabeth Hunt is a widow on the next cencus of 1871.Thank you
Posted by Hamish at 23/01/2016 19:12
Ahoy Christine!! I have put your inquiry on to ships nostalgia website, so shall wait and see what transpires
Posted by Tony Clyne at 24/01/2016 12:48
Hi guys, sorry to be the bearer of sad news but another old mate has crossed the bar, Jimmy Costello passed away on the 19th. at home. On a lighter note would you mind keeping your temperatures to yourselves, we`re basking in 11 deg over here. Still not much coming up on the tide. Catch you later T.C.
Posted by Hamish at 24/01/2016 19:33
Ahoy Christine !! Would you have a place and date of birth for the good captain?? Geo joseph Hunt died in 1904 aged 42 as you mentioned. Ahoy Tony sorry to hear of another good mariner crossing the bar! But if we all live and have our health that's where we all end up, the name sounds familiar, but I just cant place him, what was he AB Fireman, catering?
Posted by Hamish at 24/01/2016 19:55
Ahoy Christine!! There is a record of a George Joseph Hunt in September quarter 1904, volume 9c page 552, and a birth ,volume 9c page 542 giving a year of 1862
Posted by Gary Worton at 27/01/2016 16:38
Hi guys, once more into the breach.
Any way Tony, sad to hear about Jimmy Costello. I sailed with him a couple of times on AHL ships. Could have been one of the Copenhagen ships; Byland Abbey , Kirkham Abbey or York.
Anyway Hamish, to answer your question, he was a cook, but most of all, one of the boys. I'll have a cool one for him this aft'.
'Sall for now folks,
Posted by Tony Clyne at 29/01/2016 12:21
Hi guys, sorry you had to answer H`s question for me Gary but the P.C. is a bit of a no go area at the moment, Mother-in-law died Christmas Day and the room is stacked up with her stuff, difficult to get to the desk. To get back to Jim, I was on the Whitby with him, had a good Poker school going which he was a big part of, also used to get in Des Nunns with him besides a regular tipple, as you say he was one of the boys. Remember he said he had been aboard Fountains Abbey after it had been towed to the Continent said the Galley Stove was just a lump of molten metal. Catch you later pals. T.C.
Posted by Hamish at 08/02/2016 23:01
Greetings Guys, just a follow up on the last posts, the only cook out of Goole as I remember (who was a Gooley and I cant remember his name) was a chap I sailed on the Polden with and also one of the railway boats the Blythe I think, he was a small dark chap (no not a native) who wore a van dyke type beard, he was one hell of a good cook, but I don't think he settled in to any ship for a long time as I seemed to bump into him in Goole quite frequently and he was always on a different ship, I recall him being on the Beverlygate with Billy Guy cos I bumped into him in Poole one time when I was on the Polden, a well seniors moments I guess Christine is just a one ofI guess, I put her request on the SN sight and got a couple of bites but she seems to have vanished ah well Ill learn one day I suppose, well guys tap 'er light,as the saying goes and take care H
Posted by Gary Worton at 10/02/2016 02:54
Well gang, amongst all the gloom and doom of old friends crossing the bar, I thought I'd change the mood.
Two more sleeps and wifey and I are heading to Pedro's (may he rest in peace) old stomping ground, Barbados, for a 10 day winter break.
We will be flying out from Toronto on Friday morning for Bridgetown, which is in St Michael parish, where Pedro used to stay. Exactly where, I couldn't say.
We go north by road from there into the next parish of St James, to Holetown, which is the island's oldest settlement. Established by the English (ahem) in 16-ought-blob.
I hope it's name doesn't describe it's nature, LOL.
Anyway, I'm taking the old lap-top, so I'll try to keep abreast of things.
Talk to you guys later.
Posted by Hamish at 10/02/2016 16:40
Have a great trip take lots of mossie oil , and don't get pregnant, in fact if you don't shed your Ontairio winter duds you won't have enough skin showing to attract the mean little sods, but have a good time anyway with lots of rum
Posted by Corby Bunting at 10/02/2016 18:28
Hello Gary. I was able to speak to Pedro on line and still go back reading the subjects we covered.I recall he time he was trying to ensure his young daughter had a suitable education and was over the Moon.when she found a promising placement I cannot reveal her name but do wonder if she was successful in whatever field she chose
On one of his trips to his Island paradise He attempted to find on my behalf the fate of my uncle Edward Morgan.This man was born in the Saint Michael area Barbados Jumped ship in Goole ,married my aunt. then took part in the Great War.It is not known where he ended his life.
Pedro and his friend looked into this.But the problem being was Morgan is quite a common name on that island and I did not want him to spend valuable enjoyment time on my behalf
Ayway, Enjoy the time you have there,I'm sure you will
Posted by John Depledge at 18/02/2016 16:07
Over the years I have compiled a maritime history of the Coates and Depledge families from early 1800's to 1950's and it includes ownership of some small vessels. I have traced many of these, however some more may have come to light. These will be the smaller vessels from keels to schooners. The vessels are William and Mary; Isabella; Providence and William. The family originated from the Knottingley/Pontefract area. Although I cannot be sure these were owned by them I do know That my Great, Great Grandfather John Depledge was master of these vessels between 1819 to 1841.
I am hoping that someone among the "Ships Community" can guide me to a website where I can glean some more information.
Posted by Hamish at 18/02/2016 19:57
Ahoy John! Try "ships nostalgia"website its easy to join, you don't have to be a sea man to join, just have an interest in shipping, which you do ,I'm sure one of the knowledgeable chaps will help you out, cheers H
Posted by John Depledge at 19/02/2016 19:33
Thanks Hamish, I will give it a try.
Posted by Geoff depledge at 21/02/2016 08:44
John if you find any more details please let me know, my brother has also been looking for more detail but no luck so far
Posted by Tony Clyne at 21/02/2016 14:42
To John Depledge, htm have details of over 3500 sloops, keels ,schooners and ketches
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Posted by Corby Bunting at 22/02/2016 13:50
Hello John Depledge With all the knowledge that you have gleaned over the years. you must know of Ron Gosney a fountain of knowledge of Knottingley built craft of the type and age you are looking for. he has been a great help to me over the years.I own books and have looked up the names you have mentioned Providence and also William and Mary feature but not the ones you are looking for.I think a word with the man himself would be the best option.
I knew a Frank Depledge at school same age as myself c 1934
His father was a mariner. any relation?
Posted by John Depledge at 28/02/2016 17:21
Thanks to Tony and Corby. I will try the various names and web sites you have given.
To Corby I have only one Frank Sherburn Depledge on my list born Dec 1899. Beyond that I have no other information other than most Depledges of that era are referred to as mariners Frank's Dad - Tom - was a mariner and in the 1901 census is shown as being on the "Malta". I do however know of another Frank but cannot clarify he was son of Frank Sherburn Depledge He was about a year older than me and must be about 80/81 now.I believe he lived in Old Goole and worked in the offices of G.D Holmes.
Posted by Gary Worton at 29/02/2016 01:25
Hi again guys:
Back from the sunny climes of Barbados to the 'True North Strong and Free(zing)'. What a shock to the system. Actually, we've been back about a week but it's taken us that long to readjust to mother nature's wiles.
It was fantastic and not too hard to understand why Pedro spent his winters there. We've already booked for next year. Five weeks this time.
The island is only 21 x 14 miles and we did a couple of road trips, I'm sure we must have passed close to where Pedro stayed but have no way of knowing for certain.
Anyway, it's back to the old rote for now.
Cheers to one and all.
Posted by Geoff depledge at 29/02/2016 08:14
John the Frank mentioned above is related, I am away just now but I will give you them information when I return later this week
Posted by Geoff depledge at 02/03/2016 08:39
The Frank referred to in Corby's comment is in fact the son of Frank Sherburn Depledge that John quotes. He is the grandson of my grandfather's brother Tom.
He will therefore be related to you John.
He lived in Goole but I have no information on his life, my father knew him but he was somewhat younger being born in 1934 my dad being born in 1919
Posted by Corby Bunting at 02/03/2016 12:57
Hi Geoff and John. Peking to peole in my age group. Last known address of the Frank I knew was Immingham
Posted by Hamish at 05/03/2016 18:48
Ahoy Gary glad to see you made it back all in one piece, the savages didn't have a knaw on your leg or anything untoward happen, caught some of your antics on facebook, and can only say, a trip into the hotter climes tend to be a little hard on the eyes, if you catch my drift, have fun H
Posted by Gary Worton at 19/03/2016 03:41
Hi guys;
All back to normal now, but my recent trip to Barbados stirred an old memory of one of my ex-shipmates from back in the 1963/4 era, just shortly before I exchanged my maritime status for that of matrimonial bliss (LOL)!
Anyways, it concerns one Mick Robson, a former AB. I believe he came from Snaith, and he built his own ship in that area. It was a sailing schooner and was unique in that the hull was made of steel-reinforced concrete.
Corby B may know something about this type of construction, being a shipwright and all.
I believe his intention was to quit the sea and sail his vessel, single handed I might add, across to the Caribbean to do fishing charter trips etc. Obviously he was a single guy.
The exact location I have no idea, although he did tell me but it did not register at the time.
Over to you Tony C. You may have crossed paths with Mick. It may have been on AHL ships or Stevie-Clarks, but he was one of the regular crowd of the day. The George, the Sidney, Charlie Hailstones etc. all the old seamen's watering holes of the day.
Same with you Hamish, he was around a bit before me, so maybe you shared a table or two with him at times.
I last recall seeing Mick on YTV's Calendar news after I had become the shore dwelling husband of a landlord's daughter, when he was loading his boat onto a low-loader truck for transportation to either Hull or Grimsby, prior to his new venture.
After this, I completely lost track.
Maybe you guys, or anyone else who browses this forum, have some knowledge as to how he fared.
'Sall for now folks. Hope to touch base with you soon.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 19/03/2016 13:49
Hi Gary Yes, I remember well the start of the Concrete Yachts. Many were very professionally done and would be unrecognisable from a real boat However there were others who with the best intentions by the builders would be abandoned and become orniments in back gardens and fields. I think that the legal issues were abandonded.also it was important to obtain a good plasterer to obtain a finish.The period you speak of was a huge time of upset in the yacht construction industry Fibre glass yacht builders appeared with no control on the layup system.Until Lloyds cerificates became mandatory. It was the cause of many skilled tradesmen seeking alternative work. I went with the flow and have no regrets If you Google COPOC/history You will see my thoughts in two stories
Posted by Tony Clyne at 21/03/2016 13:08
Hi Gary, regards Mick Robson, the name rings a bell but can`t picture him I`m sure I sailed with him and seem to remember seeing the boat when it was being built but as I said I can`t place him. I suppose the cool weather you got back home to has got rid of the brown bits now. T.C.
Posted by Hamish at 22/03/2016 23:36
I"m afraid Mick Robson does not chime any bells with me, nor the cement boat howeverr there are quite a number of them out here on the west coast, The only story I have of the Caribbean is, I joined the Don to replace an AB who had gone deep sea for a change,on a Palm boat I believe, well while this jolly tar was whooping it up in Jamaica(?) he decided to scale a palm tree, and upon reaching the top fell out and killed himself, his name escapes me, he was a Goole lad tho'
Posted by Gary Worton at 15/04/2016 01:03
Hi guys;
Especially Tony C. I was on Face Book recently and learned of the passing of one my (our) old shipmates Dave Hoggard, who has been mentioned a time or two in past postings, apparently passed away a few years ago. He was also a good buddy of mine after coming ashore, until my leaving for Canada in 1981. After which I lost contact.
This came about after I contacted someone about one Herbie Lowther, also an old shipmate and now also deceased.
I got this as a result of answering a posting from another Herbie Lowther, who turned out to be H L Snr's son. Strange how old acquaintances crop up from casual encounters.
No knowledge of Dave's brother Reg, also an old sea dog, who did a bit of truck (lorry) driving for Kettlewells between trips. Can you shed any light on this Tony?
How about you Hamish? Herbie was a good bit older than I was, no disrespect intended, so maybe he was sculling around Goole at the same time as you. Just thought I'd ask.
That's all for now guys, I'm 'watch below' now. G'night!
Posted by Tony Clyne at 15/04/2016 11:57
Hi Gary and Hamish, just when I thought we had run out of things to say you come up with this list. The Hoggards and Lowthers all belong here in Eastrington where I am, Dave and Reg`s parents lived across the road from us and my wife did meals on wheels with Mrs Hoggard. Reg died quite a long time ago here in the village, I first got to know him when he was a diver in the R.N. he used to help my dad a bit when he was home. Dave lived in Howden, I used to see him now and then when he brought his dog here for a walk on the old railway, as I said in earlier postings I shared a cabin with Dave on W.Abbey and took him and Tommy W. to Brid for a weekend in a caravan. I know Herbie Lowther who you were talking to, I was under the impression that it was his G. Father who was at sea, how much older than you would Herbie Snr. be and do you know if he was bosun on the Seaford, I see young Herbie now and then, I`ll see what more I can find out next time I see him. Well that`s all for now if I get any more info I`ll let you know, off watch now T.C.
Posted by Gary Worton at 19/04/2016 15:13
Here we are again Tony and co. I'm sending this from sunny Florida. Kissimmee, just south of Orlando to be precise. We are just gearing up to go to Universal Studios (I'm almost Harry Pottered out) Grandkids!!! Anyway, back to business regarding our latest postings. The Herbie Lowther I sailed with had maybe 20 years on me and I was about 20 when I was first on the Byland Abbey. That would have put Herbie around 40ish at the time. About being bo's'n elsewhere, I haven't a clue. Anyway, I have to run so I'll pick up later.
See ya later!
Posted by Hamish at 25/04/2016 22:44
Ahoy Tony he was not bosun on the Seaford up untill the time I was on her, 1954ish the old bosun had been on her since new, his name escapes me but he was from the western islands,along with Captain Stark, and I think the chief steward and one old AB (also from Stornaway)had also been there since new,she was a happy little ship tho always ran to the gas station at Shoreham(once one got used to the idiosyncrasies of the lads)
Posted by Gary Worton at 27/06/2016 01:12
Ahoy me hearties, just thought I'd shake up the old bag, as it were. Nothing of real value to contribute at this time, except to say that we are all still the right side of the grass as of now. We are enjoying some nice seasonal weather right now in Southern Ontario. The pool is warm and the beer is cool; what more can we ask for? I note with interest that GB has opted to pull out of the EEC. I am in full agreement with that decision, although I did not have a vote. Hamish may not agree with me, as the Scottish people (notably the SNP) are not 100% behind it. I'm sure he will have his own opinion on this issue though. Hope to hear from you guys in due course. 'S'all for now folks.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 27/06/2016 10:48
Hi Gary Lucky you,warm pool and cool beer.sounds like the right mix. You may have seen he reaction of the Brixham and Hull fishermen. now they have a possibility of no longer sharing our waters also the fact that they no longer have to through good food away when exceeding their quota. If the Scots are allowed to stay in the EU.will the Scottish fishermen still suffer these rules?
Food for thought
Posted by Keith at 29/06/2016 05:34
Called at the Waterways Museum for a look at the new ' Goole Shipyard ' exhibits, bit disappointing really. I thought more info on Goole built ships should have been shown. Anyone else any thoughts on this ?
Posted by Corby Bunting at 29/06/2016 11:53
Hi Keith Like you I am disappointed with the Waterways Museum I visited it last year with my extended family to show them around.There were so many things wrong and run down .Poor old Brian Masterman, sat in his boat looking at his hands with the newpaper missing!! I know, trivial. But the whole aspect has changed.I asked the person running it if George Smith had been in lately. He had no idea who I was talking about. George was a staunch supporter for many years. Working there for many hours for free. I think people like George Smith, George Robinson, Enid Thompson and Rachel are a great loss to the place. People with knowledge. I am not knocking the volenteers who help out there. They are simply doing what is asked
Posted by Gary Worton at 16/07/2016 01:04
Hi again guys (and gals if applicable); Not too much happening by all accounts. Me and the clan are just back from a week in Florida. The Orange Lake Resort in Kissimmee, just south of Orlando. Brilliant. Lots of Brits there too, so there's money still to be had in the old country.
Back to business at hand. Regarding the Waterways Museum, it's a place I've never even thought of visiting on my previous trips to Goole (last time about five years ago) but I'll certainly try and make it on my next trip, if the good Lord's willing and the creek don't rise.
My only contact with any of my old shipmates was in Wetherspoons pub. Dennis McKone (Kirkham Abbey) and Tom Waterland (Byland Abbey) were the only two I can recall meeting. Do you still get in there Tony? I would appreciate an update on these guys, or any others who were around at the time.
That's all for now folks. Hope to hear from you in due course. Even the BC contingent.
Posted by Hamish at 18/07/2016 23:33
Ahoy Lads! just thought I would add my two bits worth (Tuppence)re Gary and the EU.I am in full agreement with the pull out, and as for the SNP its just sour grapes, as May said Scotland had their vote in 2014 and voted to remain in the UK,so its tough titty now! And Corby is quite correct in his view about the fisheries,and with the drop in the pound Port Talbot steel just got discounted 10%, and I can see many more advantages to come. My reasoning in this was the loss of sovereignty to Britain, and the agenda of Brussels to form a "United States" of Europe with the capital being Brussels, they would make the laws and the other governments would be puppets, god forbid they would have Her Majesty in an old folks home real quick, with the rest of the royals on nine to five jobs (which might be a good thing(just kidding)) But having said all that I didn't have a vote anyway, so just beating my gums, but you'll catch my drift anyway. As far as the museum goes I thought back in my day thats what we were sailing in, museum pieces, the old Blyth, Aire, Don, cor they were antiques compared to some of the colliers around at the time,( not to mention the willy Cash) anyhoo take care lads , and keep bending your arms on free board day
Posted by Corby Bunting at 19/07/2016 06:40
Well said Hamish. For a man who now lives so far away from the problems over here. Your comments are very welcome. You have certainly kept your finger on the pulse on our problems.
Keep safe and God bless
Posted by Tony Clyne at 21/07/2016 11:26
Hi Gary sorry can`t give you an update on Dennis or Tom but I did see young H. Lowther yesterday, as I thought it was his G.Father who was at sea his father would be round our age. They were all called Herbert. If Hamish is in here as for being bosun on Seaford it would be around 1960 time. I won`t get into an argument over the Waterways Museum but a lot of work went into the Shipyard display and we can only show information that is available to us, it depends on whether people want to look at pictures or spend time reading, also it is only scheduled to be a temporary display. All for now T.C
Posted by Caroline Dixon at 09/09/2016 21:51
Hi Just wondering if any one can help, looking at my family tree my GGgrandad was on a boat called S Corea but the only boat i can find is the SS Corea are these both the same boat and if not what is the difference between one S and 2SS.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 09/09/2016 23:09
Hi Caroline foget the single S. SS stands for steam ship. T. C.

Posted by Hamish at 16/09/2016 23:30
Ahoy Caroline, The SS Corea was built in 1895 and weighed in at751 gross tons, she was a steamship as mentioned before, unfortunately she hit a mine while on passage from Boulogne to Goole, two miles north of the Cromer light on 8/12/1939 and sank, I have no info on the crew but will dig a little deeper and see what turns up cheers H
Posted by Transportman at 17/09/2016 09:44
Hi Hamish, Re Corea. 8 of her crew were lost; Captain Harry Needham (youngest captain to sail out of Goole); 1st mate Harry Watmough; AB James Hosking; chief engineer Hugh Miller; 2nd engineer Charles Wilson; donkeyman Arthur Harrison; firemen Robert Thornton and John William Thomlinson. Steward Amos Gates survived only to be killed on the Sparta 15 months later.
The Corea was also the first vessel to pass through Ocean Lock when it opened in 1938.
Posted by Hamish at 19/09/2016 21:23
Ahoy Transportman ! Thanks for the info, you beat me to the switch, I was just looking up the ship for the help of Caroline,(see previous post), she is looking up her family history altho she doesn't give a name and only asked about the ship, so maybe the names you have provided will help the girl. It is interesting that she was the first ship thu ocean locks, that name sure brings back memories, many a wet night spent warping round to that one, but would do it all again if given the chance, so cheers and take care H
Posted by Transportman at 20/09/2016 11:43
Hi Hamish & Caroline, I just saw your name Hamish and crew of Corea and thought I would help you out as I had the info. and you are always ready to help others. I didn't read previous posts. Like you say no name is given, which would be a big help. The survivors by the way were second mate Eric Hewarth; fireman J. Boxall; AB's Thomas Woodhead, Ernest Pantry, A. Dawson & James Wimsey; and steward Amos Gates (who also survived the sinking of the Burma in WW1). The Corea also took the new house flags, in May 1935, to Bennett's offices in Boulogne after the Board of Trade made them change the red cross & white background. John Bennett just substituded the white for a very pale buff, which looked white from a distance.
It wouldn't have gone down well with the Railway captains, being beaten to the lock as there was a bit of friction between them and John Bennett, who thought that they were given preferential treatment. Take care and reminisce having a full board day.
Posted by Hamish at 25/09/2016 22:48
Ahoy Transportman,being first at the locks brought back memories of my time in the Beeding, the skipper by the name of Surtees had a thing about getting out of the locks ahead of Everards Yellow Perils, they were so dam slow that if they got out first caused all kinds of strife in the river, so if he spotted one scheduled for the same tide as us he would move to the lock gates away ahead of time so as to beat them out, the railway boats always left first, which was ok because they were fast and didnt have to drop a pilot in Hull, but I have seen him so worked up if by chance we were stuck behind one, he would light his pipe put the spent match in his pocket, and throw the Swan Vestas box over the side, I swear he was close to a heart attack, but it didnt happen too often, as I say the wiley old bird would out maneuver them before the locks, a them were the days
Posted by Transportman at 13/10/2016 11:36
Hi Hamish & Gary, I thought I would just let you know that your old mate Billy Guy passed away Saturday 8 October, age 83. Regards Transportman.
Posted by Hamish at 13/10/2016 15:41
Thanks for the info TM I never sailed with Billy, but he and I had some wonderful times ashore in such places as Poole, Shoreham, and never to be forgotten Goole, He was a great Frankie Lane singer and would keep us entertained royally in Melodies and especially on full board days,I am deeply sorry to hear that news but I guess none of us live forever RIP Billy with a fair wind and following sea H
Posted by Gary Worton at 14/10/2016 00:46
Thanks for the message Transportman, albeit sad news indeed. I echo Hamish's comments. I never sailed with Billy either. He was working on the dock when I started sailing out of Goole, but I did share many a 'full board day' in his company. As you said Hamish, them were the days. Amen!
Posted by Martin Smith at 14/10/2016 14:46
FAO Tony Clyne et al,


I know you take an interest in AHL -just to let you know in this months Sea Breezes (October 16) pages 32-38 -in the regular "Ships we have forgotten to remember" slot is an article about AHL - some focus on the Bolton Abbey out of Hull - but also covers the Goole cargo ships with plenty of facts and pictures.

Posted by Gary Worton at 23/12/2016 02:02
Nothing seems to be happening on the site of late, so I'll take this opportunity to wish one and all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Hope to resume normal service in 2017. Ciao!
Posted by at 09/01/2017 22:36
Hi, I don't know if Tony Clune got to know why the Fountains Abbey had to put into Yarmouth, but the the mechanical fuel supply to the main engine broke down, and as I was one of the crew on watch, I was sent down to the engine room to man the manual fuel supply pump, and when it was my turn to take the wheel, the relief went on the pump, and that's how she limped in to Yarmouth, sorry I didn't see this post before, but its such a long time since I visited this site.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 01/02/2017 15:34
Barry K rebs. I believe we are of a similar age When you sailed on the Fountains Abbey you may heve known my Uncle Billy Ash als John Appleyard Both Engineers on her.Both at the same time on one trip
Posted by Gary Worton at 02/02/2017 12:50
Greetings from sunny Barbados, the late Pedro's old stomping ground. We are in Holetown, St James, quite close to where Pedro used to stay in St Michael, the next Parish, but I don't know the exact location. The place is so small that I must have passed right by his old place without knowing. Ah, well!
Anyway, weather is great and the rum punches plentyful so here's to you all, Cheers!
Posted by Corby Bunting at 11/04/2017 12:04
How on earth did this idiot is allowed to deface these pages.Once the key pages. Sacresanct to The ships and men who sailed them Please , whoever you are . Go away and show some respect.
Posted by Goolie-Gone at 12/04/2017 08:18
Well said, Corby. It seems that desperate, attention-seeking halfwits like this idiot can post freely, whilst other posts, like the last two under Goole Entertainment Memories still await approval after several weeks.
What is going on?
Posted by Bill at 12/04/2017 15:32
I share your sentiments Corby, but I wonder if these 'Pharm..' postings are from a real person or some kind of automatic scam. Either way it would be nice if they could be blocked - Webmaster?
Posted by Paul at 13/04/2017 16:45
Quite agree with the above comments. I recall there was a epidemic of similar posts in the last two years but perhaps not under this topic. I'm sure Stuart posted that they were being automatically generated and action was taken to stop which they did. Unfortunately back again.
Posted by Stuart (Webmaster) at 14/04/2017 15:45
Hi guys. Hopefully the spam is now cleared up a bit. The spam is automatically generated. The tricky bit is automatically blocking the spam without losing the genuine messages
Posted by Corby Bunting at 15/04/2017 10:35
Thank you Stuart for your explanation.I do now recall a similar glut of spam which you dealt with at the time.the thing is that I no longer visit this site as often as I once did.also I do not visit Goole as often as I should. i cannot see us now returning again.
Posted by Paul at 16/04/2017 18:30
Well done Stuart.
Posted by Brian at 19/05/2017 01:41
Sailed on the Lanky boats out of Gool,in the 50s.with Lofty Linninton,and his Brother Roy.Sorry to read of Loftys death.He was a great mate to sail with.
Posted by Gary Worton at 23/05/2017 03:38
Nice to see that the site has got back to some semblance of normality, thanks to the expertise of webmeister Stuart. I last posted in January of this year and then things started to go haywire. Anyway, shit happens, as the sayin goes! I remember the linnington bros. Brian. Pete and Roy (one of them went by the name of Cisco if memory serves) I do believe there was a third bro who I never met. This was probably Lofty, who was the eldest and the one to whom you refer. I may even have crossed paths with you during my maritime exploits, but I was a Johnny-come-lately. I didn't become a Goolie until the late '50s. Anyways, 's'all for now guys. Hope to hear from some of the old stalwarts now that things are buzzing again!
Posted by Brian at 26/05/2017 01:35
Got your comment re Brook Boats.We may have sailed together but
I canot recall your name.Cisco rings a bell though.
I was on the Lincolnbrook, Windsorbrook,Warwickbrook,and
Lancasterbrook,Devonbrook, in the middle 50s. remember Lofty,
Brother Roy,they where great mates to sail with.The cook was
from Goole but I cannot remember his name.
Posted by Bill at 27/05/2017 10:29
My Dad was from Goole and cook on the Lincolnbrook. But this was in 1950, so you'd need to be pretty old to remember him. He subsequently sailed out of Goole as cook on the Marlwood until 1953. His name was Joe Stewart.
Posted by pauline wheeler at 29/05/2017 17:36
looking for info on some ships which I have on a ww2 photograph(I don't know where it was taken) it shows 3 ships moored side by side the furthest one has Z90 on its bow and shows 3 uniformed navel ratings & and what I take to be merchant seamen on board, the middle ship also has either Z52 or 252 but is nearly obscured by the ship in the foreground which shows a number of merchant seamen watching about 9 members of what I take to be from a highland regiment playing the pipes and drums.
any help in identifying the said Z ships would be welcome
Posted by Brian Bacon at 30/05/2017 05:44
Looking back in my old records,I came across the name off the
cook on the Lancsterbrook as Ted Acaster, in the mid to late 50s.
I believe he was on the Lincolnbrook in 1955.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 30/05/2017 18:20
Hello Pauline The photos you have May be three captured German Destroyers(Zerstorer)? Hence the prefix Z. It seems like a possible celebration going on
Posted by pauline wheeler at 04/06/2017 19:03
Hi Corby Bunting thanks for the reply to my question about the Z90 & Z52 ships sorry to say the are not captured German destroyers you thought they might be. after spending nearly 2hrs in the local library on the internet and help from the library assistant(in what was supposed to be a family history research session) we did find out that bar class & net class boom defence vessels had Z prefixes H.M.S. Bownet (Z90) & H.M.S. Barcote (Z52)there was also a mention of a Boom Defence school in Rosyth so the photo might have been taken there hence the presence of Scottish pipers and drummers onboard
Posted by Corby Bunting at 05/06/2017 12:46
Hi Pauline. This shows the advantage of seeing photos The Bow rollers on these vessels would be a give away. As being Boom defense ships I have located both ships on Jane's Fighting Ships of WW2 But no where appears the prefix Z So, we live and learn.
I recall a Wheeler family in Brough Street
Posted by Gary Worton at 06/06/2017 16:52
Hi Bill: Sorry I'm a bit late with this reply to yours regarding your dad Joe. I never sailed with him but I think I mentioned before that I did work with him at Ferrybridge 'C' power station for B&W. I was a welder by this time, having got married and settled ashore. Cheers and bye for now.
Posted by pauline wheeler at 16/06/2017 20:03
Hi Corby Bunting the photo I have doesn't show the whole of the ships just the bows and back to what looks like the wheel house no sign of any bow rollers as on some of the photo's of bdv I've seen.( the ships in my photo look more like trawlers) As my dad did a few runs on the arctic convoys (PQ18) being on of them if the photo may have be taken at loch ewe or scapa flow as I have more photo's taken in those location's.
sorry but no relation to the Wheeler's in Brough Street my family connections to Goole are the Addy's most born in Knottingley and worked on the waterways or at sea then settled in Goole a number of them buried in Goole cemetery did have a posting a few years ago regarding Joe Addy (who married Reuben Chappell's sister) other connection's are the Farmery and Leighton families
Posted by Gary Worton at 25/06/2017 01:51
I recently learned that our old friend and one of the main contributors to this site, Hamish (Mackintosh) passed away on Dec 22 of last year, of an aortic aneurism. He last posted on this site 13/10/2016 regarding his old buddie Billy Guy, care of Transportman, so it happened only a couple of months after that.
This came via Hamish's wife Bonnie in BC Canada. I am sure any expressions of condolence would not go amiss.
There must be one heck of a full board day going on up there, with Hamish, Billy Guy and our old friend Pedro plus a few more.
I'm toasting them all now as I sit here pecking away. Cheers!
Posted by Transportman at 25/06/2017 10:22
Sorry to hear about Hamish Gary, he will be sadly missed by all. He helped me immensely in my Merchant Navy research, as he did others. I'm still sobering up from last night but am heading back to my bar and joining you in toasting Hamish.

It was only by chance that I saw your post as I don't bother looking on the site nowadays having been disillusioned by the idiots posting spam. Take care, here's to Hamish.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 25/06/2017 10:37
Hi Gary. I share your sorrow on hearing of the death of Hamish. born a Leeds man he certainly captured the hearts of the sea going Goole fraternity. With is many postings. I enjoyed the banter that went on between Pedro.yourself and he. I recall that you did not believe me when I announced the death of Pedro.It was such a shock to all i used tot converse with him direct as I did with Ed Pollard I was still sending emails to him for some months before his wife told me of his demise. I knew that Pedro was writing his memoirs. Possibly inspired after reading Joe Stewarts biography (a good read) I wonder how far he got and where is it now?
Take care and God bless Hamish
Posted by Corby Bunting at 25/06/2017 11:02
Hello Pauline thank you for your explanation of the photos that you have.Also your family connections My maternal line the Cook family sailed on Knottingley built vessels. Some marrying the families My wife's family the Halls also. Ron Gosney's books are well thumbed works on my bookshelf
The mere mention of the name Scapa Flo brings back memories of My brother joining the RN in 1936 His first ship being HMS Royal Oak He had later only just joined HMS Revenge when he heard the news that his first ship had been sank on her moorings!!
Posted by Simon O'Corra at 15/07/2017 07:31

Is it possible to find out what a ship's cargo would have been at any time?

Posted by Keith at 16/09/2017 14:38
Anyone heard of the " Maud Larson ? "
Posted by Corby Bunting at 17/09/2017 18:18
Hi Keith Do you mean SS Maud Larsen
Posted by Keith at 18/09/2017 08:31
Hi Corby, yes that's possibly the correct spelling. My wife's grandfather was the captain . Just wanted to know any info on this vessel , he was awarded with a medal for something during the war.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 19/09/2017 12:42
Hi Keith. I was hoping someone more knowledgeable than I would be able to answer your question
Al that I have is the captain of this ship in 1915 was a Captain Blackburn
Good Luck
Posted by Transportman at 19/09/2017 17:53
Hi Corby & Keith, As I said Corby I don't know much about the MAUDE LARSSEN, it only being around for just over two years. You don't say what your wife's grandfathers name was Keith.

The ship was built by Act. Ges. Neptun at Rostock in 1897, yard no 165. 1,222 grt and 960 nrt. Length 245.4ft; beam 35.5ft; depth to hold 15.2ft. The T3 cylinder engine was also built by Neptun. Cylinder diameter 16ins; 25.5ins and 42ins. stroke 31.5ins and 90 nhp. She was launched as the WILHELM BEHRENS for Podeus of Rostock. Sold in 1911 to F. W. Ritscher of Rostock without change of name. On Wednesday 8 August 1914 she was sighted by the British cruiser HMS GRAFTON, 7,350 tons, who was order to take the ship as a war prize. The GRAFTON fired a blank shell and the WILHELM BEHRENS stopped. After putting a crew on board RNR Lt. Muir sent her to Greenock.

The vessel was allocated by the Shipping Controller to managers Alfred Calvert and renamed MAUDE LARSSEN and placed on the British Register as 128886. She was initially under the command of Captain Albert Edward Blackburn and then James Greenwood (who died aboard the BROOMFLEET on a voyage from Norway).

Whilst on a voyage from Bagnali to Sevilla, in ballast. she was captured on Monday 27 November 1916 by U63 and scuttled with explosives, 22 miles WSW of Maritimo Island in position 37 59N; 11 .34E with no casualties. U63 was commanded by Kapt. Otto Schultz, born Sunday 11 May 1884 died Saturday 22 Jan 1966 in Hamburg. He rose to the rank of Kenteradmiral in 1931.
He commanded U63 from Saturday 11 March 1916 to Monday 27 August 1917 and again from Monday 15 October 1917 to Monday 24 December 1917. In which time he sank 53 merchant ships with a gross tonnage of 132,567; damaged 7 merchant ships with a gross tonnage of 28,753; sank 1 warship 5,250 tons and damaged 2 warships with a tonnage of 2,540 tons.
Posted by Keith at 20/09/2017 08:43
Hi Corby, Transportman,
Yes Captain Blackburn was my wife's grandfather. Thanks for the info Transportman, as I said earlier he was presented with a medal we thought it was something to do with Ireland.
Posted by Transportman at 20/09/2017 16:01
Hi Keith,

Sorry Keith, that should have read James Greenwood 1st master then Albert Edward Blackburn. So he may have been on her when she was sunk. Might explain the O.B.E.
Posted by Keith at 20/09/2017 18:21
Hi Transportman, if he was on it when it was sunk he did survive as he died at home. Do you know if the medal was OBE for definate?
Posted by Keith at 21/09/2017 09:25
Just found website Captains Table and all info found on there. Thanks for your help Corby and Transportman.
Posted by Transportman at 21/09/2017 10:50
Hi Keith,

All crew members survived when the ship was sunk. I recall seeing somewhere articles dated in the 1920's and again in the 1930's where he was referred to as Captain Albert Edward Blackburn O.B.E. I think he was also awarded the K. C. B. in the King's Birthday Honours 1941 as well. I don't know if you are aware that he was the first master of the s.s. GOOLE on her completion, maiden voyage Newcastle to London Friday 8 July 1904 until leaving Thursday 14 February 1907.

Quite a bit of info on Captains Table, some of which I contributed myself. But, it can be misleading, the individuals were not captain of all the ships listed against their names, in some cases cabin boy, and other ranks up to 1st mate.
Posted by Keith at 21/09/2017 11:00
Yes that website is certainly worth a look for Master Mariners associated with Goole
Posted by Gary Worton at 11/10/2017 01:24
Hi you guys;
Posted by Gary Worton at 11/10/2017 01:53
Hi you guys; I don't know what happened there. Those damn gremlins again!
Anyway, regarding the last few postings, how would I access the 'Captains Table' website? I would like to look up information about my late father-in-law, one Sid Raywood who started his seagoing career out of Goole way back when!
He went through WWII as a deckie on the Atlantic convoys, from Halifax, Nova Scotia to Russia. I recall him mentioning Archangel and Murmansk.
However, he later studied and got his Home Trade Master's ticket. He didn't sail out of Goole much as the ships he was on were a tad too big. One such ship was the 'Cliff Quaye' which was mainly out of Newcastle, but a collier none the less.
I recall my wife telling me that he used to take her and her sisters on the occasional trip when they were younger.
Many will probably remember Sid as the Landlord of the Peacock Hotel when he quit the sea, not forgetting ma-in-law Rosie.
That's how I came to meet his daughter Shirley, now my wife of 54 years (and still giving me shit) when I started sailing out of Goole back in the day!
Hope you can help me shipmates, 'sall for now. All the best to you all!
Posted by Keith at 11/10/2017 07:59
Hi Gary,
Try The Captains Table..the Goole experience
Posted by Transportman at 11/10/2017 13:44
Posted by Transportman at 11/10/2017 13:58
Posted by Transportman at 11/10/2017 14:04
Hi Gary,
Same problem as you. Get my e mail address off Stuart.
Posted by Keith at 19/11/2017 11:47
Hi Gary,
I cannot find a Raywood on the the Captains Table. Was he a Master Mariner?
Posted by Bill at 19/11/2017 13:31
Hi Gary, as you may have picked up from earlier postings I did some research on my Dad who also worked the North Atlantic convoys out of Halifax, Nova Scotia. The most helpful records were the Crew Lists and Log Books of his ship which, to the best of my knowledge, are still at the National Archive at Kew. But I was greatly assisted by the fact that I have my Dad's Certificate of Discharge documents which listed all the vessels and their registration numbers, dates of sailing etc. Not sure how easy it would be without such. In the process of my research I came into email contact with a German gentleman who was researching 'from the other direction' - his hometown in East Germany had sponsored the U boat that sank my Dad's ship!
Posted by Robert Ashton at 27/01/2018 16:36
I sailed out of Goole 8th April 1960 until 30th April 1962. I was EDH on the Broadhurst, Warwickbrook and the Lancing. I remember many time rushing from the station to join the outgoing vessel in the locks. Anybody out there around those times.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 28/01/2018 11:45
Hi Robert Ashton I was on Broadhurst and Lancing in earlly 60s Albert Smith was bosun on Broadhurst and E H Bilton skipper on Lancing with K Rurka (Charlie the Pole) and Arthur Mount 1st and 2nd mate Joe Cini (Maltese Joe) was bosun. Have a good read of past postings on this site you might recognise a few names Good luck T.C.
Posted by Caroline Dixon at 18/02/2018 15:29
Hi I need a bit of help, I have found a really old photo from my family and I would like to date it, the photo is of a family on a boat and the boats name is S S Leeds Sun - Hull any body know where I can find out more about this boat as the person in charge of steering could be my G G Greatfather.
Posted by Gary Worton at 24/12/2018 05:12
Greetings and salutations to all you GotW-ers, The 'ships' section mainly. I have not posted for quite some time now, so hello once again. I have to scratch my head at the last few posts but what the heck! I would just like to wish one and all a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Hope to hear from you again in the months to come and get the site going again. 'S all for now folks Enjoy the turkey.
Posted by Tony Clyne at 12/01/2019 21:06
Interesting stuff this pity ID 10t's and morons haven' t something better to do. If you get this post Gary I think the best way to communicate would be e-mail then again a sharp marlin spike might help. Catch you later T.C.
Posted by Keith at 14/01/2019 09:01
Totally agree Tony, they just spoil an interesting site.
Posted by Chris B at 05/05/2019 11:03
Hello Roger Potts (Post 20/11/2014)
I am also researching the sailmaking Carr family of Beverley Cottages, Goole. My great grandmother is the youngest daughter of Charles Carr’s 11 children and sister to Kate Carr your great grandmother. Charles Carr (2x great grand father) is the son of Stephen Carr (3xgg) and Mary Penrose, sailmaker of Knottingley and Goole. Stephen Carr is the first son of Charles Carr (4xgg) Sailmaker of Goole and then from 1793-4 Lock-Keeper of Selby. Charles had four sons and nine daughters, the first child Mary was baptised in1782 and the records name Charles as a Sailmaker. Stephen’s brother Charles moved down the waterways to Crown Point, Leeds and was a Rope and Sailmaker on The Calls, Leeds on the1851 census.
I am also related to George Kilner, (namesake of the boat you mentioned) glass bottle maker, of Thornhill Lees, Dewsbury (Kilner Jars). According to the web site George and Caleb Kilner had several boats registered at Goole. In 1883 the Ketch ‘Sir Garnet’ was fitted for sea by Mr Carr of Goole for George Kilner, Thornhill Lees. On the 1939 Register, I found two of Kate Carr’s brothers: James William Carr, Hull (retired–salemaker) and Charles Raddings Carr, Goole (Ship Chandler and Sailmakers).
If anyone has any information on the Sailmaking Carr Family or the Kilner family boats of Goole, I would be most grateful.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 28/05/2019 13:34
Hello chris B If you have read these pages . You may be aware of my interest in the howden Dyke shipbuilders, The Knottingley Ship bulders covered by Ron Gosney Also Goole builders who all used The Carr Sailmakers
My interest also covered the Hull Fleet of Sailing trawlers Largely owned by Richard Loram who introduced the vessel originaly from
Brixham Although he also owned Chandlies, Ice houses, slips etcrichards grand daughter Madge Loran married into my maternal family The Cooks I just wondered if these fine vessels were equipped with Carr sails
Posted by Tony Clyne at 01/06/2019 11:20
Well is this the Ships page back on line and no rubbish. Sorry to start a new posting with sad news but another old shipmate Tommy Acaster has dropped anchor for the last time R.I.P. TOM say hi to Ted for us. P.S. Your dad excelled Christmas Day 1963 on the Lancing in Portslade for me and my missus.
Posted by Keith at 06/06/2019 15:22
Yes RIP Tommy a really nice man.
Posted by Chris B at 11/06/2019 19:51
Hello Corbie, Sorry for the late reply. I'm afraid the information that I have of the Carr Family has come from ancestry, find my past and other websites local to the Goole area. I was hoping to gain a bit more information from the locals with an interest in the history of sailing boats of the past. I need to get myself a copy of Ron Gosney’s book ‘The Sailing Ships and Mariners of Knottingley’.
The post by Roger Potts mentions that Charles Carr was married to Sarah Raddings daughter of a John Raddings a mariner from Knottingley. The 1871 census records John as being master of the Goole registered boat the ‘Johns’. (1849 – ‘Johns’ Schooner, 69 tons Official No. 4701 registered Goole) from web site As far as I can make out the ‘Johns’ was a ‘Billy Boy’ involved in the coasting trade, sailing to ports between Goole and London, but also mainly between London and Antwerp and other low countries ports. Are you able to shed any light on John Raddings, the billy boy ‘Johns’ or his family?
Posted by Corby Bunting at 12/06/2019 14:37
Hello Chris B. All records of Goole and Knottingley vessels of that era are well recorded But very little of over thirty vessels built at Howden Dyke over twenty year period by John banks and William Caisley.
My interes is with the fact that Two Boat builders left Thorne Settled in Howden and worked on this project John Chester and Joseph Auckland( my GGGrand father) The latter went on to become a ship owner
Ron Gosney's book is well wort a read
Posted by Chris B at 12/06/2019 20:32
Hello Corbie, Its interesting to hear that the records are good for the Goole and knottingley vessels. I’m currently looking for the Raddings and their vessels through the shipping intelligence in Lloyds List and other papers, as they are registered going in and out of the Customs-House in London and other ports up and down the coast. Some of these snippets of information include the cargo and weather conditions, they seem to be constantly on the move.
If the vessels you are interested in are in the coastal trade and you know their names and the names of their captains, I could look out for them.
Posted by Corby Bunting at 13/06/2019 15:05
Hello Chris B
I have an account of A Barquentine The Golden Wedding from the Goole Times A stirring story. The ship was built by William Caisley at Howden Dyke for George Kilner of Goole
Fitted out by Charles Carr of Goole There comes a photo rom this story of her in Goole Docks.. Phot of an oil painting of Unity of Goole and details of one of two vesels named Sparkling Glance A complete list of all vessels built there
If you wish these details contact me on
Posted by Richard Wakefield at 10/07/2019 22:41
Posted by Richard Wakefield at 08/07/2019 22:00
Hi all
I was born in Old Goole in 1960. My mum was Betty Broderick.
I was trying to find an old family friend that used to visit from time to time during the 1960s.
His name was Walter and he was Polish and in the Merchant Navy, he was a lovely bloke but unfortunately I don’t have a last name and since my mum passed I never found out.
Would be truly grateful if anyone had any information on him. Shot in the dark but worth a try! Thanks Richard (Ricky) Wakfield😎
Posted by paul triggs at 29/08/2019 22:35
Not been on the site recently as my software protection kept telling me it was affected by phishing or something!!!! Hope it's sorted. Whilst on the internet being led off track came across a site and photo of a ship building yard at Hook The photo showed a capacity for the building/repair of 5 vessels between 1917-1926. Has anybody any further details of this?
Posted by Tony Clyne at 31/08/2019 17:49
Nothing there now, houses built on the site, it was down at the bottom end of Hook on the riverside just before the entrance to Hook Hall, we used to play around there when we were kids.
Posted by Keith at 03/09/2019 10:20
Yes Tony's correct, as I remember Cleveland petrol were down there as well.
Posted by Nicola Patterson at 28/11/2019 11:43
Hi I wonder if anyone can help and I know this is probably a long shot, I have been trying to find a ship named The William Maskill, this was a jointly owned ship by William Maskill & William Holdsworth from what I have I think the ship was decommissioned in 1901 in Goole, If any one has any information on the 2 owners or the ship I would be grateful.
Posted by Transportman at 28/11/2019 17:01
Hi, Nicola, Re schooner William Maskill e mail me on
Posted by Brian B at 21/12/2019 07:39
I remember a girl by the name Edith .I wonder if she is still aroud
Posted by Bill at 09/05/2020 12:25
Our street is holding it VE day street party. Amongst the bunting a neighbour has draped a full sized Red Ensign. Which pleases me greatly. As I've said before, people do not appreciate the scale of loss of the Merchant Navy. 25,864 crewmen on British ships were killed by enemy action - 46% of total crew. This death rate was higher than any in the armed forces.
Posted by michael at 13/07/2020 10:22
hi, i have 1893 east yorkshire steam shipping company letter heading press, and have been trying to find out about the company but can't see anything on google, nearest thing has been the goole steam shipping company. any info ?
Posted by Transportman at 14/07/2020 12:15
Hi Michael,
Have not been on this site for ages. Only think I can think of is Alexander Meek & Sons who were also Yorkshire Coal & Steam Shipping Company which were talen over by Goole Steam Shipping in the mid 1890's
Posted by Corby Bunting at 10/04/2021 19:24
Nice try Transportman But I'm afraid this site is done for. .no one seems to have the technology to deter unwanted guests
Posted by Keith at 11/04/2021 18:19
Too true Corby, they have just ruined the site. The persons that run the site don’t seem bothered.
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